Bug#765803: tech-ctte: Ask before changing init system when upgrading to jessie and Inform about init systems when installing jessie

2014-10-18 Thread Svante Signell
Package: tech-ctte Severity: Important When upgrading an old system installing certain packages, like network-manager and gdm3 systemd-sysv is installed changing the init system. These packages depend on libpam-systemd, which depends on systemd-sysv | systemd-shim. If systemd-shim is not

Bug#765803: tech-ctte: Ask before changing init system when upgrading to jessie and Inform about init systems when installing jessie

2014-10-18 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 18 octobre 2014 13:32 +0200, Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com : In summary, the CTTE is asked to make a decision on debconf warnings on: 1) Changing init system on upgrades (including sid) 2) Inform about alternate init systems for new installations 2 is quite far-fetched. Why not a

Bug#765803: tech-ctte: Ask before changing init system when upgrading to jessie and Inform about init systems when installing jessie

2014-10-18 Thread Martinx - ジェームズ
Clearly, the initsystem is by far, much more relevant than nano, vi, jre, mail, x-www-browser, etc... It is a big deal. Item 2 is important. And not to only make popularity contest more fair... It should not only inform about alternate init systems, but also, give people the opportunity to chose

Bug#765803: tech-ctte: Ask before changing init system when upgrading to jessie and Inform about init systems when installing jessie

2014-10-18 Thread Cameron Norman
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org wrote: ❦ 18 octobre 2014 13:32 +0200, Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com : In summary, the CTTE is asked to make a decision on debconf warnings on: 1) Changing init system on upgrades (including sid) 2) Inform about

Re: Bug#765803: tech-ctte: Ask before changing init system when upgrading to jessie and Inform about init systems when installing jessie

2014-10-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 08:20:33PM -0300, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: Clearly, the initsystem is by far, much more relevant than nano, vi, jre, mail, x-www-browser, etc... It is a big deal. Why? I'm sure the majority of users would notice a change in x-www-browser or sensible-editor before they'd

Bug#765803: tech-ctte: Ask before changing init system when upgrading to jessie and Inform about init systems when installing jessie

2014-10-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Hi Svante, Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com writes: In summary, the CTTE is asked to make a decision on debconf warnings on: 1) Changing init system on upgrades (including sid) 2) Inform about alternate init systems for new installations For issue 1, I think it's clear that you're

Bug#765803: Status of prompting / notification on upgrade for init system switch?

2014-10-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Hello, systemd maintainers. We (the Technical Committee) have received a request to override a maintainer decision around whether systems are switched from sysvinit to systemd on upgrade. However, it's not clear to me that an actual decision has been made that we would need to override. There

Bug#765803: tech-ctte: Ask before changing init system when upgrading to jessie and Inform about init systems when installing jessie

2014-10-18 Thread Josh Triplett
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:27:11 -0700 Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org wrote: ❦ 18 octobre 2014 13:32 +0200, Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com : In summary, the CTTE is asked to make a decision on debconf

Bug#765803: tech-ctte: Ask before changing init system when upgrading to jessie and Inform about init systems when installing jessie

2014-10-18 Thread Cyril Brulebois
[ I would usually add debian-boot@ in Cc so that my peers get into the loop but let's not add extra noise. ] Russ Allbery r...@debian.org (2014-10-18): Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com writes: In summary, the CTTE is asked to make a decision on debconf warnings on: 1) Changing init