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Bug #794936 [src:installation-guide] installation-guide: claims it will use
"CD-ROM" as cover-term then doesn't
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Justin B Rye wrote:
> Holger Wansing wrote:
> > Thus we could change that to:
> > "If you are installing from DVD, any packages needed
> > during the installation should be present on the first DVD image. Use
> > of a network mirror is optional."
>
> Oh, so it turns
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrot:
> On 9/22/19 8:52 PM, Justin B Rye wrote:
>>> The origin of the word is Latin. The word is grammatically
>>> neutrum, for which the singular is "-um", the plural is "-a". It's
>>> not a mess at all.
>>
>> Etymology does not determine current grammatical behaviour.
On 9/22/19 8:52 PM, Justin B Rye wrote:
>> The origin of the word is Latin. The word is grammatically
>> neutrum, for which the singular is "-um", the plural is "-a". It's
>> not a mess at all.
>
> Etymology does not determine current grammatical behaviour.
Official dictionaries do, again, look
Holger Wansing wrote:
> Thus we could change that to:
> "If you are installing from DVD, any packages needed
> during the installation should be present on the first DVD image. Use
> of a network mirror is optional."
Oh, so it turns out I should have simplified it *more*! Yes, that
looks fine.
Hi,
I have applied nearly all of your suggestions, as in the patch attached.
Only one case remains open, see below.
Justin B Rye wrote:
> Justin B Rye wrote:
> > I was planning to carry on and find all the other places where fixes
> > are needed, but I'll have to come back to it.
>
> I had got
Justin B Rye wrote:
> I was planning to carry on and find all the other places where fixes
> are needed, but I'll have to come back to it.
I had got as far as:
(en/using-d-i/modules/apt-setup.xml:)
- If you do scan multiple CDs or DVDs, the installer will prompt you to
- exchange them when it
Holger Wansing writes:
> Hi,
>
> Nicholas D Steeves wrote:
>> Justin B Rye writes:
>>
>> > Holger Wansing wrote:
>> >> And they all need to covered here.
>> >> Maybe we cannot find a term that works perfectly for all of them, however
>> >> having a suitable coverterm for all would be the
Ben Hutchings writes:
> On Tue, 2019-09-10 at 20:21 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
[snip]
>
> I don't know exactly what cdrom-detect does, but it may still be
> specific to optical drives. In that case you could use more specific
> terms here, e.g. "The optical disc drive contains a disc which
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Justin B Rye wrote:
>> In English, "a medium" means a *category* of information-propagating
>> mechanism (such as radio or print), not one individual USB thumbdrive
>> or whatever.
>
> Not, it doesn't:
>
>>
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Justin B Rye wrote:
>> There are several related nouns here, which behave differently:
>> * "(broadcast) medium/media" (and "meejuh", treated as singular);
>> * "item of (removable storage) media/some media";
>> * "(spirit) medium/mediums".
>> Frankly it's
On 9/22/19 4:45 PM, Justin B Rye wrote:
> In English, "a medium" means a *category* of information-propagating
> mechanism (such as radio or print), not one individual USB thumbdrive
> or whatever.
Not, it doesn't:
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/recording-medium
>
On 9/18/19 12:27 AM, Justin B Rye wrote:
>> At least this dictionary still considers it "media" plural:
>
> Yes, and if you can find a case where the patch talks about putting a
> singular "media" in the drive, please point that out, because it'll be
> a mistake that needs to be fixed.
>
>>
Hi,
Justin B Rye wrote:
> (In en/appendix/chroot-install.xml:)
> - If you have a CD mounted at
> + If you have a installation medium mounted at
> /cdrom, you could substitute a file URL instead
> of the http URL: file:/cdrom/debian/
>
> In English, "a medium" means a *category*
Holger Wansing wrote:
>> This is a good solution for a problem that also affects the
>> Installation Guide, since it also lets you leapfrog over the old
>> problem of what cover-term to use for "CD/DVD/BluRay media" (the
>> Guide says that it's going to use "CD-ROM", then doesn't - #794936).
>
>
Hi,
Justin B Rye wrote:
> Holger Wansing wrote:
> > I would like to change the term "CD" into "installation medium" in the
> > debian-installer.
> > These days our CD/DVD images can also be used for USB sticks, and virtual
> > machines
> > are also quite common, so messages like "Loading
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Justin B Rye wrote:
>>> But "media" is a plural word, it should be "medium". It's a Latin word.
>>
>> Like "agenda"? It doesn't matter whether it was plural in Latin; it
>> only matters how it behaves in modern English. But as it happens, the
>> patch doesn't
On 9/18/19 12:00 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 9/17/19 11:43 PM, Holger Levsen wrote:
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:37:39PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Using "media" for a singular word just sounds weird for anyone knowing
Latin.
that's how many promille of the world
On 9/17/19 11:43 PM, Holger Levsen wrote:
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:37:39PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Using "media" for a singular word just sounds weird for anyone knowing
Latin.
that's how many promille of the world population?
also: using "handy" as a word for a mobile
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:37:39PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Using "media" for a singular word just sounds weird for anyone knowing
> Latin.
that's how many promille of the world population?
also: using "handy" as a word for a mobile phone sounds weird for anyone
knowing
On 9/15/19 8:50 PM, Justin B Rye wrote:
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
I will move back to "installation media" and to Justins review from
https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2019/09/msg00082.html
But "media" is a plural word, it should be "medium". It's a Latin word.
Like "agenda"? It doesn't
Hi,
Holger Wansing wrote:
> And given that most people were fine with this term in the first run
> (except of Ben), and there is no perfect choice in this case anyway,
> I will move back to "installation media" and to Justins review from
>
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
>> I will move back to "installation media" and to Justins review from
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2019/09/msg00082.html
>
> But "media" is a plural word, it should be "medium". It's a Latin word.
Like "agenda"? It doesn't matter whether it was plural in
On 9/15/19 7:54 AM, Holger Wansing wrote:
As far as I can tell "installation media" is the most commonly used term
(Eg: RedHat, SUSE, Microsoft, Apple). While it might not be the ideal
term, it's worth mentioning that idiosyncratic documentation may also
have a "risk" of this kind. My vote is
Hi,
Am Sonntag, 15. September 2019 schrieb David:
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 at 15:54, Holger Wansing wrote:
> >
> >
> > The corresponding patch is attached.
> > I will apply it shortly.
>
> Hi,
>
> For the benefit of a new contributor who would
> like to be more helpful to this team in future,
>
On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 at 15:54, Holger Wansing wrote:
>
>
> The corresponding patch is attached.
> I will apply it shortly.
Hi,
For the benefit of a new contributor who would
like to be more helpful to this team in future,
can you please advise:
1) where can be the master files be found.
2) what
Hi,
Nicholas D Steeves wrote:
> Justin B Rye writes:
>
> > Holger Wansing wrote:
> >> And they all need to covered here.
> >> Maybe we cannot find a term that works perfectly for all of them, however
> >> having a suitable coverterm for all would be the major goal.
> >
> > Contenders so far:
>
Justin B Rye wrote:
> How about if I go ahead and try producing a patch that uses both
> "installation image" and "installation disk", just to see how that
> looks?
Well, I can't for the life of me work out how to get "git diff" to
work on debian-installer, so here's a bodged version. It
Justin B Rye writes:
> Holger Wansing wrote:
>> And they all need to covered here.
>> Maybe we cannot find a term that works perfectly for all of them, however
>> having a suitable coverterm for all would be the major goal.
>
> Contenders so far:
> * "insert another medium", "insert more
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:18:00PM +0100, Justin B Rye wrote:
>Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> Ben Hutchings wrote:
>>> Holger Wansing wrote:
#: ../cdrom-detect.templates:14001
-msgid "The CD-ROM drive contains a CD which cannot be used for
installation."
+msgid "The detected
Ben Hutchings wrote:
>> The only alternative I can think of (from Justin's list)
>> would be installation image.
>> Additional benefit would be, that this term seems to be the
>> most used on the Debian website.
>> So if users know that term from the website or find it there, they can make
>>
Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Ben Hutchings wrote:
>> Holger Wansing wrote:
>>> #: ../cdrom-detect.templates:14001
>>> -msgid "The CD-ROM drive contains a CD which cannot be used for
>>> installation."
>>> +msgid "The detected installation drive cannot be used for installation."
>>> msgstr ""
>>[...]
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 09:40:59PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>On Thu, 2019-09-12 at 19:08 +, Holger Wansing wrote:
>[...]
>> So installation disk would be fine.
>>
>> The only alternative I can think of (from Justin's list)
>> would be installation image.
>> Additional benefit would be,
On Thu, 2019-09-12 at 19:08 +, Holger Wansing wrote:
[...]
> So installation disk would be fine.
>
> The only alternative I can think of (from Justin's list)
> would be installation image.
> Additional benefit would be, that this term seems to be the
> most used on the Debian website.
> So
Hi,
Am Mittwoch, 11. September 2019 schrieb Steve McIntyre:
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 03:57:00PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> >On Tue, 2019-09-10 at 20:21 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
> >[...]
> >> Again another thought:
> >>
> >> When we talk about an "installation disk":
> >> Is it clear
On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 03:57:00PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>On Tue, 2019-09-10 at 20:21 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
>[...]
>> Again another thought:
>>
>> When we talk about an "installation disk":
>> Is it clear enough, that we mean the disk where we install *from* ?
>> This could likely
On Tue, 2019-09-10 at 20:21 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
[...]
> Again another thought:
>
> When we talk about an "installation disk":
> Is it clear enough, that we mean the disk where we install *from* ?
> This could likely be mixed up with the disk where we install *to* , right?
I think this
Hi,
Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 04:56:45PM +, Holger Wansing wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >Am Dienstag, 10. September 2019 schrieb Steve McIntyre:
> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 05:19:38PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
> >> >
> >> >I wonder if this works for cases, where the
Holger Wansing wrote:
> And they all need to covered here.
> Maybe we cannot find a term that works perfectly for all of them, however
> having a suitable coverterm for all would be the major goal.
Contenders so far:
* "insert another medium", "insert more media", and "insert another
item of
On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 04:56:45PM +, Holger Wansing wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Am Dienstag, 10. September 2019 schrieb Steve McIntyre:
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 05:19:38PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
>> >
>> >I wonder if this works for cases, where the installation medium is a
>> >CD or DVD?
>> >
>>
Hi,
Am Dienstag, 10. September 2019 schrieb Steve McIntyre:
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 05:19:38PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
> >
> >I wonder if this works for cases, where the installation medium is a
> >CD or DVD?
> >
> >Do people know what is meant, when you talk about the CD as an
>
On 9/10/19 5:19 PM, Holger Wansing wrote:
That seems like a reasonable idea but I strongly prefer "installation device".
I have not looked up the reason, but "installer device" sounds very jarring
to me as an English English first-language speaker.
I wonder if this works for cases, where the
Hi,
David wrote:
> These words "medium" & "media" are very awkward for a few reasons:
>
> 1) Contemporary use of the words is such that their "correct" use might
> be evolving. So attempting to use these words correctly is annoying and
> clumsy.
>
> 2) The majority current use of these words
On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 05:19:38PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
>
>I wonder if this works for cases, where the installation medium is a
>CD or DVD?
>
>Do people know what is meant, when you talk about the CD as an
>"installation device"? Is a CD (the optical disc, not the device
>file under
Hi,
MJ Ray wrote:
>
>
> Tue Sep 10 03:54:12 GMT+01:00 2019 David :
> > For these reasons, I offer a bold suggestion:
> >
> > Work towards eliminating the words "media" and "medium" everywhere,
> > except where they cannot be avoided.
> >
> > Prefer words like "installer device" or
David wrote:
> Hi readers
Hi! Thanks a lot for this alternative suggestion.
[...]
> These words "medium" & "media" are very awkward for a few reasons:
>
> 1) Contemporary use of the words is such that their "correct" use might
> be evolving. So attempting to use these words correctly is
Tue Sep 10 03:54:12 GMT+01:00 2019 David :
> For these reasons, I offer a bold suggestion:
>
> Work towards eliminating the words "media" and "medium" everywhere,
> except where they cannot be avoided.
>
> Prefer words like "installer device" or "installation device"
> wherever possible,
On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 08:36, Justin B Rye wrote:
> Holger Wansing wrote:
> > I would like to change the term "CD" into "installation medium" in the
> > debian-installer.
> > These days our CD/DVD images can also be used for USB sticks, and virtual
> > machines
> > are also quite common, so
Holger Wansing wrote:
> I would like to change the term "CD" into "installation medium" in the
> debian-installer.
> These days our CD/DVD images can also be used for USB sticks, and virtual
> machines
> are also quite common, so messages like "Loading components from CD" no
> longer fit.
This
[Adding debian-l10n-english to the loop]
Hi,
I would like to change the term "CD" into "installation medium" in the
debian-installer.
These days our CD/DVD images can also be used for USB sticks, and virtual
machines
are also quite common, so messages like "Loading components from CD" no
On Sun, Sep 08, 2019 at 02:49:27PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Moreover, it seems better to completely leave out the "remove mention of
>floppy" topic from this patch proposal.
>(It has creeped in while working on the template changes, and first I voted
>that as a good idea, but now I
Hi,
Holger Wansing wrote:
> Am Samstag, 7. September 2019 schrieb Miguel Figueiredo:
> > Hi,
> >
> > #. Type: error
> > #. Description
> > #: ../save-logs.templates:8001
> > -msgid "Failed to mount the floppy"
> > +msgid "Failed to mount the removable medium"
> > msgstr ""
> >
> >
> >
Hi,
Am Samstag, 7. September 2019 schrieb Miguel Figueiredo:
> Hi,
>
> #. Type: error
> #. Description
> #: ../save-logs.templates:8001
> -msgid "Failed to mount the floppy"
> +msgid "Failed to mount the removable medium"
> msgstr ""
>
>
> if floppies are no longer supported could be
Hi,
#. Type: error
#. Description
#: ../save-logs.templates:8001
-msgid "Failed to mount the floppy"
+msgid "Failed to mount the removable medium"
msgstr ""
if floppies are no longer supported could be better to keep them until
messages/code gets cleaned.
On 07/09/19 12:37, Holger
Hi,
Holger Wansing wrote:
> Am Montag, 26. August 2019 schrieb Ben Hutchings:
> > On Sun, 2019-08-25 at 22:12 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > during the now active development cycle, I would like to make some
> > > changes on
> > > templates of the installer (affecting
Hi,
Am Montag, 26. August 2019 schrieb Ben Hutchings:
> On Sun, 2019-08-25 at 22:12 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > during the now active development cycle, I would like to make some changes
> > on
> > templates of the installer (affecting translations as well, of course):
> >
>
On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 10:18:34PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Holger Wansing, le dim. 25 août 2019 22:12:57 +0200, a ecrit:
>> Change "CD" into "installation medium"
>
>More generally, our usage of "CD" confuses people, and people tend to
>think that our ISO images don't work on USB
On Sun, 2019-08-25 at 22:12 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
> Hi,
>
> during the now active development cycle, I would like to make some changes on
> templates of the installer (affecting translations as well, of course):
>
>
> Change "CD" into "installation medium"
> (such as in "Loading
On Sun 25 Aug 2019 at 22:18:34 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Holger Wansing, le dim. 25 août 2019 22:12:57 +0200, a ecrit:
> > Change "CD" into "installation medium"
>
> More generally, our usage of "CD" confuses people, and people tend to
> think that our ISO images don't work on
Hello,
Holger Wansing, le dim. 25 août 2019 22:12:57 +0200, a ecrit:
> Change "CD" into "installation medium"
More generally, our usage of "CD" confuses people, and people tend to
think that our ISO images don't work on USB sticks, so I'm all for
getting rid of "CD" naming in general :)
Samuel
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