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That seems very unlikely to me. Diversity is an important part of
Debian. I think it is likely that the TC is going to value the Debian
Menu as long as Bill or someone else is going to work on it. I would
expect us to value
: not present the useless ones. Use
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I don’t think presenting the whole contents of /usr/bin in a menu is
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Maybe they should read the Constitution, especially §6.3.6. Ironically
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Le vendredi 31 janvier 2014 à 11:55 +, Neil McGovern a écrit :
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 09:33:33AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Given the Condorcet voting method is susceptible to tactical voting,
I'm not sure what you mean here, could you care to elaborate?
Wikipedia has
Le jeudi 30 janvier 2014 à 21:38 +0400, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
[Lots of crap]
Where is the list of problems for sysvinit we intend to solve?
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd#sysvinit_.2B-_insserv
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but they are realistic (basically it means using logind v204). But there
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My bad. I was under the impression you wanted a serious discussion.
Sorry for contributing to the noise, everyone.
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Le lundi 27 janvier 2014 à 17:48 +, Ian Jackson a écrit :
Josselin Mouette writes (Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal
resolution proposal):
Since this resolution would override the will of each maintainer to make
his package depend on whatever init system the software depends
) any other option than
those three would be implemented, making any decision stating otherwise
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be fixed to have parallel boot, otherwise
this is a big regression from the current insserv setup.
If your real point is pick systemd *or* upstart and don't try to
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blah.service.in:
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the same functional coverage without it is simply insane.
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* Introspection and debugging
* Configuration-less system
* User sessions
I’m curious as to what features you consider not relevant for Debian.
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to abide by your rules, and have a proposal for what to put in the
Uploaders: field of the resulting packages. I am pretty sure the same
holds for a systemd package that would be required to remain at version
204, stripped of stuff that doesn’t work with upstart.
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to the stability promise. The only other existing implementation
(cgmanager) is merely wrapping in D-Bus the existing kernel API, which
is going to die when a single writer becomes necessary.
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unless the TC wants to remove a great number of packages from the
archive, you need to take into account the fact that some voluntary
manpower is required to implement your decision.
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Le mercredi 01 janvier 2014 à 01:54 -0008, cameron a écrit :
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I am a bit confused here. You wrote in the upstart position
statement, almost at the top: “Upstart supports both bus activation
and socket activation.”
I
of an incoming connection.
This is described in more detailed in the “systemd for administrators”
series:
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/socket-activation2.html
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the situation after the release of jessie
This option does not look realistic to me. At least the upstart
proponents have outlined a strategy to keep software depending on
systemd interfaces working in jessie.
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* Since kdbus is much faster, applications might start to rely on
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* that develolpers have the same attention to code quality and
security in all components they work on.
I don’t think either of them applies to systemd.
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Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
There are two implied assumptions here:
* that the same people are developing all components;
* that develolpers have the same attention to code quality
Le vendredi 29 novembre 2013 à 17:55 +0100, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
Indeed, systemd has not been written with security in mind.
Obviously, such a subjective judgment of valor does not mean the same to
me as to other developers. It is easy to quote it out of context and say
“oh, look! some
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broken design.
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Le vendredi 29 novembre 2013 à 17:11 +, Ian Jackson a écrit :
Josselin Mouette writes (Bug#727708: systemd (security) bugs (was: init
system question)):
Personally, I find the flow of bugs (including security bugs) for
moderately recent software the sign of a healthy project. A simple
for the systemd statement page. It is
now mostly finished, including the rebuttals, and should only need new
updates for spelling mistakes or minor inaccuracies.
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), the
meta-gnome maintainers may freely adjust the dependencies as
usual.
Can we consider that the changes in NetworkManager 0.9.4.0-9 are OK on
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Le jeudi 25 octobre 2012 à 00:13 +0200, Joerg Jaspert a écrit :
On 13009 March 1977, Josselin Mouette wrote:
In the current situation, I do not feel bound by any decisions the
committee might make.
You know, if it really comes to one more CTTE decision around NM and
Gnome, which
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to replace reason by emotion.
Reason has abandoned this discussion long ago. This has always been
about people who don’t even use GNOME but who won’t accept the idea that
we would install NM on other people’s computers.
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Le vendredi 12 octobre 2012 à 21:07 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
For lack of a better synopsis, the argument there is because recommends
do not behave properly across upgrades.
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Le vendredi 05 octobre 2012 à 11:36 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit :
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Recommends are not enough to ensure that packages are installed,
especially upon upgrades. For example regarding NM, we definitely
*want* people who upgrade from squeeze
Le vendredi 05 octobre 2012 à 16:46 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit :
On Sat, 06 Oct 2012, Josselin Mouette wrote:
The code that makes it actually *work* without NM installed was
added for kFreeBSD – incidentally, by the same NM maintainer whose
work has been repeatedly thrown into mud
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I don’t think any of this is acceptable behavior for a DD in a position
of responsibility. Therefore, Ian, I suggest that you resign from the
Technical Committee.
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Le mardi 25 septembre 2012 à 19:28 +0200, Andreas Barth a écrit :
* Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) [120925 18:37]:
I’ve just read Ian Jackson’s latest proposal:
[...]
If you mean by your subject that the words This should be in
compliance with the Crusade. in a changelog and changes
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. Furthermore, it only happens with the XDG
system outside GNOME/KDE, not with the old MIME system, since gimp
doesn’t ship a legacy MIME file.
I’d appreciate if the release team and CTTE could avoid basing their
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Le samedi 03 juillet 2010 à 19:15 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
On Jul 03, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
You wanted it to behave in a buggy way, then. That doesn???t make it less
a bug.
I stand by my position. If you still disagree
myself.
That would be fair. And that would ensure that people would try to think
up new solutions out of the box, instead of re-hashing arguments from
the past.
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If Matthias can refuse someone to be part of the core team because he
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and it turned out soon that we would not come to an agreement on this
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