Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-06-30 Thread Keith Packard
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Ian Jackson writes (Re: Bug#741573: Two menu systems): But I'd like to make some specific comments too. (I'm reading 24f00b5:741573_menu_systems/keithp_draft.txt, of which I attach a copy.) ... Oh, and: Fourthly: It makes no provision

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-06-30 Thread Keith Packard
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: I see Keith has committed a draft to git. As discussed, I disagree with this approach. This amounts to nonconsensually abolishing someone's work when it is still being maintained, and the global cost is minimal. Right, as I said in the

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-06-30 Thread Keith Packard
Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org writes: * There's no reason that has a .desktop file should imply shows up in modern desktop environments, and so I think that the question of coverage is to some extent a red herring; the systems have different coverage because they've always had

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-06-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi, Le lundi 30 juin 2014 à 13:59 -0700, Keith Packard a écrit : One of the arguments that I had heard expressed against supporting applications shipping .desktop files is that it would reduce the number of applications offered in existing menu packages; I'm hoping that my draft addresses

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-06-30 Thread Keith Packard
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: The counterpoint here, which I had missed earlier in this discussion, is the file format for the menus themselves, not the *.desktop files. I agree with you about the *.desktop file format, but the specification for the menus is much more complicated.

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-06-30 Thread Keith Packard
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: One of the problems I have with your proposal, compared to Charles’ original patch, is that it encourages maintainers of hundreds of (IMHO useless) menu files to port them to the desktop format. Yeah, there are a lot of inappropriate entries in my

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-06-30 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Keith Packard kei...@keithp.com writes: 1. Implement .desktop parsing support in the existing 'menu' package so that packages providing only .desktop files would be incorporated into menu programs without further change. FWIW, it seems there is at least partial support for that

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-06-30 Thread Keith Packard
Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes: Keith Packard kei...@keithp.com writes: 1. Implement .desktop parsing support in the existing 'menu' package so that packages providing only .desktop files would be incorporated into menu programs without further change. FWIW, it seems there