Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:24:06AM +0100, Mattias Wadenstein wrote: One thing: Reorder the list so that Install directly from the network. is the first point, since it is the one we should point most users towards? I've already been asked to do this by someone else. But I'm not sure whether it should really be the first option: Assuming that people who want to use Debian are not dummies ;-), if they go to a site called cdimage, I expect they'll want to get CD images, and probably have reasons for not wanting to install via the network. Myself, I'd want to download the images even if I had a permanent net connection, because I might want to install Debian on a friend's machine at one point, or use it for rescue booting when my system is broken, etc. etc... Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | CS student at the Technische | GnuPG key: | \/¯| http://atterer.net | Universität München, Germany | 0x888354F7 ¯ ´` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Richard Atterer wrote: On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:24:06AM +0100, Mattias Wadenstein wrote: One thing: Reorder the list so that Install directly from the network. is the first point, since it is the one we should point most users towards? I've already been asked to do this by someone else. But I'm not sure whether it should really be the first option: Assuming that people who want to use Debian are not dummies ;-), if they go to a site called cdimage, I expect they'll want to get CD images, and probably have reasons for not wanting to install via the network. They might have, and then the will continue to scan the list of options. Thing is that you stop when you see something that matches what you want. If you know you don't want a network install for some reason, you move on quickly. If you are a newbie that is unsure, they might very well not read the part about network installs being better, since they might already have followed a link (to http downloads or something). But it is a minor point anyway, the important thing is that the webpage is much easier to find stuff on. Myself, I'd want to download the images even if I had a permanent net connection, because I might want to install Debian on a friend's machine at one point, or use it for rescue booting when my system is broken, etc. etc... Same here. I download (over nfs) and burn the image just to have a boot media for a network install. It is easier and less trouble than making floppies. /Mattias Wadenstein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Richard Atterer wrote: RA Myself, I'd want to download the images even if I had a permanent net RA connection, because I might want to install Debian on a friend's RA machine at one point, or use it for rescue booting when my system is RA broken, etc. etc... I do the same - an important category of people that cdimage has probably ignored to some degree up to now (and that new page goes a long way to improving this situation - nice work!) is people in my situation i.e. fast pipe at work, slow or non-existent pipe at home. Its no problem for me to download the cd images but the only way to upgrade my installation at home is to burn cds. I know, I could assemble an entire ftp mirror but a) it consumes a lot more space by default than a few iso images and b) despite my familiarity with liunux/unix, I've never had any joy with the piks thingie. Thanks, -stephen -- Stephen Mulcahy, Software Engineer, AO - Multivendor Systems Engineering, Compaq Global Services, Ballybrit Business Park, Galway, Ireland. tel: +353-91-754584 / mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc 2.2r4
Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 03:22:30PM +0100, Karsten Droste wrote: hi, I 'pseudo image kit'ed the binary-powerpc-1_NONUS.iso image of debian potato 2.2r4. BUT after booting yaboot could not find any images. r4 CDs won't be bootable. you need to build them with older debian-cd (from potato era) or else use CVS debian-cd. I used the CVS version (as at about Nov 6 2001) So, are the official 2.2 r4 CDs unbootable? If so, any ideas what I did wrong? Cheers, Phil. -- Say no to software patents! http://petition.eurolinux.org/ |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)118 9545656]http://www.hands.com/ |-| Philip Hands Computing Ltd. http://www.uk.debian.org/ |(| Unit 1, Cherry Close, Caversham, Reading RG4 8UP ENGLAND -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
Richard Atterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:24:06AM +0100, Mattias Wadenstein wrote: One thing: Reorder the list so that Install directly from the network. is the first point, since it is the one we should point most users towards? I've already been asked to do this by someone else. But I'm not sure whether it should really be the first option: It should definitely be the first option. IMO it should be given a status that makes the other options look almost insignificant. There would seem to be a deep seated myth among Debian newbies, that they need a CD to install it. That's fine for those that really do need a CD, but for many it would be better to either get the floppies, or get a small bootstrap CD with just the base system on it, and then do a network install. That's the reason for the current maze. Of course, Jigdo sorts out much of the problem, so perhaps we should switch to providing only jigdo spec files from woody onwards. Do you think jigdo is ready for that? Does jigdo work on windows? What do people think about not actually having official images of the CDs, just jigdo specs, and a signed MD5SUM file. The only problem I see is ensuring that we make sure that the right .debs remain available from the archive. Cheers, Phil. -- Say no to software patents! http://petition.eurolinux.org/ |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)118 9545656]http://www.hands.com/ |-| Philip Hands Computing Ltd. http://www.uk.debian.org/ |(| Unit 1, Cherry Close, Caversham, Reading RG4 8UP ENGLAND -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc 2.2r4
On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 02:06:24PM +, Philip Hands wrote: I used the CVS version (as at about Nov 6 2001) So, are the official 2.2 r4 CDs unbootable? on powerpc yes. If so, any ideas what I did wrong? its not your fault its mine, for one i was under the apparently mistaken impression that older versions of debian-cd were uses for potato anyway (someone i think debian-cd's maintainer told me this). and secondly i forgot about the broken excuse for yaboot we have in potato. current cvs (or 2.2.9) debian-cd will use a kludged yaboot.conf for potato CDs and a correct one for woody. if its possible to generate a r4.1 or something for powerpc images that would be nice, otherwise we will just have to wait for r5. (nobody built fixed boot-floppies for powerpc either so r4 really is a mess on powerpc). -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ msg02296/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: pseudo-image problem
Bob Plank [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am trying to create an image on a WinTel PC so that I can install Debian. Unfortunately, no matter which mirror I use, the download chokes on any file in the /doc/FAQ/html/ directory, I have been able to find the files in the /doc/FAQ/ directory on some of the servers. The problem is I don't know how to change the binary-i386-1.list file using a Windows based tool without corrupting the format. How do I work around this? Is there a binary-i386-1.list file somewhere which matches the contents of the server? Or, is there a mirror somewhere which accurately reflects the contents of binary-i386-1.list? It shouldn't matter --- it will build the pseudo-image without those files, and rsync will then slap them back in for you (rsync's clever like that) I'd imagine this fact is mentioned in the PIK Readme or FAQ -- If not, it should be. Cheers, Phil. -- Say no to software patents! http://petition.eurolinux.org/ |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)118 9545656]http://www.hands.com/ |-| Philip Hands Computing Ltd. http://www.uk.debian.org/ |(| Unit 1, Cherry Close, Caversham, Reading RG4 8UP ENGLAND -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
Richard Atterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:24:06AM +0100, Mattias Wadenstein wrote: One thing: Reorder the list so that Install directly from the network. is the first point, since it is the one we should point most users towards? I've already been asked to do this by someone else. But I'm not sure whether it should really be the first option: It should definitely be the first option. IMO it should be given a status that makes the other options look almost insignificant. There would seem to be a deep seated myth among Debian newbies, that they need a CD to install it. That's fine for those that really do need a CD, but for many it would be better to either get the floppies, or get a small bootstrap CD with just the base system on it, and then do a network install. That's the reason for the current maze. Of course, Jigdo sorts out much of the problem, so perhaps we should switch to providing only jigdo spec files from woody onwards. Do you think jigdo is ready for that? Does jigdo work on windows? What do people think about not actually having official images of the CDs, just jigdo specs, and a signed MD5SUM file. The only problem I see is ensuring that we make sure that the right .debs remain available from the archive. Cheers, Phil. This problem is slightly wider than http://cdimage.debian.org It seems that some attention should be paid to clarifying the installation instructions at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/#new-inst and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install (and it's relatives for other architectures). Links to and from these pages would seem sensible in order to make it easier for people to find the information they actually need during installation. My first installation took me a year or more to achieve. I did not manage it until I found the current cdimage site which happened by chance as I recall. The whole install process definately needs work, I have seen many clever people defeated by it, and I applaud your work on cdimage as a step in this direction. regards Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc 2.2r4
Le Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 05:57:45AM -0900, Ethan Benson écrivait: If so, any ideas what I did wrong? its not your fault its mine, for one i was under the apparently mistaken impression that older versions of debian-cd were uses for potato anyway (someone i think debian-cd's maintainer told me this). Yes, and it was so for 2.2r3. Anne had setup a CVS branch (off22r3) for building potato images ... i've even been bashed because I broke debian-cd CVS without tagging a good version that was usable to build potato CDs. For this time, it will be ok. But we'll try to do better for woody ... using debian-cd CVS for building an already released Debian version will always be problematic. Documentation included changes, CD characteristics also, even boot images used can change ... By using the CVS debian-cd now, you lose dpkg-multicd support. And maybe some of our stable users rely on this. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://strasbourg.linuxfr.org/~raphael/ Le bouche à oreille du Net : http://www.beetell.com Naviguer sans se fatiguer à chercher : http://www.deenoo.com Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems controlling the content on CD one
On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:01:05PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: I'm building a custum debian CD for the norwegian linux for schools project, and am using debian-cd to do this. I've had some problems getting the build system to do what I want, but hoped I had this under control, Alas, something went wrong a few days ago. The CD I made yesterday do not boot (this could be a problem with the burning, so I'll investigate more), but a more serious problem is the fact that the CDs no longer contain all the packages I list in my task file. Packages will get dropped if they depend on some other pkg you don't have, or depend on a newer version of some pkg. Maybe an extra depend got added to a pkg or something. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 04:48:35PM +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach »Philip Hands« am 2001-11-16 um 14:54:25 + : What do people think about not actually having official images of the CDs, just jigdo specs, and a signed MD5SUM file. Hm, what about people who don't have a fast and cheap internet connection? Where should they get Debian? You can use jigdo to reassemble the official CD images - think of it as just a different type of pseudo image kit. Phil meant official images, but only available via jigdo. Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | CS student at the Technische | GnuPG key: | \/¯| http://atterer.net | Universität München, Germany | 0x888354F7 ¯ ´` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 07:44:46PM +0100, Richard Atterer wrote: On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +, Philip Hands wrote: It should definitely be the first option. OK, enough people seem to want this; I'm changing it. Another thing: Does anybody actually offer a downloadable net-install CD image somewhere? I've never seen one so far. snip Browse around on www.debianplanet.org, I am used to the iso ElectricElf made, currently located at http://www.digitaltux.com/elf/ LarstiQ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to debian-cd/tools/boot/woody by jwest
Repository: debian-cd/tools/boot/woody who:jwest time: Fri Nov 16 22:04:45 PST 2001 Log Message: first test of multiboot ElTorito image for cd1 Files: changed:boot-i386 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
