Bug#527592: [tex-live] xfrac.sty depends on latex3
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Frank Küster fr...@kuesterei.ch wrote: Hi, xfrac.sty from collection-mathextra needs template.sty from collection-latex3. I didn't test any other components of the mh package (in which xfrac.sty is included). Note: I'm the author of said package. It is true that the xfrac package depends on expl3 etc. Other parts of the mh packages will soon also require expl3. It's up to you to decide whether it is possible to fix that by moving around packages or letting mathextra depend on latex3, or whether it must be left as an open issue. Just leave it as it is - the default for most TeX Live users is to install the whole shebang anyway... -- Morten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#527592: [tex-live] xfrac.sty depends on latex3
On Di, 29 Sep 2009, Morten Høgholm wrote: Just leave it as it is - the default for most TeX Live users is to install the whole shebang anyway... That does not help us on Debian where one collection maps to one debian binary package and we need decent dependencies. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining prein...@logic.atVienna University of Technology Debian Developer prein...@debian.org Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- SCROGGS (n.) The stout pubic hairs which protrude from your helping of moussaka in a cheap Greek restaurant. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#527592: [tex-live] xfrac.sty depends on latex3
Norbert Preining wrote: On Di, 29 Sep 2009, Morten Høgholm wrote: Just leave it as it is - the default for most TeX Live users is to install the whole shebang anyway... That does not help us on Debian where one collection maps to one debian binary package and we need decent dependencies. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining prein...@logic.atVienna University of Technology Debian Developer prein...@debian.org Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- SCROGGS (n.) The stout pubic hairs which protrude from your helping of moussaka in a cheap Greek restaurant. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff which confuses a lot of ubuntu users, so they end up installing everything anyway. It is nice that debian provides TL in so many pacakges, but IMO it just serves as a big confusion for the average user. -- /daleif -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#527592: [tex-live] xfrac.sty depends on latex3
Lars Madsen a écrit : which confuses a lot of ubuntu users, so they end up installing everything anyway. It is nice that debian provides TL in so many pacakges, but IMO it just serves as a big confusion for the average user. In my experience, the most confusing fact for users of downstream-packaged version of TeX Live is that a package named texlive exists, which does *not* correspond to the default install scheme of upstream TeX Live (btw this is not specific to Debian, I think). IMHO, it would help a lot if either: - the texlive package installs all (ie, it's texlive-full) - there is no texlive package, but a series of packages like texlive-minimal, texlive-medium, ..., texlive-full. It would avoid a lot of bad surprises and/or misunderstanding for end users. Manuel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#527592: [tex-live] xfrac.sty depends on latex3
2009/9/29 Lars Madsen dal...@imf.au.dk: Norbert Preining wrote: ... which confuses a lot of ubuntu users, so they end up installing everything anyway. It is nice that debian provides TL in so many pacakges, but IMO it just serves as a big confusion for the average user. Even if you install everything, packaging brings you benefits. If a package is updated on CTAN and then in TL, you update just the package, not the whole TeX system. It makes little sense to select individual packages upon installation, it is better to select collections, but it is worth to update individual packages. -- /daleif -- Zdeněk Wagner http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/ http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#527592: [tex-live] xfrac.sty depends on latex3
Norbert Preining a écrit : On Di, 29 Sep 2009, Morten Høgholm wrote: Just leave it as it is - the default for most TeX Live users is to install the whole shebang anyway... That does not help us on Debian where one collection maps to one debian binary package and we need decent dependencies. Is it possible for you in Debian to have Debian-specific dependencies in addition to those coming from upstream TL? That way you could solve the problem in Debian regardless of what is done in TL, since I understand correct depenencies are probably more important for Debian than for upstream TL. However, after a bit of thinking, I can't find any reason not to add the dependeny in TL. Anyway, more and more l2e packages are going to depend on l3 things (most notably expl3), so I don't see any problem with collection-latex3 being installed by most schemes in TL. Manuel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#527592: [tex-live] xfrac.sty depends on latex3
On Di, 29 Sep 2009, Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard wrote: Is it possible for you in Debian to have Debian-specific dependencies in addition to those coming from upstream TL? That way you could solve the problem Yes,. and we have loads of them and some of them I moved upstream. However, after a bit of thinking, I can't find any reason not to add the dependeny in TL. Anyway, more and more l2e packages are going to depend on l3 Sometimes there are only Recommends and not depends. That is a question how important a sub package is. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining prein...@logic.atVienna University of Technology Debian Developer prein...@debian.org Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- ERIBOLL (n.) A brown bubble of cheese containing gaseous matter which grows on welsh rarebit. It was Sir Alexander Flemming's study of eribolls which led, indirectly, to his discovery of the fact that he didn't like welsh rarebit very much. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#527592: [tex-live] xfrac.sty depends on latex3
xfrac.sty from collection-mathextra needs template.sty from collection-latex3. I didn't test any other components of the mh package (in which xfrac.sty is included). It's up to you to decide whether it is possible to fix that by moving around packages or letting mathextra depend on latex3, or whether it must be left as an open issue. Since most mathextra packages don't depend on latex3 (and most likely never will), I don't want to add that dependency. But since Morten says all his stuff will soon depend on L3, I moved mh to collection-latex3. I expect we'll have to revisit this in the future if there end up being zillions of L3-dependent packages, but for now it seems ok and expedient. Best, Karl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
