Re: Releasing bullseye on 14 August 2021 [Was Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date]

2021-07-22 Thread Laura Arjona Reina
Hi all I'm also available, adding myself below: El 22 de julio de 2021 21:18:43 CEST, Paul Gevers escribió: >Hi all, > >Thanks to the reply from Ansgar, we now have a release date for >bullseye: 14 August. For the avoidance of doubt, this is *not* a >tentative date anymore. I'll do a proper

Releasing bullseye on 14 August 2021 [Was Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date]

2021-07-22 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi all, Thanks to the reply from Ansgar, we now have a release date for bullseye: 14 August. For the avoidance of doubt, this is *not* a tentative date anymore. I'll do a proper announcement later today or tomorrow evening. 14 August (day before DebCamp) RT: Adam Image: Steve,

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-07-21 Thread Ansgar
Hi, On Tue, 2021-07-20 at 22:35 +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > We currently don't have any day yet with all involved > teams comfortably present, the one coming closest is 4 September. > Somebody from ftp available on 14 august? That should be doable. Ansgar

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-07-20 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi all, Current overview to check if I got things right and to hopefully trigger more replies. We currently don't have any day yet with all involved teams comfortably present, the one coming closest is 4 September. Somebody from ftp available on 14 august? 14 August (day before DebCamp)

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-07-20 Thread Sebastian Ramacher
On 2021-07-17 22:25:17, Paul Gevers wrote: > Hi all, > > On 11-07-2021 21:11, Paul Gevers wrote: > > With less than three weeks to go until the tentative release date, I > > would love to confirm the date by now, but there is a serious issue with > > crucial infrastructure (cdbuilder.d.o). Apart

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-07-18 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16197 March 1977, Paul Gevers wrote: Albeit there is some progress, we think it better for the people involved to now say that we will *not* release on July 31. Unfortunately, that means that we have to start looking for a new date again. Assuming what we'll learn in the upcoming week or

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-07-18 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 22:25 +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > 14 August (day before DebCamp) > 21 August (last day of DebCamp) > RT: elbrus These both look OK. > 28 August (DebConf) > RT: elbrus That's a holiday weekend in the UK; I'll be visiting family and then the Debian UK BBQ. > 4

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-07-18 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:25:17PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > Hi all, > > On 11-07-2021 21:11, Paul Gevers wrote: > > With less than three weeks to go until the tentative release date, I > > would love to confirm the date by now, but there is a serious issue with > > crucial infrastructure

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-07-18 Thread Andy Simpkins
On 18/07/2021 00:24, Donald Norwood wrote: Hi! On 7/17/21 4:58 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:25:17PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: Hi all, On 11-07-2021 21:11, Paul Gevers wrote: With less than three weeks to go until the tentative release date, I would love to confirm

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-07-17 Thread Donald Norwood
Hi! On 7/17/21 4:58 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:25:17PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> On 11-07-2021 21:11, Paul Gevers wrote: >>> With less than three weeks to go until the tentative release date, I >>> would love to confirm the date by now, but there is a

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-07-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:25:17PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: >Hi all, > >On 11-07-2021 21:11, Paul Gevers wrote: >> With less than three weeks to go until the tentative release date, I >> would love to confirm the date by now, but there is a serious issue with >> crucial infrastructure

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-07-17 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi all, On 11-07-2021 21:11, Paul Gevers wrote: > With less than three weeks to go until the tentative release date, I > would love to confirm the date by now, but there is a serious issue with > crucial infrastructure (cdbuilder.d.o). Apart from this issue (and what > it means for solving the

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-07-11 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi all, On 08-06-2021 21:30, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Tue, Jun 08, 2021 at 08:50:55PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: >> 31 July: ** tentative ** release date > > Cool, works for me. Pencilled into my calendar now. :-) With less than three weeks to go until the tentative release date, I would love

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-06-08 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Jun 08, 2021 at 08:50:55PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > >So, if I did all the booking right (including updates from IRC) we now have: > >26 June > [Ansgar (ftp), Sebastian (release), Adam (release)] >3 July > [Ansgar (ftp), Paul (release), Adam (release)] >10 July > [Steve + Andy (CD),

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-06-08 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi all again, On 07-06-2021 23:08, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > On Mon, 2021-06-07 at 20:38 +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: >> Nevermind 10 July. Steve, you can stop contemplating about it. We'll >> go for 24 July as the *tentative* release date. > > Unfortunately I've just discovered that I was given the

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-06-07 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Mon, 2021-06-07 at 20:38 +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > Hi all, > > On 06-06-2021 20:03, Paul Gevers wrote: > > With the availability of Adam now known (and some off-list info), > > we have: > > [...] > > So, what to pick? We still believe that shorter freezes are better > > for > > the Debian

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-06-07 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi all, On 06-06-2021 20:03, Paul Gevers wrote: > With the availability of Adam now known (and some off-list info), we have: > > 26 June > [Ansgar (ftp), Sebastian (release), Adam (release)] > 3 July > [Ansgar (ftp), Paul (release), Adam (release)] > 10 July > [Steve (CD) MAYBE , Ansgar

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-06-06 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi all, On 04-06-2021 06:49, Paul Gevers wrote: > 26 June [Ansgar (ftp)] > 3 July[Ansgar (ftp), Sebastian (release), Paul (release)] > 10 July [Steve (CD) MAYBE , Ansgar (ftp), Paul (release)] > 17 July [Steve (CD), press, Ansgar (ftp), Paul (release)] > 24 July [Steve (CD), press,

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-06-04 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Sun, 2021-05-30 at 09:09 +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > 26 June > 3 July > 10 July > 17 July [Steve (CD), press] > 24 July [Steve (CD), press] > 31 July > 7 August > 14 August July 17th doesn't work well for me unfortunately*. The others currently all look OK, although I'd prefer not to do two

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-06-03 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi all, On 30-05-2021 09:09, Paul Gevers wrote: > 26 June > 3 July > 10 July > 17 July [Steve (CD), press] > 24 July [Steve (CD), press] > 31 July > 7 August > 14 August This can now be updated to: 26 June [Ansgar (ftp)] 3 July[Ansgar (ftp), Sebastian (release), Paul (release)] 10 July

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-06-02 Thread Sebastian Ramacher
On 2021-05-30 09:09:28 +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > [Press] > > Press can do both the 17th and the 24th. Perhaps we add an additional 3 > > dates? > > Yes, let's do that, so the list becomes: > > 26 June > 3 July > 10 July > 17 July [Steve (CD), press] > 24 July [Steve (CD), press] > 31 July > 7

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-06-01 Thread Ansgar
On Sun, 2021-05-30 at 09:09 +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > 26 June > 3 July > 10 July > 17 July [Steve (CD), press] > 24 July [Steve (CD), press] > 31 July > 7 August > 14 August Currently all of these are fine for me. Ansgar

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-05-30 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 09:09:28AM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: >On 30-05-2021 06:35, Donald Norwood wrote: >> On 5/29/21 9:12 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: >>> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 10:17:55PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: Assuming all goes well with RC2 and RC3, we'd be looking at the following

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-05-30 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi, On 30-05-2021 06:35, Donald Norwood wrote: > On 5/29/21 9:12 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 10:17:55PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: >>> Assuming all goes well >>> with RC2 and RC3, we'd be looking at the following candidate release dates: >>> >>> 26 June >>> 3 July >>> 10

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-05-29 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hey Paul! On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 10:17:55PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > >On 24-04-2021 00:41, Donald Norwood wrote: >> Indeed, from this and the last few posts in the discussion it reads that >> perhaps June is the better option for the 'timed' ready when ready >> release date. > >The progress

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-05-28 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi all, On 24-04-2021 00:41, Donald Norwood wrote: > Indeed, from this and the last few posts in the discussion it reads that > perhaps June is the better option for the 'timed' ready when ready > release date. The progress of fixing the blocking issues in the debian-installer is good enough to

Re: Tentative summary of the AMD/ATI/NVidia issue (was: Finding a tentative bullseye release date)

2021-04-26 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 25/04/21 at 11:04 +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > B) In the installer, detect that firmware-amd-graphics or > > firmware-misc-nonfree should be installed, and either install it (?), > > or redirect the user to the unofficial installer that includes them. > > That could be achieved for an

Re: Tentative summary of the AMD/ATI/NVidia issue (was: Finding a tentative bullseye release date)

2021-04-25 Thread Cyril Brulebois
[ cc+=-x@ ] Hi Lucas, Thanks for your summary, I'm not sure about every single detail, but it seems to be a good basis for discussion. I might point to it from our errata page (I didn't have a specific bug report when I wrote the most recent entries):

Re: Tentative summary of the AMD/ATI/NVidia issue (was: Finding a tentative bullseye release date)

2021-04-25 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Lucas Nussbaum wrote (Sat, 24 Apr 2021 11:30:03 +0200): > With Debian 10, the behaviour was that the installation succeeded > without installing firmware-* packages, and then, and the first boot, X > would start in a "degraded" mode (using, for example, the vesa driver). > The user would

Tentative summary of the AMD/ATI/NVidia issue (was: Finding a tentative bullseye release date)

2021-04-24 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 24/04/21 at 09:25 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote: > Hi, > > Cyril Brulebois wrote (Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:13:15 +0200): > > D-I Bullseye RC 1 was published a few hours ago. And at the risk of > > sounding like a broken record: I have *absolutely no guarantee* to > > have a fix or workaround for the

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-24 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Cyril Brulebois wrote (Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:13:15 +0200): > D-I Bullseye RC 1 was published a few hours ago. And at the risk of > sounding like a broken record: I have *absolutely no guarantee* to > have a fix or workaround for the amdgpu issue in less than a month, > that would be tested

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-23 Thread Donald Norwood
On 4/23/21 5:00 PM, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > I'm trusting the release team to block until d-i is ready, from what I > understand the date that they're trying to find in May is just a > tentative date. Would it also make sense to keep another tentative date > for June as a back-up? (I'm

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-23 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Cyril On 2021/04/23 22:30, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > No, I don't have any amdgpu hardware at the moment; but yes, I have > leader@'s checklist handy for when I can allocate some time to plan for > this. I suggest getting a standalone card and laptop (there are some really cheap ones with amd

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-23 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hi Paul, Paul Gevers (2021-04-23): > I hear you. So, I fear that we're getting into a situation where > everything except the installer is more or less ready for the bullseye > release. (Well assuming the shim is signed any time soon). > > > D-I Bullseye RC 1 was published a few hours ago. And

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-23 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 09:25:09PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > Hi Cyril, > > On 23-04-2021 15:13, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > >> Seems like our current best option is May 22 if you can make it. > > > > That's definitely not what I would call “best option” from an > > installer point of view. > > I

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-23 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi Cyril, On 23-04-2021 15:13, Cyril Brulebois wrote: >> Seems like our current best option is May 22 if you can make it. > > That's definitely not what I would call “best option” from an > installer point of view. I hear you. So, I fear that we're getting into a situation where everything

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-23 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hi, Paul Gevers (2021-04-21): > > We propose to aim for a release date in May. Would either of the > > following work for you and do you have any preference? > > - May 1 > > - May 8 > > - May 15 > > - May 22 > > - May 29 > > I've seen replies from Steve for CD, from Donald for Press and Cyril

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-23 Thread Mark Hymers
On Wed, 21, Apr, 2021 at 09:19:17PM +0200, Paul Gevers spoke thus.. > I've seen replies from Steve for CD, from Donald for Press and Cyril for > d-i. Can you please let us know if/when you're available? > May 1 CD, Press > May 8 CD, Press > May 15 CD > May 22 CD, Press > May 29 (CD) > > [d-i:

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-22 Thread Adam D. Barratt
[I'm quite behind on list mail in general, and tend to use the BTS for tracking / processing SRM work. Direct mail often works better than waiting for me to notice list mail] On Wed, 2021-04-21 at 21:19 +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > I've seen replies from Steve for CD, from Donald for Press and

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-21 Thread Ansgar
にゃあ! On Wed, 2021-04-21 at 21:19 +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > Can you please let us know if/when you're available? > May  1 CD, Press > May  8 CD, Press > May 15 CD > May 22 CD, Press > May 29 (CD) All should be fine for me. It's not like one can do much other interesting things currently.

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-21 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi ftpmasters, Adam, On 09-04-2021 20:47, Paul Gevers wrote: > Dear release team, ftpmasters, press team, cd team, d-i team, [...] > We propose to aim for a release date in May. Would either of the > following work for you and do you have any preference? > - May 1 > - May 8 > - May 15 > - May

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-21 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Holger Wansing wrote (Thu, 15 Apr 2021 23:07:43 +0200): > Hi, > > Holger Wansing wrote (Thu, 15 Apr 2021 19:38:34 +0200): > > > Ideally of course, you'd be able to test in unstable that > > > the solution actually works before we accept them in testing. Is that > > > feasible? > > > >

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-15 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Holger Wansing wrote (Thu, 15 Apr 2021 19:38:34 +0200): > > Ideally of course, you'd be able to test in unstable that > > the solution actually works before we accept them in testing. Is that > > feasible? > > Hmm, the installer installs tasksel from testing by default AFAIK, so that >

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-15 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Paul Gevers wrote (Thu, 15 Apr 2021 09:55:34 +0200): > Hi Holger, > > On 10-04-2021 18:14, Holger Wansing wrote: > >>> 2. A problem came up during freeze regarding input methods for several > >>>languages: > >>>Starting with bullseye, GNOME depends on ibus, which is not fully > >>>

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-15 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi Holger, On 10-04-2021 18:14, Holger Wansing wrote: >>> 2. A problem came up during freeze regarding input methods for several >>>languages: >>>Starting with bullseye, GNOME depends on ibus, which is not fully >>>compatible with the view of some language teams, who would like to

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-12 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Holger Wansing wrote (Sat, 10 Apr 2021 18:14:36 +0200): > That's not just my opinion, but sort of consensus of the involved people. > Going through the above mentioned thread shows that. > There are also alternatives mentioned, but they all have their disadvantages, > that's why the

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-11 Thread Holger Wansing
Am 10. April 2021 20:32:50 MESZ schrieb Ivo De Decker : >I went trough the list and unblocked all the translation updates. Let us >know if I missed anything. Looks good, many thanks. Holger Hi, -- Sent from /e/ OS on Fairphone3

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-10 Thread Ivo De Decker
Hi Holger, On 4/10/21 5:58 PM, Holger Wansing wrote: 1. https://d-i.debian.org/testing-summary.html It's of course additional work to file the unblock bugreports, but I would do that, if there are no objections. I went trough the list and unblocked all the translation updates. Let us

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-10 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Paul Gevers wrote (Sat, 10 Apr 2021 16:45:52 +0200): > Hi Holger, > > On 10-04-2021 12:59, Holger Wansing wrote: > > Maybe the release-team could look into the pending unblock issues for d-i > > in the meantime? > > Were unblock requests filed? If so, can you point me at them as I don't >

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-10 Thread Jacek Krysztofik
Hi, sob., 10 kwi 2021 o 13:18 Holger Wansing napisał(a): > Hi, > > Cyril Brulebois wrote (Sat, 10 Apr 2021 11:54:59 +0200): > > Hi, > > > > Paul Gevers (2021-04-09): > > > The Release Team believes that the state of bullseye is pretty good. > > > Yes, there are some blocking bugs [1] and d-i

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-10 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Cyril Brulebois wrote (Sat, 10 Apr 2021 17:07:54 +0200): > Paul Gevers (2021-04-10): > > On 10-04-2021 12:59, Holger Wansing wrote: > > > Maybe the release-team could look into the pending unblock issues > > > for d-i in the meantime? > > > > Were unblock requests filed? If so, can you

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-10 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Paul Gevers (2021-04-10): > On 10-04-2021 12:59, Holger Wansing wrote: > > Maybe the release-team could look into the pending unblock issues > > for d-i in the meantime? > > Were unblock requests filed? If so, can you point me at them as I > don't know which unblock requests you're talking

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-10 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi Holger, On 10-04-2021 12:59, Holger Wansing wrote: > Maybe the release-team could look into the pending unblock issues for d-i > in the meantime? Were unblock requests filed? If so, can you point me at them as I don't know which unblock requests you're talking about? If not, they don't appear

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-10 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Cyril Brulebois wrote (Sat, 10 Apr 2021 11:54:59 +0200): > Hi, > > Paul Gevers (2021-04-09): > > The Release Team believes that the state of bullseye is pretty good. > > Yes, there are some blocking bugs [1] and d-i and shim still need some > > love, but the state is much better than we

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-10 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hi, Paul Gevers (2021-04-09): > The Release Team believes that the state of bullseye is pretty good. > Yes, there are some blocking bugs [1] and d-i and shim still need some > love, but the state is much better than we remembered from the same > time in buster. As already explained, trying to

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-09 Thread Donald Norwood
Hello, everyone On 4/9/21 2:47 PM, Paul Gevers wrote: > Dear release team, ftpmasters, press team, cd team, d-i team, > > The Release Team believes that the state of bullseye is pretty good. > Yes, there are some blocking bugs [1] and d-i and shim still need some > love, but the state is much

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-09 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hey Paul and others! On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 08:47:21PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: >Dear release team, ftpmasters, press team, cd team, d-i team, > >The Release Team believes that the state of bullseye is pretty good. >Yes, there are some blocking bugs [1] and d-i and shim still need some >love,

Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-09 Thread Paul Gevers
Dear release team, ftpmasters, press team, cd team, d-i team, The Release Team believes that the state of bullseye is pretty good. Yes, there are some blocking bugs [1] and d-i and shim still need some love, but the state is much better than we remembered from the same time in buster. Last time