Le jeudi 30 janvier 2014 à 22:43 +0400, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd#sysvinit_.2B-_insserv
Since you forgot to paste the first sentence, let me add it here.
“Sysvinit was never designed to cope with the dynamic/event-based
architecture of the
Matthias Klumpp dixit:
2014-01-30 ChaosEsque Team chaosesquet...@yahoo.com:
[bullshit]
This was actually *not* bullshit. The delivery of most of the
content could use some polishing, but the content is a(n inconvenient)
truth.
Wasn't there some kind of a ban applied here?
Apparently not, but
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:05:05PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
This was actually *not* bullshit. The delivery of most of the
content could use some polishing, but the content is a(n inconvenient)
truth.
Man, if someone was spouting garbage like that in support of systemd,
you bet your mksh
Putting it another way, then, I expect there are some people who will
not want systemd on their GNU/Linux systems. I don't think it matters
if their reasons are technical, political, irrational fear or personal
dislike of the creator; I'd like them to have that choice and for it to
work as well
2014-01-30 Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.de:
Matthias Klumpp dixit:
2014-01-30 ChaosEsque Team chaosesquet...@yahoo.com:
[bullshit]
This was actually *not* bullshit. The delivery of most of the
content could use some polishing, but the content is a(n inconvenient)
truth.
Wasn't there some
Matthias Klumpp dixit:
What would happen if we adopted systemd?
The project would lose (a different set of) contributors and users.
The OSS ecosystem would lose, vendor-lock-in would ensue in a way
even worse than the FSF does, and the remnants of Unix/GNU in Debian
would die, to be replaced by
Matthias Klumpp writes (Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution
proposal - Don't like software, don't use it. Absolutely.):
What would be the effecr if we decided to drop GNOME, because it
depends on systemd?
In this hypothetical scenario:
It would be fairly easy
On 30/01/14 17:01, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
And the GNOME/systemd people are invited to make their dream
of the FLOS GNOME OS into a Debian derivate or Pure Blend.
If the chosen default is something other than systemd, and if the TC
resolution does not prevent GNOME having a hard dependency on
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 05:30:04PM +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
What would be the effecr if we decided to drop GNOME, because it
depends on systemd?
Of course, Debian would have played with it's muscles, but in the end
we would have lost GNOME users, all GNOME developers and many
motivated
Le jeudi 30 janvier 2014 à 21:38 +0400, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
[Lots of crap]
Where is the list of problems for sysvinit we intend to solve?
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd#sysvinit_.2B-_insserv
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Matthias Klumpp writes (Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal
resolution proposal - Don't like software, don't use it.
Absolutely.):
What would be the effecr if we decided to drop GNOME, because it
depends on systemd?
In this hypothetical scenario:
It would be fairly easy
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 06:47:02PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 30 janvier 2014 à 21:38 +0400, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
[Lots of crap]
Nice argumentation, as usual...
Where is the list of problems for sysvinit we intend to solve?
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Sergey B Kirpichev
skirpic...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 05:30:04PM +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
GNOME upstream won't really change
Why? There are non-Linux GNOME users, for example. If the GNOME
developers don't care even about such popular
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
What would be the effecr if we decided to drop GNOME, because it
depends on systemd?
In this hypothetical scenario:
It would be fairly easy for a downstream of Debian to mandate systemd
for their users, and provide Gnome.
It would not
Sergey B Kirpichev skirpic...@gmail.com writes:
Are X-people indeed sacrifice portability, or there is something
different (e.g. these dependencies are optional)?
Speaking as the X server release manager, the systemd patches exist
solely to provide for interoperation with systemd or other
2014-01-31 Keith Packard kei...@keithp.com:
Sergey B Kirpichev skirpic...@gmail.com writes:
[...]
Where is the list of problems for sysvinit we intend to solve?
For X, the problem is running X as a user other than root, which should
provide for increased system security as we'll be reducing
Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net writes:
Of course it does not exclude implementing that stuff in a different,
non-systemd tool, but to my knowledge nobody has done that yet.
Exactly so. I have ideas on how this might work in a simpler and more
general fashion, but people rarely listen to
If you don't like the software, don't use it.
Absolutely. But that is not really an option that is to be afforded to all of
us if
the systemd guys successfully have their way with linux.
It would be nice if they afforded us such a freedom, but their statements
and their actions suggest that
2014-01-30 ChaosEsque Team chaosesquet...@yahoo.com:
[bullshit]
Wasn't there some kind of a ban applied here?
I am confused.
Cheers,
Matthias
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