Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-20 Thread Thomas Lange
> On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:30:06 -0500, lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart > Sorensen) said: > On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:26:58PM +0100, Thomas Lange wrote: >> > On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:56:35 +0100, Thomas Lange said: >> >> > JFTR, I

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-20 Thread Samuel Thibault
Lennart Sorensen, on lun. 20 nov. 2017 10:24:35 -0500, wrote: > On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 09:20:36PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > Implementing locale selection using a map also runs the risk of getting > > your software banned in countries that disagree with where you put the > > borders. > >

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:26:58PM +0100, Thomas Lange wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:56:35 +0100, Thomas Lange > > said: > > > JFTR, I just look at an openSuse Tumbleweed installation. They are > > using a world map for selecting the timezone.

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 09:20:36PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > Implementing locale selection using a map also runs the risk of getting > your software banned in countries that disagree with where you put the > borders. Also tricky in the non-gui installer, which at least some systems have to

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-20 Thread Philip Hands
On Sat, 18 Nov 2017, "Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)" wrote: > Hi Samuel > > On 18/11/2017 02:15, Samuel Thibault wrote: >> Put another way: I *don't* think we want to change this set of >> questions, we'd just lose users. Thus the other proposal, proposed right >> from the start

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 07:51:24PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Wouter Verhelst, on dim. 19 nov. 2017 19:27:16 +0100, wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 04:31:21PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > Wouter Verhelst, on dim. 19 nov. 2017 16:12:13 +0100, wrote: > > > > - That would require that

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-19 Thread Samuel Thibault
Wouter Verhelst, on dim. 19 nov. 2017 19:27:16 +0100, wrote: > On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 04:31:21PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Wouter Verhelst, on dim. 19 nov. 2017 16:12:13 +0100, wrote: > > > - That would require that at least part of the functionality that's > > > already implemented in

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 04:31:21PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Wouter Verhelst, on dim. 19 nov. 2017 16:12:13 +0100, wrote: > > - That would require that at least part of the functionality that's > > already implemented in the other udeb (e.g., asking for username etc) > > be duplicated

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-19 Thread Samuel Thibault
Wouter Verhelst, on dim. 19 nov. 2017 16:12:13 +0100, wrote: > - That would require that at least part of the functionality that's > already implemented in the other udeb (e.g., asking for username etc) > be duplicated into the proposed new udeb. That seems like a waste. But the idea was

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 03:15:08PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Hello, > > Wouter Verhelst, on dim. 19 nov. 2017 15:03:03 +0100, wrote: > > - Selecting a particular option in the overview screen causes the > > installer to configure the selected udeb, as though it was selected > > from the

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-19 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Wouter Verhelst, on dim. 19 nov. 2017 15:03:03 +0100, wrote: > - Selecting a particular option in the overview screen causes the > installer to configure the selected udeb, as though it was selected > from the main menu. Mmm, do we really need to actually configure the udeb? The way

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 01:17:47PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Wouter Verhelst, on jeu. 16 nov. 2017 12:53:16 +0100, wrote: [...] > > since, in essence, we'd just be providing an alternate UI to the same > > installer, people who need some of the more advanced options can ditch > > the

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-19 Thread Thomas Lange
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:56:35 +0100, Thomas Lange > said: > JFTR, I just look at an openSuse Tumbleweed installation. They are > using a world map for selecting the timezone. And Linux Mint is showing a world map with timezones, but no country

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-19 Thread Thomas Lange
JFTR, I just look at an openSuse Tumbleweed installation. They are using a world map for selecting the timezone. -- regards Thomas

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2017-11-18 at 22:55 +0100, Thomas Lange wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 21:20:36 +, Ben Hutchings > > > > > > said: > > > Implementing locale selection using a map also runs the risk of getting > > your software banned in countries that disagree

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-18 Thread Thomas Lange
> On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 21:20:36 +, Ben Hutchings > said: > Implementing locale selection using a map also runs the risk of getting > your software banned in countries that disagree with where you put the > borders. Is this risk theoretical or real?

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2017-11-18 at 13:50 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 01:15:22AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: [...] > > Among the ones I mentioned, > > > > - language/country/keyboard: we can't afford to omit them. > > If you _really_ want to do this (and I don't think it's

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-18 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 01:15:22AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Thomas Lange, on ven. 17 nov. 2017 19:20:09 +0100, wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 01:17:47PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > In Debian, using netinst, we have > > . > > . > > > and that's it. > > > > > > That's a bit more

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-18 Thread Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
Hi Samuel On 18/11/2017 02:15, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Put another way: I *don't* think we want to change this set of > questions, we'd just lose users. Thus the other proposal, proposed right > from the start of the thread: have *another* panel of questions really > meant for beginner, and that

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-17 Thread Samuel Thibault
Thomas Lange, on ven. 17 nov. 2017 19:20:09 +0100, wrote: > On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 01:17:47PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > In Debian, using netinst, we have > . > . > > and that's it. > > > > That's a bit more items, but not by so much. > No, that's a lot more than other installers. Please

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-17 Thread Thomas Lange
Hi list, On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 01:17:47PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > In Debian, using netinst, we have . . > and that's it. > > That's a bit more items, but not by so much. No, that's a lot more than other installers. IMO our installer is not for beginners, it's for advanced users and for

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-16 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > - First screen of the installer allows to select a language > - Second screen has three sections: "Localisation" (which has a button > for selecting the keyboard layout, one for language support allowing > to select additional languages, and

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-16 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 08:03:12PM +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: [calamaris] I recently found simple-cdd to be simple and awesome. I should really write that blog post I wanted to write about it. One day, hopefully. That said, I do agree with Wouter's basic assertion that we could

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-16 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 11/16/2017 07:03 PM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > Hi Wouter > > On 16/11/2017 13:53, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> At $DAYJOB I'm currently supporting a piece of software for which I >> provide binary packages for a number of distributions. As part of that, >> I find myself having to

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-16 Thread Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
Hi Wouter On 16/11/2017 13:53, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > At $DAYJOB I'm currently supporting a piece of software for which I > provide binary packages for a number of distributions. As part of that, > I find myself having to install a Fedora or CentOS VM occasionally. At my $DAYJOB(s) I work on

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 01:17:47PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Hello, > > Wouter Verhelst, on jeu. 16 nov. 2017 12:53:16 +0100, wrote: > > I can't help but notice that their current installer is extremely easy > > to use; and that, as compared to ours, it seems like a huge step > > forwards:

Re: Easier installer?

2017-11-16 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Wouter Verhelst, on jeu. 16 nov. 2017 12:53:16 +0100, wrote: > I can't help but notice that their current installer is extremely easy > to use; and that, as compared to ours, it seems like a huge step > forwards: > > - First screen of the installer allows to select a language > - Second

Easier installer?

2017-11-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi, At $DAYJOB I'm currently supporting a piece of software for which I provide binary packages for a number of distributions. As part of that, I find myself having to install a Fedora or CentOS VM occasionally. I can't help but notice that their current installer is extremely easy to use; and