x ports are
likely going to work that way, which means the init scripts will have
been already tested for this.
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ue to support sysvinit unless there is no
> technically feasible way to do so. Reasonable changes to preserve or
> improve sysvinit support should be accepted through the jessie
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d level
of coupling may lead to ports either supporting or dropping certain
packages, or a whole desktop environment.
IMHO it was a little frustrating that Ian's ballot couldn't go ahead
last week and reach a consensus on both issues.
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the other
question, you can avoid losing on it by simply putting the systemd
options with equal preference:
DT = DL > UL > UT
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uestions were uncoupled and decided in *reverse* order, someone might
decide to compromise on their choice of init system, due to the result
of the first decision making their original choice less palatable. I
think that's what people are expressing in their vote.
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needs?
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een split
between O and OM for example? And so better to leave them in?
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'? A Debian GNOME install would likely install systemd,
otherwise it could be something else.
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choose from.
That is, until/unless someone else can provide an alternate
implementation of logind, or whatever else is needed, then it would
become installable/usable again.
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So, I would agree exactly with what Andi said.
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do the work if they don't want to. Porters may have to
work hard and restore any lost functionality they care enough about. I
imagine such problems will be RC-severity bugs, so it should be possible
within existing practices to get patches applied or NMUd.
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ither OpenRC nor Upstart have been ported to GNU/Hurd yet, but
I'd guess at least one of them could be ported in time for jessie.
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lly nice dashboard may also show a diff of changes in the default
init script, to keep track of when the others might need updating.
Maybe that's similar to how translators' work is done.
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(That's also why GNU/kFreeBSD and Hurd ought to pick the same).
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ng to OpenRC, or be trying to
port Upstart. I'm personally undecided and the tech-ctte decision could
easily sway my opinion on this.
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derway, any
specific disagreements between teams over how to do things or what's
reasonable, could be handled separately as they arise, and escalated to
the ctte where necessary?
It wouldn't matter to me which is ultimately chosen as the default in
that case, if I only knew I would
On 13/01/14 13:48, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2014-01-13 13:15:07 +0000, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
>> In the slides[0] 13 to 15, he summarises init systems something like:
>> * SysV - simple, familiar and deterministic
>
> Deterministic?
Only the traditional SysV. Debi
sed logging, and an sshd started in the initrd, for human
or automated intervention in case the machine doesn't finish booting.
That may have pushed them in favour of a simpler init system.
[0]: http://marc.merlins.org/linux/talks/ProdNG-LCA2014/ProdNG.odp
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the ports.
[please keep me in Cc if responding directly to anything I said here]
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other
APIs can't be found) want to do this, if systemd isn't chosen as the
sole default on GNU/Linux. (It seems similar to a maintainer being able
to restrict packages to Arch: linux-any if they cannot / do not want to
support non-Linux ports).
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ing able to use something else. Preferably without
having to switch a different distro or third-party derivative.
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y be taken as 'complete' as soon the tech-ctte is ready to move
forward with this. I think maintainers of all the other proposals have
said they are ready now.
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tals
are needed on this page and it reads nicer this way. And I'm too tired
to argue this much more; the debate has already taken far more energy
than I would like.
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https://wiki.debian.org/debate/initsystem/multiple
or follow up on debian-devel@
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http://release.debian.org/wheezy/freeze_policy.html
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