Bug#753584: Should depend on mate-media-pulse | mate-media-gstreamer
On 07/04/2014 06:32 PM, Mike Gabriel wrote: However, I also get the usability part, so I give way to this request. Thank you! Please take care of getting this change into unstable, please. Sure, will do during the next days. Was planning to do some Debian work anyway. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#753584: Should depend on mate-media-pulse | mate-media-gstreamer
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz gave a good answer which I totally agree with. PulseAudio is everywhere now, and it's mature enough already to be used as the default backend.
Bug#753584: Should depend on mate-media-pulse | mate-media-gstreamer
Thanks for your answer. See also [1]. [1] https://bugs.debian.org/753588
Bug#753584: Should depend on mate-media-pulse | mate-media-gstreamer
Hi Vlad, On Fr 04 Jul 2014 08:57:12 CEST, Vlad Orlov wrote: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz gave a good answer which I totally agree with. PulseAudio is everywhere now, and it's mature enough already to be used as the default backend. doing something because everyone is doing it has not been a good reason for acting in the past with several awful examples in human history. Can you provide a more technical reason? Why should we skip using the gstreamer layer and directly communicate with pulseaudio? If I understand the gstreamer design correctly, it ends up using pulse underneath, anyway. Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgp47q1HXMs4N.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Signatur
Bug#753584: Should depend on mate-media-pulse | mate-media-gstreamer
On 07/04/2014 10:19 AM, Mike Gabriel wrote: PulseAudio is everywhere now, and it's mature enough already to be used as the default backend. doing something because everyone is doing it has not been a good reason for acting in the past with several awful examples in human history. Eh, please keep that in philosophy class. Can you provide a more technical reason? Why should we skip using the gstreamer layer and directly communicate with pulseaudio? If I understand the gstreamer design correctly, it ends up using pulse underneath, anyway. I already explained that. Pulse Audio has become the de-facto standard audio server on Linux and MATE should therefore install it's PA backend by default. You also only get a fully working Pulse Audio volume control [1] in MATE when mate-media-pulse is installed. Adrian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VolumeControl#User_Experience -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#753584: Should depend on mate-media-pulse | mate-media-gstreamer
That's right, you can only get the normally looking and working volume control dialog with PulseAudio backend. With GStreamer one the volume control dialog is practically useless - especially if GStreamer ends up using pulse underneath. If PulseAudio is installed in the system (and it is), you need a PulseAudio-compatible volume control dialog - for example, to manage input/output devices effectively.
Bug#753584: Should depend on mate-media-pulse | mate-media-gstreamer
Hi Adrian, On Fr 04 Jul 2014 10:41:39 CEST, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 07/04/2014 10:19 AM, Mike Gabriel wrote: PulseAudio is everywhere now, and it's mature enough already to be used as the default backend. doing something because everyone is doing it has not been a good reason for acting in the past with several awful examples in human history. Eh, please keep that in philosophy class. Can you provide a more technical reason? Why should we skip using the gstreamer layer and directly communicate with pulseaudio? If I understand the gstreamer design correctly, it ends up using pulse underneath, anyway. I already explained that. Pulse Audio has become the de-facto standard audio server on Linux and MATE should therefore install it's PA backend by default. You also only get a fully working Pulse Audio volume control [1] in MATE when mate-media-pulse is installed. Adrian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VolumeControl#User_Experience Can you please take care of these two *-pulse bugs, then? I understand Stefano's disposition (on IRC) that gstreamer won't depend on another daemon and if you want a pulseaudio based system, you can switch later (after installation of the meta-package mate-desktop-environment). However, I also get the usability part, so I give way to this request. Please take care of getting this change into unstable, please. Thanks, Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgpmhtaq6bMnZ.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Signatur
Bug#753584: Should depend on mate-media-pulse | mate-media-gstreamer
Package: mate-media Version: 1.8.0+dfsg1-2 Severity: normal The mate-media metapackage should give the priority to PulseAudio backend. The attached debdiff changes the control file accordingly. mm-debdiff Description: Binary data
Bug#753584: Should depend on mate-media-pulse | mate-media-gstreamer
On Do 03 Jul 2014 12:11:05 CEST, Vlad Orlov wrote: Package: mate-media Version: 1.8.0+dfsg1-2 Severity: normal The mate-media metapackage should give the priority to PulseAudio backend. The attached debdiff changes the control file accordingly. Why do you think this pulse should be the default? Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgpnTnQo3hD1J.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Signatur
Bug#753584: Should depend on mate-media-pulse | mate-media-gstreamer
On Thu, Jul 03, 2014 at 08:25:58PM +, Mike Gabriel wrote: The mate-media metapackage should give the priority to PulseAudio backend. The attached debdiff changes the control file accordingly. Why do you think this pulse should be the default? Because 99% of the average desktop user base actually want to have an easy-to-use and configurable audio stack these days. Thus, Pulse is now the default audio server for most distributions and Mate on Debian should join the party as well. With popular applications like Skype not even supporting anything but Pulse Audio anymore, I don't it's wrong to make it the default choice. mate-media-pulse is actually one of the first packages which I install after installing a new box. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
