Previously Ian Jackson wrote:
I'm strongly opposed to SPF, mainly because the technical details
are insane. See for example what I said in RISKS:
http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/23.18.html#subj10
Amusingly I encountered a SPF filter for the first time this week: a
mailserver rejected an email
On Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 12:20:44PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Amusingly I encountered a SPF filter for the first time this week: a
mailserver rejected an email from declaring it was spoofed. Only it
didn't see that the mailserver that contact it was only relaying the
message and was not
On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 03:36:08PM -0500, david nicol wrote:
We could demand SPF listing or c/r, until junk all has SPF.
I'm strongly opposed to SPF, mainly because the technical details
are insane. See for example what I said in RISKS:
http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/23.18.html#subj10
Ian.
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 08:57:59PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/23.18.html#subj10
I have reason to believe that Steven Bellovin's criticisms are being taken
seriously -- it's possible that future SPF drafts will have addressed
all of his concerns.
That said, I think
Previously Raul Miller wrote:
On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 03:36:08PM -0500, david nicol wrote:
We could demand SPF listing or c/r, until junk all has SPF.
SPF certainly introduces a level of accountability. It likely increases
the cost for all spammers and increases the risk for illegal
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 09:49:05AM +1000, Pascal Hakim wrote:
I've seen figures as high as 85% of email to Debian lists being spam
talked about. No more than 1% of that hits my inbox. That's impressive.
Spam mails fake headers anyway, a c-r system would not stop the spam,
it would just make
Adam Heath writes (Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output):
Please don't do anything to resolve this bug, until I have had time
to write a proper reply.
How soon can we expect that to be ?
Adam Heath writes (Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output):
There are issues
Raul Miller writes (Re: (forw) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Posting on the list
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I can probably live with things the way they are now, as far as spam
filtering.
You mean that you think the current level of spamfiltering would
Raul Miller writes (Re: (forw) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Posting on the list
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I can probably live with things the way they are now, as far as spam
filtering.
On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 09:59:59PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote
I vote yes.
Guy
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 01:09:26AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Stephen Frost writes (Re: (forw) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Posting on the list
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The TC isn't the only committee in Debian. [...]
FSVO `committee', this is true
* Ian Jackson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Stephen Frost writes (Re: (forw) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Posting on the list
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The TC isn't the only committee in Debian. [...]
FSVO `committee', this is true. But the TC
Raul Miller writes (Re: Proposed resolution Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious
` -' in output):
Maybe we should do a bit more on Anthony Towns' release policy issue,
first.
Perhaps so.
Several weeks ago I wrote:
Anthony, do you still want a formal statement of this from the whole
committee
* Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-05-20 19:49]:
Back in Feb 2003, this list was turned into a subscribers-only
list. This means that unless those people are subscribed, they won't be
able to post.
This is to try to reduce the amount of spam.
This is not an acceptable Debian list
to operate a central c/r database of known-good
sender return address, peer network address pairs, that would be
a good thing would it not?
David Nicol
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* Ian Jackson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Stephen Frost writes ((forw) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Posting on the list
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* Ian Jackson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
If the alternatives are a moderated list or one that has
Ian Jackson writes (Proposed resolution Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious `
-' in output):
Well, now there are four of us who've replied so it seems we're not
going to be lacking in participants, and no-one has criticised my
draft, so I hereby formally propose the resolution below. If I don't
Jason Gunthorpe writes (Re: Proposed resolution Re: md5sum FILE produces
spurious ` -' in output):
I do not object to your draft, if it comes to a vote I will support it.
Thanks.
However, I fail to see the point of all this. As far as I can tell making
this decision, or not, will have
I vote yes to this resolution.
Thanks,
--
Raul
On Sat, May 29, 2004 at 06:19:10PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Ian Jackson writes (Proposed resolution Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious `
-' in output):
Well, now there are four of us who've replied so it seems we're not
going to be lacking
Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Guy, do you have a reply to Raul's last point ?
My reservations were vague ones about making upstream incompatible
changes. I've convinced myself that this is no different from any
other bug. I agree with all of Ian's points.
Guy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Jackson) writes:
As far as the committee goes, we've heard from Guy, Raul, and me. Are
the rest of you reading ? What are your views ? Guy, do you have a
reply to Raul's last point ?
Been reading along, but didn't have an immediate opinion on the matter.
I've
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 12:08:01AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Raul Miller writes (Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output):
I do wish we has a better way of saying request (or require [if we have
sufficient supermajority]).
Perhaps we should just write `require' in draft
As far as the committee goes, we've heard from Guy, Raul, and me. Are
the rest of you reading ? What are your views ? Guy, do you have a
reply to Raul's last point ?
I've written a draft resolution as a trial balloon. Let me know what
you think.
Thanks,
Ian.
1. The Technical Committe has
Scott James Remnant writes (Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in
output):
Just stepping the bug aside for a moment; I'm unsure whether it as
appropriate for the chairman of the tech-ctte to make a recommendation
about a bug they themselves filed. It seems to give you a power
I tried to find other coreutils programs which behave in a similar way
to see if there is any precedent.
Lack file entries when invoked on stdin:
wc, chksum, head, tail
Have '-' as file entry when invoked on stdin:
sha1sum, md5sum
I agree that the version without the - is more useful, but I'm
On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 08:32:24AM -0700, Guy Maor wrote:
I agree that the version without the - is more useful, but I'm not
completely convinced that the coreutils maintainer should change it.
If it's already been changed several times, then I see no
reason why it should not be changed.
What
Gah.
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On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:56:47PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
* I claim that the annotated behaviour is inferior, for two reasons:
Firstly, it is less convenient. When md5sum is used in scripts and
the like, it is significantly easier to use if a script can get it
not to annotate
Raul Miller writes (Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output):
It's probably not unreasonable, however, for programs designed to work
with specifically this md5sum interface to expect the interface to remain
the same.
When it has already changed more than once (Debian has changed from
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