> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes:
Yeah, but there's a significant factor that reduces things somewhat.
In the past, /etc/init.d/foo failing would often cause postinst to
break.
However, in the past, there were a lot of failures that were not
detected by the init.d script.
We
Package: nama
Version: 1.078-2
Severity: grave
Justification: renders package unusable
Whenever anything tries to generate chains, which happens so you can play or
record any sound, I get:
error caught while generating setup: Undefined subroutine called at /usr/share/p
>>>>> "Guillem" == Guillem Jover <guil...@debian.org> writes:
Guillem> Hi!
Guillem> On Mon, 2015-09-28 at 09:21:04 -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
>> >>>>> "Charles" == Charles Plessy <ple...@debian.org> writes:
> "Charles" == Charles Plessy writes:
Charles> Le Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 03:17:30PM +0200, Jakub Wilk a
Charles> écrit :
>> * Charles Plessy , 2015-09-24, 21:53: >-
>> : ~ (full stop, plus, hyphen, colon, >+
>> : ~ (full stop, plus,
>>>>> "Mathieu" == Mathieu Simon <mathieu.si...@simweb.ch> writes:
Mathieu> On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:04:42 -0400 Sam Hartman
<hartm...@debian.org> wrote:
>> control: tags -1 help
>>
>> The help I would reall
control: tags -1 help
The help I would really need is a copyright audit from a debian
developer.
I don't have time for that myself in the near future.
Yes, to be useful it really does need to be from an uploading debian
developer.:-(
>>>>> "Charles" == Charles Plessy <ple...@debian.org> writes:
Charles> Le Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:27:53AM -0400, Sam Hartman a
Charles> écrit :
>> Hi. I've been debating how to respond to the shall vs must
>> thing. The sho
Hi. I've been debating how to respond to the shall vs must thing. The
short answer is that there are reasons why you might prefer shall, but I
find that I'd rather say "must is good enough," than try and come up
with an articulate presentation of the energy which would conclude by
saying that if
A kdc = line is not enough for kadmin to find a server.
You need a admin_server (or I think master_kdc) line.
However, AD doesn't support kadmin, so even if you set up krb5.conf
you'll just get an error because it won't even listen on the right port.
--Sam
>>>>> "Ian" == Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:
Ian> j...@joshtriplett.org writes ("Bug#797533: New CTTE members"):
>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:57:59AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
>> > At that point, I'd
>>>>> "Ian" == Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:
Ian> Sam Hartman writes ("Re: Bug#797533: New CTTE members"):
>> For what it's worth I don't support this sort of automated stuff.
Ian> Um, I'm confused. I did
Could not follow your message enough to read. I may get back to it
later when I have more spoons.
> "Didier" == Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes:
Didier> Hi all, could we re-focus this discussion on what qualities
Didier> the current Technical Committee Members want to find in new
Didier> TC members, please?
My current thinking based on the input we got from TC
> "Josh" == Josh Triplett writes:
Josh> Assuming that the "often results in FD" holds true, and that
Josh> this doesn't encourage snap judgements, this seems like a very
Josh> good idea to me.
I think that except in very special circumstances coming to
> "josh" == josh writes:
josh> That's not a bad plan, actually. The three standard options
josh> could be, in effect, "preliminary injunction against the
josh> maintainer to avoid immediate harm, but we still need to talk
josh> about this more",
In preparing this CFV, I have made one change to option D: I replaced
encouage with encourage because I believe that fixes a typo.
I'd like to call for votes on the following resolution:
Whereas:
1. The Debian Policy Manual states (§9.6) that 'The Debian menu
package provides a
>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Hartman <hartm...@debian.org> writes:
Sam> In preparing this CFV, I have made one change to option D: I
Sam> replaced encouage with encourage because I believe that fixes a
Sam> typo.
Sam> I'd like to call for vote
> "Keith" == Keith Packard writes:
Keith> Do you think the reworded version is easier to understand in
Keith> the context of the overall process? That was my major concern
Keith> here.
I think a bit.
My big question is whether you think we'd still be able to
OK.
I'd really appreciate hearing from anyone now who needs more time before
a CFV.
> "Don" == Don Armstrong writes:
Don> I think attendance at meetings as well as participation in
Don> threads, drafting, and voting is a requirement.
Don> I think that this amounts to between 1-6 hours a month of work;
Don> hopefully towards the low end of
I'd like to have a discussion about what we want from TC members before
we make a call for nominations.
The biggest question I have is how much time do we expect TC members to
have available for the TC.
i think we've been having a lot of trouble that seems like it has a high
probability of being
> "Keith" == Keith Packard writes:
Keith> Thinking about this tonight, I've rewritten option D as AB +
Keith> patch.
Keith> As you can see, this makes packages shipping menu and
Keith> .desktop files for the same application buggy, makes all
Keith>
Steve == Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
Steve On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 09:13:33AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
If we adopt Keith's proposal without updating policy 9.6--we
retainIs the SHOULD have menu entries for all command line apps,
but move the metadata format
Nikolaus == Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes:
Nikolaus On Aug 29 2015, Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote:
Option D goes further. Option D requires that packages drop
their traditional menu entries if they ship .desktop files.
(That's done on a per-application
Nikolaus == Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes:
Nikolaus A. This comes very close to design work which the CTTE
Nikolaus should not be doing. If there's a conflict between two
Nikolaus crappy designs and the CTTE is asked to rule, then you
Nikolaus should pick the less crappy
Hi.
So, after working with Keith yesterday on his option, I think I have a
much better understanding of what the tradeoffs are.
I'd like to present these to the TC as we're about to vote.
I'm ignoring ballot option C (afirm the status quo) in this.
I'm also treating options A and B as the
Ian == Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
Ian Sam Hartman writes (Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and
Ian Consensus):
Having such serious objections that have not been adequately
considered means you don't have rough consensus at least in the
ways I
Ian, I'd like to encourage you to use less loaded words than destroy.
When I hear that term and disagree with your analysis, my emotional
reaction is strong enough that I stop reading.
Your term is loaded enough that you lose the opportunity to try and get
me to think about whether you are right.
Ian == Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
Hi.
I'd appreciate it if you would look at the restatement at the bottom and
help me make sure I'm understanding the technical implications of the
proposal we're considering.
I think I may be following what Ian's saying.
Ian I
Nikolaus == Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes:
Nikolaus On Aug 28 2015, Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
wrote:
Nikolaus [ things about the menu system ]
Nikolaus This really has become a farce. This issue been open for
Nikolaus more than a year. Sam rephrased
hi.
Keith and I hashed out proposed changes to option D on IRC.
Unless there are significant concerns raised by TC members, I plan to
call for votes on the following ballot next Tuesday.
Whereas:
1. The Debian Policy Manual states (§9.6) that 'The Debian menu
package provides a
I think that calling for a vote and knowingly dropping options from a
ballot actually harms the TC process.
It is a strategic technique that I think can change the outcome of the
process.
I think that strategy does more harm than good and I'd like to forbid
it.
However, I think that I trust the
Don == Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes:
While we're not overturning anything in the sense of an override
here, I think we owe an explanation for our actions, and I feel
really strongly about that.
Don Ideally the patch and its rationale should stand alone without
Don
Bdale == Bdale Garbee bd...@gag.com writes:
Bdale Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org writes:
I'm just sying having seen it used once I'd rather decide never
to go there again.
Bdale For what it's worth, I agree.
I'll note that for this to be fair we need to be able to push back
Don == Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes:
Don On Sun, 16 Aug 2015, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
What about just adding Keith's proposal to the ballot, and let
the Condorcet magic act?
Don This has sort of been my plan; I just have not had enough spare
Don cycles in the
Didier == Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes:
Didier Le lundi, 17 août 2015, 14.57:18 j'ai écrit :
Ian wrote a full GR proposal in
20996.60469.968631.307...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (
[636783_supermajority/propose-numberfix] in our git repository
and I've attached
I'm sorry.
I'm still not seeing a harm here.
I absolutely agree that setting a default realm to something unexpected
would be problematic.
However simply having a realm listed in krb5.conf doesn't have any
affect unless you try to use that realm. It's not like settind the
default URI for
David == David Magda david.ma...@oicr.on.ca writes:
David I own the domain magda.ca: can I get it added so that every
David Debian (and Ubuntu) install that uses Kerberos will have that
David domain in its krb5.conf?
David I have a couple of friends that also have domains, can
David == David Magda david.ma...@oicr.on.ca writes:
David Why are all of these domains in the default install of
David Debian? There are even bugs (621875, 587624) for updating
David people's domains: why?!
It's generally useful to have the domain-realm entries and if the realm
I deleted the backup metadata by hand from s3 and fsck and mount work
fine.
I realize that's not exactly a supported operation, but it seemed likely
to work and I think gives confidence that the only problem with the
patch seems to be with regard to old metadata carried forward.
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To
Unless someone objects
I propose that the following text also be included in option b:
Using its power under §6.1.5 to offer advice:
1. The Technical Committee suggests that the maintainers of the
Debian menu package support translating .desktop files of
packages which do not
Hi.
I attempted the following:
* Built with the patch applied on a jessie chroot
* installed s3ql
* On a wheezy system mkfs.s3ql, mount and add some data. unmount.
* On my patched jessie system run s3qladm upgrade
So far so good.
Then run fsck.s3ql.
It looks like it has trouble with the old
Charles == Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
Charles I made efforts to keep the wording mild, but I think that
Charles it was an error.
From your attiude as the lead person behind the Debian Menu, it
is clear that
Charles it has no future. For one decade, you have
Ian == Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
Ian Sam Hartman writes (Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and
I think the key area where we differ is that I would give
preference other things being mostly equal to upholding the work
done in debian-policy. As I
Ian == Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
Ian 1. The TC - not the policy process, not the policy editors, and
Ian not the consensus on debian-policy - has the ultimate
Ian responsibility to set technical policy. (Constitution 6.1(1))
Ian So in the TC the
Just as an FYI, I'm in Prague at an IETF meeting and that's taking up
most of my time, so it may be this weekend before I get a chance to try
your patch.
--Sam
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Josselin == Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
Josselin Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote: Bill, in his role
Josselin of policy editor said that he believed there was not a
Josselin consensus. He cited a specific set of messages that he
Josselin believes were
Bill == Bill Allombert ballo...@debian.org writes:
Bill On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:34:47AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
You said:
Hi. As a matter of fact finding. Russ's message, which Charles
sites implies to me that Russ was swamped and didn't have time to
do the commit
You said:
I think that what you wrote does not reflect what happened:
Charles - Russ gave me the green light for committing the changes, see
Charleshttps://lists.debian.org/debian-policy/2014/02/msg00068.html.
Only Policy
CharlesEditors can decide that a change will be committed,
Charles == Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
Charles Le Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 01:56:49PM +, Sam Hartman a
Charles écrit :
Bill == Bill Allombert ballo...@debian.org writes:
Charles Also, the question is not whether the FreeDesktop menu
Charles should be described
Nikolaus == Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes:
Nikolaus I agree. There shouldn't have been an s3ql package in
Nikolaus Wheezy. This was when I was young and inexperienced with
Nikolaus Debian packaging. However, the situation is different for
Nikolaus Jessie. Now that it is
Charles == Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
Charles Le Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 08:05:56AM +, Sam Hartman a
Charles écrit :
Bill, in his role of policy editor said that he believed there
was not a consensus.
Charles Hi Sam,
Charles I think that what you
Bill == Bill Allombert ballo...@debian.org writes:
Bill On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:08:04PM +, Sam Hartman wrote:
In March of 2014, Charles Plessy asked the Debian Technical
Committee to review one of the policy editors decisions to revert
changes to how policy talks about
package: s3ql
severity: grave
version: 2.11.1+dfsg-1
Justification: Renders filesystem unusable and data accessible
Hi.
I'm upgrading a system from wheezy to jessie.
Wheezy ships s3ql 1.11, jessie ships version 2.11.
I have a filesystem that I can easily mount and fsck in wheezy, but when
I try
Nikolaus == Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes:
Nikolaus I agree that this is unfortunate, but preserving backwards
Nikolaus compatibility over so many upstream versions just for
Nikolaus Debian wheezy users did not seem worth the time.
I totally understand that it's a lot of
of that, though. (Also, I
felt like the proposal was a good path forward, which doesn't make me a
particularly unbiased judge of consensus.)
Sam hartman
Speaking only for myself
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committed upstream, there will be a new upstream version 0.7.2 for this
within a day.
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You are copied on this message because you raised objections noted by
the policy editors during the discussion of menu policy or seconded the
proposal in #707851.
The TC is currently evaluating a request to review that proposal and the
process surrounding it.
If you seconded the proposal, I'd
Lisandro == Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer perezme...@gmail.com
writes:
Lisandro Hi Sam! A long time has passed since then and I should re
Lisandro read the full and extensive bug log to assert whatever you
Lisandro want to ask. But I can be sure on one thing: at the time
Don == Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes:
Don On Wed, 27 May 2015, Sam Hartman wrote:
Bdale == Bdale Garbee bd...@gag.com writes:
Bdale I hear you, I just don't have any idea what to do differently
Bdale on this specific issue in response to knowing how you feel
Bdale
I here-by call for a vote on the following text (option A); the other
option is FD.
I will be out much of the next two weeks so if the vote becomes
resolved I'd appreciate it if someone could step in and announce the
decision.
Background/Rationale:
1. In #750135, the Technical Committee was
Sam == Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org writes:
Sam I here-by call for a vote on the following text (option A); the
Sam other option is FD. I will be out much of the next two weeks
Sam so if the vote becomes resolved I'd appreciate it if someone
Sam could step in and announce
Kurt == Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be writes:
Kurt On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 09:19:07PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
[moving back to the bug, because we're starting to discuss the
issue rather than a TC communications matter.]
Bdale == Bdale Garbee bd...@gag.com writes
believe that they didn't have
consensus rather than just jumping to a conclusion.
I don't think we need to vote for that if we have internal rough
consensus, although I'd be fine voting on that if we wish to do so.
However:
Bdale Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org writes:
Bdale I really think
Emilio == Emilio Pozuelo Monfort po...@debian.org writes:
Emilio Control: severity -1 serious We want to remove libgee2 from
Emilio unstable RSN, and there are only a few rdeps now, so I'm
Emilio bumping the severity of the bugs.
For future reference, I don't think it's actually
Ah, and I see you did actually file the removal request, so yeah this is
RC under any evaluation.
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Didier == Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes:
Background/Rationale (Constitution 6.1.5):
1. In #750135, the Technical Committee was asked by Manuel
Fernandez Montecelo who should be the maintainer of the Aptitude
project. He had been actively committing until
Proposed for your consideration and checked into git for your editing:
Background/Rationale (Constitution 6.1(5)):
1. In #750135, the
technical committee was asked by Manuel Fernandez Montecelo who should
be the maintainer of the aptitude projectp. He had been actively committing
until his
I'm confused about this.
The krb5-kdc/debconf template is included in the krb5-kdc package, which
is a dependency of krb5-admin-server.
That should mean that krb5-kdc is configured (and thus the template
available) prior to krb5-admin-server.
Russ and ben, am I missing something here?
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It's my plan to close this as not a bug; Russ's explanation for how to
relax the permissions check seems entirely reasonable as a solution.
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Didier == Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes:
Didier Given the situation (an unresponsive Daniel, a proposal from
Didier people with powers to push the situation forward), I'd be
Didier more inclined to say yes to Christian, without a formal
Didier resolution.
Given
Michael == Michael Weiser m.wei...@science-computing.de writes:
Michael Hi, Mark and I have built and used our own local packages
Michael with this patch applied for some revisions now (at least
Michael -17, -18 and -19) and all seems fine. But it it is quite a
Michael hassle to
Russ == Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
Russ Ivan Baldo iba...@adinet.com.uy writes:
What should happen if installing a package and then when it tries
to start its service it fails?
Currently the most common behaviour seems to be that the
installation fails.
Having reviewed the policy team's process.txt document and having
reviewed Charles's comments, I'm much less sanguine when I think about
the approach for resolving the menu system discussion that we discussed
last Thursday.
Keith may well have an approach that improves over both the status
Dear Charles,
Last Thursday, the TC met. As part of that meeting we discussed
#741573. See the logs at
http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2015/debian-ctte.2015-03-26-18.59.log.html
.
Currently the plan is that Keith is going to propose some text within
the policy process that he
Of this already seems to have migrated into testing
On March 28, 2015 2:57:33 PM EDT, Niels Thykier ni...@thykier.net wrote:
Control: tags -1 confirmed moreinfo
On 2015-03-24 16:51, Sam Hartman wrote:
Package: release.debian.org
Severity: normal
User: release.debian@packages.debian.org
package: moonshot-gss-eap
version: 0.9.2-3
severity: grave
Whenever the last gss-eap security context is deleted, the gss-eap
mechanism shuts down openssl including freeing x_data, error strings,
and engines.
In practice this tends to mean that any other library in the same
process using openssl
package: moonshot-gss-eap
version: 0.9.2-3
severity: serious
justification: Broken interoperability with the UK's production Moonshot
infrastructure.
It turns out that despite code designed specifically to permit internal
white space in CA certificates in moonshot trust anchors, the length
check
systemd unit directories as optional, Closes: #780831
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krb5 (1.12.1+dfsg-18) unstable; urgency=high
* Import upstream patch for CVE-2014-5355, Closes: #778647
diff --git a/debian/krb5-admin-server.service b/debian/krb5
Don == Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes:
Don ===BEGIN
Don The Technical Committee recommends that Sam Hartman (hartmans)
Don be appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical
Don Committee.
Don A: Recommend to Appoint Sam Hartman (hartmans) B: Further
Don
Can you please reproduce with the 2.2.5 packages in Debian
testing/jessie?
I suspect this is likely fixed between 2.1.12 and 2.2.5 or has to do
with directory definitions in configs between distributions.
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I took the following steps:
1) create a new sid chroot.
2) apt-get update
3) apt-get install krb5-user
As part of 3 krb5-config got installed and because of my DNS I was
prompted to configure my krb5.conf. I entered the realm I was going to
create (EXAMPLE.COM) but
Do you see any differences in /etc/krb5.conf or /etc/krb5kdc/kdc.conf in
the successful vs unsuccessful situations?
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Is your realm actually called EXAMPLE.COM?
my guess is that somehow the realm in kdc.conf was incorrect and so that
stanza is not being used.
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Erik == Erik Haller erik.hal...@gmail.com writes:
Erik What is telling kadmind to use the /etc/krb5kdc directory?
Erik configure script? Because the /etc/krb5kdc/kdc.conf points -
Erik /var/lib and it runs just fine with the databases under
Erik /etc.
That's the big
Yeah, but the config file should override that.
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OK, so the default_realm in /etc/krb5.conf matches the realm in kdc.conf
and yet the kdc is not using /var/lib/krb5kdc.
Ben, any thoughts here?
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The database (principal and principal.*) live under /var/lib.
The ACL and stash file live in /etc/krb5kdc.
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+- CVE-2014-9422: kadmind incorrectly validates server principal name
+ - CVE-2014-9423: libgssrpc server applications leak uninitialized bytes
+
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krb5 (1.12.1+dfsg-16) unstable; urgency=medium
* Import
I'd recommend holding on on fixing this bug until we get freeradius 3
into the archive.
We'll still have some sort of problem for policy.d.
It may be worth bringing this up on the upstream development list.
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libverto (0.2.4-1) unstable; urgency=low
* Update to new upstream
diff --git a/src/verto-libev.c b/src/verto-libev.c
index 2eb08fc..9c7c324 100644
--- a/src/verto-libev.c
+++ b/src/verto-libev.c
@@ -106,7 +106,9
This looks simple and I'll put together a request. My understanding is
that unless we call this RC because it totally breaks libkrad, that I
need to file for a pre-approved change, and that such a change must be
approved by Jan 5.
I should be able to put together the unblock by Monday or so.
control: severity -1 important
It might be worth getting these two into jessie if the release team is
willing. I think pre-approved fixes are valid until KJanuary 5 and so
we should figure out how to get pre-approval if you agree.
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Thanks.
I found this post of your to be really thought-provoking and useful and
an example of the sort of discourse we should strive to when discussing
these issues.
I think the discussion of switching default inits in the future is
something to particularly consider.
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Ron I'd be kind of sad if that stopped being possible again for the
Ron final released version of Jessie, and we had to skip yet
Ron another release before being able to do this on Debian again.
Ron It may not be the best and final answer, but
Dimitri == Dimitri John Ledkov x...@debian.org writes:
Dimitri Comparing squeeze and jessies - have things regressed? if
Dimitri yes, how? As far as I expect, the way one uses debian
Dimitri source packaging to produce cross toolchains has not
Dimitri changed, nor has been
It belongs in krb5-kdc-ldap as with the krb5-kdc overried.
Really same structure.
I just missed the need when making that change.
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Didier == Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes:
Didier Systems cross-craded from Ubuntu to Debian are absolutely
Didier not supported, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the
Didier issues you're seeing are in some way related to this.
I've seen both these issues on pure
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