Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-30 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > No, it worked well for decades and it was exactly why you have small > root and resizable /usr on other medias. It worked because of extraordinary effort by DDs to continuously migrate libraries from /usr to / any time a binary or library in /bin, /sbin,

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-30 Thread Julian Andres Klode
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:45:08AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > Am Mi den 30. Nov 2016 um 9:36 schrieb Julian Andres Klode: > > In your imagination, that is (yes, I too can write stupid replies > > without any arguments - but I actually can provide arguments too, > > see below). > > Thanks for

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-30 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Mi den 30. Nov 2016 um 9:36 schrieb Julian Andres Klode: > In your imagination, that is (yes, I too can write stupid replies > without any arguments - but I actually can provide arguments too, > see below). Thanks for insulting me. (I do not

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-30 Thread Martin Pitt
Hello Martin, Martin Steigerwald [2016-11-30 9:20 +0100]: > Also agreed to that… libsystemd is almost one third of the size of libc6.so > here… and it seems upstream basically stuffes *everything* into it, including > reading process attributes that IMHO would be a task for a *different*

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-30 Thread Julian Andres Klode
(Huh, all emails are CCing listmaster - let's drop them for this subthread for now.) On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 07:46:31AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi Martin, > > Am Di den 29. Nov 2016 um 22:36 schrieb Martin Pitt: > > Cristian

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-30 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch, 30. November 2016, 07:46:31 CET schrieb Klaus Ethgen: > > Also, *if* you want to make this about systemd vs. SysV again: > Well, systemd, or better the religiosity, systemd is spread, is part of > this particular problem. Exactly that is the case, why so many users > oppose systemd.

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-29 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi Martin, Am Di den 29. Nov 2016 um 22:36 schrieb Martin Pitt: > Cristian Ionescu-Idbohrn [2016-11-29 22:16 +0100]: > > Eversince systemd came about into debian, you've shown direct or > > indirect disrespect, IMO, to people objecting against

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-29 Thread Martin Pitt
Hello Christian, Cristian Ionescu-Idbohrn [2016-11-29 22:16 +0100]: > Eversince systemd came about into debian, you've shown direct or > indirect disrespect, IMO, to people objecting against screwing up > their systems, where they want to keep sysv instead of adopting > systemd world domination.

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-29 Thread Cristian Ionescu-Idbohrn
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 27.11.2016 um 12:32 schrieb Klaus Ethgen: > > Am So den 27. Nov 2016 um 11:56 schrieb Michael Biebl: > >> We no longer support a split /usr which is not pre-mounted in the > >> initramfs. > > > >> So you either have two options: > >> 1/ Don't use a

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-27 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am So den 27. Nov 2016 um 11:56 schrieb Michael Biebl: > We no longer support a split /usr which is not pre-mounted in the initramfs. > > So you either have two options: > 1/ Don't use a split /usr > 2/ Use an initramfs to mount /usr 1. I do not

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-27 Thread Craig Small
There are several fields that a process can have that are obtained from the systemd library. man ps and search for systemd shows them all but the ones I noticed were machine, lsession, ouid, seat and slice that come to mind. On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 9:41 PM Klaus Ethgen wrote:

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-27 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello Craig, Am So den 27. Nov 2016 um 11:12 schrieb Craig Small: > There is a reason for linking to libsystemd and it is to do with accessing > the systemd type parameters that can be applied to a process. But what has ps to do with such a

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-27 Thread Craig Small
reassign 845480 libsystemd0 232-6 retitle 845480 libsystemd links to libraries in /usr affects 845480 procps thankyou Hi, I received a report saying that ps fails to run if /usr is separate. The reason for this is ps links to libsystemd which in turn links to liblz4 which is found on /usr I'm

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-27 Thread Craig Small
There is a reason for linking to libsystemd and it is to do with accessing the systemd type parameters that can be applied to a process. - Craig On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:28 PM Klaus Ethgen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi Craig, > > Am Mi

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-27 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi Craig, Am Mi den 23. Nov 2016 um 23:15 schrieb Axel Beckert: > Craig Small wrote: > > Actually its not ps, its libsystemd that is pulling this dependency in. ps > > is linked to libsystemd which is in /lib and > > $ ldd

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-25 Thread Vincent Lefevre
Control: found -1 2:3.3.12-2 On 2016-11-26 09:44:44 +1300, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > I think that this bug affects only systems that have /usr on a separate > filesystem. > > I upgraded procps on a system in which /usr is on the root filesystem and > encountered no problems at boot time. > >

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-25 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
I think that this bug affects only systems that have /usr on a separate filesystem. I upgraded procps on a system in which /usr is on the root filesystem and encountered no problems at boot time. Please consider adjusting the title of this report for the benefit of your apt-listbugs readers

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-23 Thread Axel Beckert
Hi Craig, Craig Small wrote: > Actually its not ps, its libsystemd that is pulling this dependency in. ps > is linked to libsystemd which is in /lib and > $ ldd /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsystemd.so | grep usr > liblz4.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblz4.so.1 (0x7fa2cf30) > > There is

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-23 Thread Craig Small
Actually its not ps, its libsystemd that is pulling this dependency in. ps is linked to libsystemd which is in /lib and $ ldd /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsystemd.so | grep usr liblz4.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblz4.so.1 (0x7fa2cf30) There is also this on the systemd bug

Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

2016-11-23 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Package: procps Version: 2:3.3.12-3 Severity: critical ps is depending on /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblz4.so.1. As udev needs ps to be started, it cannot make the devices available where /usr is on so the boot fails completely. Please make ps not