Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-09-18 Thread Russ Allbery
CJ Fearnley c...@cjfearnley.com writes: I like Andrew's version: brevity is the soul of wit. In Policy, main, contrib, and non-free are in italics and so I presume that italics are more appropriate than quotes ('). But that's probably a technical matter for the committer. It is probably

Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-09-02 Thread CJ Fearnley
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:34:52AM +1200, Andrew McMillan wrote: On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:05 -0400, CJ Fearnley wrote: On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:38:14AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: CJ Fearnley c...@cjfearnley.com writes: 2.2.1 The main archive area The main archive area

Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-08-30 Thread CJ Fearnley
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:38:14AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: CJ Fearnley c...@cjfearnley.com writes: 2.2.1 The main archive area The main archive area comprises the Debian GNU/Linux distribution; only the packages in this area are considered part of the distribution. None

Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-08-30 Thread Andrew McMillan
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:05 -0400, CJ Fearnley wrote: On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:38:14AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: CJ Fearnley c...@cjfearnley.com writes: 2.2.1 The main archive area The main archive area comprises the Debian GNU/Linux distribution; only the packages in

Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-08-28 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 18:16:21 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: Actually, with the release of GNU/kFreeBSD variants for Squeeze, this paragraph is not totally accurate. That's a very good point. Yeah, I was about to comment on just that but then I

Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-08-28 Thread CJ Fearnley
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 09:20:42PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Andrew McMillan and...@morphoss.com writes: On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 18:06 -0400, CJ Fearnley wrote: The DFSG defines freedom in software licenses, but doesn't provide a statement of assurance to users. Maybe a statement that

Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-08-28 Thread Andrew McMillan
On Sat, 2010-08-28 at 07:35 -0400, CJ Fearnley wrote: I don't think CJ is advocating changing the DFSG, but rather is concerned that the way the DFSG is worded may not make it clear to people what the motivation is and what the implications are for users. In other words, a rephrasing

Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-08-27 Thread Russ Allbery
CJ Fearnley c...@cjfearnley.com writes: Especially since the main, contrib, and non-free archive areas are not described anywhere else (as far as I can tell), it would be helpful if some descriptive text were added to explain the intent of policy. I suggest the following in the hopes that

Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-08-27 Thread Russ Allbery
CJ Fearnley c...@cjfearnley.com writes: However, I do wish that we could figure out how to write a minefield-avoiding third sentence for your paragraph on the main archive area that definitively asserts (what I believe we all know to be true) that Debian main is more or less a guarantee that

Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-08-27 Thread CJ Fearnley
Russ, Your text accommodates almost all of my ideas while being simpler, clearer and minefield-avoiding. So I enthusiastically endorse it. However, I do wish that we could figure out how to write a minefield-avoiding third sentence for your paragraph on the main archive area that definitively

Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-08-27 Thread CJ Fearnley
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:17:16PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: CJ Fearnley c...@cjfearnley.com writes: However, I do wish that we could figure out how to write a minefield-avoiding third sentence for your paragraph on the main archive area that definitively asserts (what I believe we all

Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-08-27 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:38:14AM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : I think we need to say explicitly that only main is part of the Debian distribution. I'd also rather not add any mentions of legal vetting other than referring to the DFSG, since this is a bit of a minefield. How about:

Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-08-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: Actually, with the release of GNU/kFreeBSD variants for Squeeze, this paragraph is not totally accurate. That's a very good point. How about ‘Debian operating system’ ? The other advantage I see is that it avoids the paradox that the non-free

Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-08-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: For another data point, I have the opposite preference to Russ. I refer to the “Debian operating system”, in part because of the confusion over “distribution”. Like Russ, I'm not going to get upset if that preference isn't followed by others. In

Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-08-27 Thread Andrew McMillan
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 18:06 -0400, CJ Fearnley wrote: On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:17:16PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: CJ Fearnley c...@cjfearnley.com writes: However, I do wish that we could figure out how to write a minefield-avoiding third sentence for your paragraph on the main

Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-08-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Andrew McMillan and...@morphoss.com writes: On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 18:06 -0400, CJ Fearnley wrote: The DFSG defines freedom in software licenses, but doesn't provide a statement of assurance to users. Maybe a statement that Debian main supports the Four Freedoms[1][2] would turn the

Bug#594542: debian-policy: add descriptions for main, contrib, and non-free archive areas

2010-08-26 Thread CJ Fearnley
Package: debian-policy Version: 3.8.0.1 Severity: wishlist Especially since the main, contrib, and non-free archive areas are not described anywhere else (as far as I can tell), it would be helpful if some descriptive text were added to explain the intent of policy. I suggest the following in