On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 03:05:22PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Colin Watson wrote:
I think we should stop asking this question entirely. Hardly anyone
really needs anything other than pc105, except for the Brazilian and
Japanese cases that can be derived automatically
On Monday 29 June 2009, Colin Watson wrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 03:05:22PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Colin Watson wrote:
I think we should stop asking this question entirely. Hardly anyone
really needs anything other than pc105, except for the Brazilian
and
Console-setup changed a lot since the long mail of Frans Pop. I will
make an upload as soon as the current package migrates to testing. In
the following I am summarizing some of the changes.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 05:59:02PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
Size impact
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1. The
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:55:28PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
But I think it is preferable to configure the keyboard of the host even
if its keyboard is not used during the installation.
I wrote this about installs on serial console, not about UML installs.
Anton Zinoviev
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To
On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:55:28PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
But I think it is preferable to configure the keyboard of the host
even if its keyboard is not used during the installation.
I wrote this about installs on serial console, not about
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 06:03:21PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:55:28PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
But I think it is preferable to configure the keyboard of the host
even if its keyboard is not used during the
On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 06:03:21PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:55:28PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
But I think it is preferable to configure the keyboard of the
host
On Monday 29 June 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 06:03:21PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:55:28PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
But I think it is
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 07:32:39PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
Should I add one additional question or preseeding is enough?
No, you need to implement automatic detection for this case.
Please see kbd-chooser.c. It's not all that hard to find the code, nor
should it be all that hard to
On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
I have some questions:
1. Can console-setup-udeb expect that /proc is mounted? Is there some
dependency about this?
/proc is guaranteed to be mounted in D-I.
2. Can console-setup-udeb expect that /proc/bus/usb is mounted? Is
there some
On Monday 29 June 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
2. Can console-setup-udeb expect that /proc/bus/usb is mounted? Is
there some dependency about this?
For 2.6.29 and 2.6.30 you can't depend on it being mounted. See
usb-kbd.c in kbd-chooser; again the
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
I have no idea what the difference between Netherlands and
Netherlands - Standard is. Such problems have to be reported
upstream.
There are a fair number of differences between those two variants in
/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nl,
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
Eh, I *am* an NL person... I thought I'd already made my comments clear
and explained the Dutch situation. Both in this thread and the BR from
Kurt about Altgr (#524235).
1) Some time ago I set the default in c-s for NL to 'us' (r58049).
2) Origin as
Hello,
Frans Pop, le Sun 28 Jun 2009 09:09:20 +0200, a écrit :
http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21046
Could NL people comment on the bug?
Eh, I *am* an NL person...
I know.
I thought I'd already made my comments clear and explained the Dutch
situation.
I know the situation.
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
I know the situation. What I'm talking about is this:
3) Both Dutch keymaps and American English keymaps are in use, but
the Dutch ones are a relatively small minority.
4) If one of the variants currently listed under Netherlands really
is
Frans Pop, le Sun 28 Jun 2009 13:00:19 +0200, a écrit :
BTW, I would expect there are people in NL using Dvorak, but it's not
being offered as a choice there...
Because xkb doesn't have that layout.
5) Dutch people very much *do* still type accented characters.
ERrr, really? That's not
Samuel Thibault, le Sun 28 Jun 2009 11:59:26 +0200, a écrit :
Another way I had thought about would be to first show a list of all
the keyboards known to be used by the combination of country/language
given at the localechooser stage,
Note: there is enough information in xkb-data to achieve
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Frans Pop, le Sun 28 Jun 2009 13:00:19 +0200, a ?crit :
BTW, I would expect there are people in NL using Dvorak, but it's not
being offered as a choice there...
Because xkb doesn't have that layout.
Do you mean that xkb has a _separate_ layout
On Sunday 28 June 2009, you wrote:
Now _that_ I could understand. The origin question should really only
be displayed if someone chooses other from the country-specific
variant list.
But even then I find the origin prompt confusing, especially because
people are used to selecting a layout
(resending for proper threading)
On Sunday 28 June 2009, you wrote:
Now _that_ I could understand. The origin question should really only
be displayed if someone chooses other from the country-specific
variant list.
But even then I find the origin prompt confusing, especially because
people
Frans Pop, le Sun 28 Jun 2009 13:45:33 +0200, a écrit :
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Frans Pop, le Sun 28 Jun 2009 13:00:19 +0200, a ?crit :
BTW, I would expect there are people in NL using Dvorak, but it's not
being offered as a choice there...
Because xkb doesn't
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
In that case there really _should_ be a Netherlands - Dvorak layout
as well.
If someone could implement the dutch dvorak, sure. Remember that dvorak
is per-language. You can always use the english dvorak for Dutch, but
that's not efficient.
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Colin Watson wrote:
I think we should stop asking this question entirely. Hardly anyone
really needs anything other than pc105, except for the Brazilian and
Japanese cases that can be derived automatically from the keyboard
layout anyway.
How appropriate is pc105 as a
Frans Pop, le Sun 28 Jun 2009 14:36:25 +0200, a écrit :
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
In that case there really _should_ be a Netherlands - Dvorak layout
as well.
If someone could implement the dutch dvorak, sure. Remember that dvorak
is per-language. You can always
Quoting Frans Pop (elen...@planet.nl):
On Tuesday 02 June 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
One of the release goals of Debian Installer for squeeze is dropping
the use of console-data keyboard mappings, to replace them by
console-setup [1].
Here are (finally) the results of my tests. Sorry
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 01:00:19PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
I would just call it the American English layout versus the Dutch
layout. After all, that's what they are.
And you'd probably need to offer some additional choices:
- American English layout with € on 5 key
- American English layout
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 03:05:22PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Colin Watson wrote:
I think we should stop asking this question entirely. Hardly anyone
really needs anything other than pc105, except for the Brazilian and
Japanese cases that can be derived automatically
On Friday 26 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:40:12PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
1. Package size - impact on initrd size and memory usage
I suppose this is because of the way translations are currently
implemented. The keymaps of c-s require significantly less space
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:08:25PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
1. Package size - impact on initrd size and memory usage
Both the way they are implemented and the total number of strings.
[...]
It still leaves the problem that several mechanisms D-I won't work. One of
them is removal of
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 09:27:48PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:40:12PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
2. The totally insane /usr/share/c-s-mini/c-s.config file
-
With no disrespect intended to Anton or Samuel, but
Hello,
Colin Watson, le Sat 27 Jun 2009 23:57:54 +0100, a écrit :
If Netherlands is selected I get the layout question with:
Netherlands
Netherlands - Macintosh
Netherlands - Standard
Netherlands - Sun dead keys
OK, the last 3 should probably not be there, but
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:40:12PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
1. Package size - impact on initrd size and memory usage
I suppose this is because of the way translations are currently
implemented. The keymaps of c-s require significantly less space than
those of kbd-chooser.
2. The totally
Anton Zinoviev, le Fri 26 Jun 2009 21:27:48 +0300, a écrit :
Let's have a look (I hope I counted correctly):
1) keyboard model, ~150 options ... WTF?
I don't know.
They correspond to the variety of keyboards with additional keys. For
instance, my Internet keyboard has a few navigation
Quoting Frans Pop (elen...@planet.nl):
Well, that's it. Kind of weird to have to spend most of the day to write
down what was found in 15 minutes of testing...
Just a quick comment (mostly because I'll be away for the week-end and
don't want to leave the impression that this big mail is
On Wednesday 24 June 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
The totally insane /usr/share/c-s-mini/c-s.config file
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The current solution seems to me to be a case of we didn't know how to
do it correctly, so we just took an easy way out. But maybe Samuel
On Tuesday 02 June 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
One of the release goals of Debian Installer for squeeze is dropping
the use of console-data keyboard mappings, to replace them by
console-setup [1].
Here are (finally) the results of my tests. Sorry for the delay; I will
explain the reason
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