Bug#342200: argouml: Please advise
Hi Arnaud, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: Wolfgang Baer wrote: Hi all, Yo Wolfgang, Well, I am basically interested in argouml so I did a little research on the new upstream some time ago. The main problem is that they - don't ask me why - they started to use netbeans stuff for the uml model implementation. Because ocl is no more maintained for many years now and they are stick in UML 1.x. They still target UML 1.4 with the MDL stuff. The problem is that netbeans stuff is licensed under the SPL alone which with a quick google search is likely to be undistributable by debian. Strange, the SPL license is an official Open Source Initiative open license. That doesn't mean that it is DFSG free at all. Wolfgang -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#342200: argouml: Please advise
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wolfgang Baer wrote: Hi all, Yo Wolfgang, Well, I am basically interested in argouml so I did a little research on the new upstream some time ago. The main problem is that they - don't ask me why - they started to use netbeans stuff for the uml model implementation. Because ocl is no more maintained for many years now and they are stick in UML 1.x. The problem is that netbeans stuff is licensed under the SPL alone which with a quick google search is likely to be undistributable by debian. Strange, the SPL license is an official Open Source Initiative open license. I thought the problem was with the JMI library which is not re-distribuable, but it's only interfaces and I re-wrote it and packaged it: libgnujmi-java. So it could be possible to use the Netbeans stuff *without* the Sun's JMI stuff and replace it with the GNU JMI interfaces. So the first thing before a new upstream version will enter debian is to check if there is a clear status for the SPL with debian-legal. Thats something which still has to be done. And I have currently no time for some legal discussions. If SPL is free for Debian, we still have to do the split of MDR (the part of NetBeans they use in ArgoUML) (package it but without the Sun's JMI), change the dependency and cross our fingers ;-) Cheers, - -- .''`. : :' :rnaud `. `' `- Java Trap: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD8zKh4vzFZu62tMIRAqIQAJ0QwFAH2tUTTIpZ1OT9MJuVcXndMgCgkl09 3EfMm66YktSH6X8P4VXy0T8= =iBJI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#342200: argouml: Please advise
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Koch wrote: Hello, On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 10:44:08PM -0300, Javier Kohen wrote: Could you please share with us the reasons for not closing this bug, in other words, why we don't yet have the latest version of ArgoUML in Debian? Namely, is it because of personal reasons, lack of motivation, etc., or because said version has known fatal bugs? Arccording to http://wiki.debian.org/Java/ShouldGoToMain argouml doesnt run with free Java runtimes yet. This lowers the motivation for working it a lot. We want to move all Java packages to the Debian main section. this can only be done when a package can be built and run with purely free software. To help with this you can e.g. test argouml with free runtimes and report bugs to upstream so they can fix it. then when these fixes enter Debian we can reconsider argouml and update it. This is one reason, another one is __time__! I have a lot of work at the moment and packaging ArgoUML is not an easy task. I'll try to resolve the ArgoUML bugs asap, but I'm full at the moment. Thanks for your comprehension, - -- .''`. : :' :rnaud `. `' `- Java Trap: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD8zET4vzFZu62tMIRAm5oAKC1yTSdxHJYDHsQK0J3768apmf+FQCguqVa p2+UfA/M8/jShLCbVB2xyec= =zIGa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#342200: argouml: Please advise
Hi all, Michael Koch wrote: Hello, On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 10:44:08PM -0300, Javier Kohen wrote: Could you please share with us the reasons for not closing this bug, in other words, why we don't yet have the latest version of ArgoUML in Debian? Namely, is it because of personal reasons, lack of motivation, etc., or because said version has known fatal bugs? Arccording to http://wiki.debian.org/Java/ShouldGoToMain argouml doesnt run with free Java runtimes yet. This lowers the motivation for working it a lot. We want to move all Java packages to the Debian main section. this can only be done when a package can be built and run with purely free software. To help with this you can e.g. test argouml with free runtimes and report bugs to upstream so they can fix it. then when these fixes enter Debian we can reconsider argouml and update it. Well, I am basically interested in argouml so I did a little research on the new upstream some time ago. The main problem is that they - don't ask me why - they started to use netbeans stuff for the uml model implementation. The problem is that netbeans stuff is licensed under the SPL alone which with a quick google search is likely to be undistributable by debian. So the first thing before a new upstream version will enter debian is to check if there is a clear status for the SPL with debian-legal. Thats something which still has to be done. And I have currently no time for some legal discussions. Wolfgang -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#342200: argouml: Please advise
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 09:19:00AM +0100, Wolfgang Baer wrote: The main problem is that they - don't ask me why - they started to use netbeans stuff for the uml model implementation. The problem is that netbeans stuff is licensed under the SPL alone which with a quick google search is likely to be undistributable by debian. So the first thing before a new upstream version will enter debian is to check if there is a clear status for the SPL with debian-legal. Thats something which still has to be done. And I have currently no time for some legal discussions. Uh, that is evil. I think its easier if upstream rewrites that stuff to not use NetBeans stuff. Cheers, Michael -- Escape the Java Trap with GNU Classpath! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html Join the community at http://planet.classpath.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#342200: argouml: Please advise
Package: argouml Version: 0.19.6-2 Followup-For: Bug #342200 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Could you please share with us the reasons for not closing this bug, in other words, why we don't yet have the latest version of ArgoUML in Debian? Namely, is it because of personal reasons, lack of motivation, etc., or because said version has known fatal bugs? I'm posting this for the sake of documentation, and not to express discomformity with the maintainer's job. Thanks! - -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: Linux 2.6.15-ck2 Locale: LANG=es_AR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=es_AR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Versions of packages argouml depends on: ii antlr 2.7.6-2 language tool for constructing rec ii libgef-java 0.11.99.0.12.beta2-2 Graph Editing Framework written en ii libgnujmi-java 0.0cvs20050116-1 free implementation of the java me ii libi18n-java0.1.3a-2 internationalization library for j ii liblog4j1.2-java1.2.13-1 Logging library for java ii libnsuml-java 0.4.20-12Novosoft UML (Unified Modeling Lan ii libocl-argo-java1.1-8Dresden OCL (Object Constraint Lan ii libswidgets-java0.1.1-2 various swing gui controls java li ii libtoolbar-java 1.1.0-2 extension of java swing component ii libxerces-java 1.4.4-2 Validating XML parser for Java ii sun-j2sdk1.5 [java2 1.5.0+update06 Java(TM) 2 SDK, Standard Edition, argouml recommends no packages. - -- debconf-show failed -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFD6p5o823633cP2P8RAnYHAKCJlPllxI2PWjr3pls2GZTUEfU+1QCcCbAc EsG2UZ5gKHQaR71NMNKpKRo= =yVAy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#342200: argouml: Please advise
Hello, On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 10:44:08PM -0300, Javier Kohen wrote: Could you please share with us the reasons for not closing this bug, in other words, why we don't yet have the latest version of ArgoUML in Debian? Namely, is it because of personal reasons, lack of motivation, etc., or because said version has known fatal bugs? Arccording to http://wiki.debian.org/Java/ShouldGoToMain argouml doesnt run with free Java runtimes yet. This lowers the motivation for working it a lot. We want to move all Java packages to the Debian main section. this can only be done when a package can be built and run with purely free software. To help with this you can e.g. test argouml with free runtimes and report bugs to upstream so they can fix it. then when these fixes enter Debian we can reconsider argouml and update it. Cheers, Michael -- Escape the Java Trap with GNU Classpath! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html Join the community at http://planet.classpath.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
