Re: problems upgrading stable libc6 to unstable libc6

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > when I tried to upgrade libc6 with apt-get 0.5.3, I encountered a > Preparing to replace libdb2 2:2.4.14-2.7.7.1.c (using > .../libdb2_2%3a2.7.7-7_i386.deb) ... > Unpacking replacement libdb2 ... > Replacing files in old package libc6 ... At this point any

KernelWarning

2001-04-24 Thread David Spreen
Is it possible to get make-kpkg adding A note to a kernel-image-package which is displayed when the kernel-image is installed? so long... David -- __ _ | David "netzwurm" Spreen Kiel, Germany / _|___ ___| |__ __ _ _ _ | http://www.netzwurm.cc/ [EMAIL PROTECTE

problems upgrading stable libc6 to unstable libc6

2001-04-24 Thread Brian May
Hello, when I tried to upgrade libc6 with apt-get 0.5.3, I encountered a number of problems. As I am not sure what packages are at fault, I will post here, as maybe some other debian developers can comment. I think resolving these problems is very important if the freeze is to take place any time

Re: NMUers: STOP BEING STUPID

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Personally I think the best way to avoid the problem is never > to install non-official/pre-release packages. Which is good but then how are you supposed to test them :) Just install them in a chroot and you won't have to worry about it. -- Debian GNU/

[troll] Re: New list request

2001-04-24 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Daniel Stone wrote: > Someone, please create a > [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. s/daniel-stone-is-not-really-a-Linux-Kernel-Developer/daniel-stone-is-looking-to-make-trouble-with-the-listmasters-and-alienate-even-more-people/

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Daniel Stone wrote: > > Who says you have to compile debian packages on only machines you own? > > So tell elmo to get me through, and not, not do anything for 2 months. The > only other faster machines I have access to, run RedHat or Mandrake, and I > can't afford anything be

Re: NMUers: STOP BEING STUPID

2001-04-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:05:00AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > Again, I'm not ranting that NMUs occured. I'm ranting that they were > not done correctly. Fair enough. It is irresponsible for developers to be using any packages which aren't in the archive to build packages, as happened in this ca

Re: New list request

2001-04-24 Thread Jim Lynch
Daniel Stone, You need to update your people skills. Given your present arrogance and attitude, maybe you shouldn't be a debian maint. Why should you be trusted? -Jim

New list request

2001-04-24 Thread Daniel Stone
Someone, please create a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. The rest, get over it. -- Daniel Stone Linux Kernel Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 02:40:27AM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Daniel Stone wrote: > > Linux Kernel Developer > > I love this.. the only mention of 'daniel.*stone' in the entire > kernel is a trivial patch to drivers/sound/sb_card.c.. Plus, numerous Netfilter things, which I have

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 09:33:13AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:15:09AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > > I think your concerns are not well-founded. If you have a sane build > > > system, then building them is as simple as a fo

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Daniel Stone wrote: > Linux Kernel Developer I love this.. the only mention of 'daniel.*stone' in the entire kernel is a trivial patch to drivers/sound/sb_card.c.. Wichert. -- / Generally uninteresting signature - i

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:15:09AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > I think your concerns are not well-founded. If you have a sane build > > system, then building them is as simple as a for loop. Have look at the > > way kernel-image-i386 is built if you do

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 10:31:06AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:15:09AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > I think your concerns are not well-founded. If you have a sane build > > system, then building them is as simple as a for loop. Have look at the > > way kernel-image-i38

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 05:26:27PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > > Ok, so why did this come up at all in the discussion of the kernel > package bloat? It seems to me that providing optimized kernels is a Because someone asked why the kernel-headers necessary. Their presence allows both our modul

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:15:09AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > I think your concerns are not well-founded. If you have a sane build > system, then building them is as simple as a for loop. Have look at the > way kernel-image-i386 is built if you don't understand what I'm talking > about. Not ever

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:47:14AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > No, but they can at least compile one for i386 easily as we're providing > matching kernel-headers. You're in exactly the same situation > (i.e., without binary modules) anyway if you compile your own kernel so > IMHO it's a moot point.

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:19:29AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: >> I'm actually referring to all binary modules. But for binary-only modules >> in particular, since you don't have the luxuary of being able to recompile >> them, it's even more important to sup

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 04:32:03PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > > But if I could ask a favor from you, why don't you post a list of > affected files, and hopefully some description of these and why they > are changed? There seems to be much confusion about the differences I won't bore everyone h

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:17:35AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > One file, composing of a few kilobytes, is an autogenerated header > > consisting of #define correctives enumerating the configuration. > > I think it's fairly clear that you were trying suggest that this is the > ONLY difference betw

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:19:29AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > I'm actually referring to all binary modules. But for binary-only modules > in particular, since you don't have the luxuary of being able to recompile > them, it's even more important to supply the builder with enough information > assu

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 04:10:51PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > > "Binary-only" is a misnomer, since one could translate them to ASCII > or EBDIC if they wanted to. I'm not quite sure whether you're > describing non-free kernel modules or kernel modules distributed in > precompiled form (or both

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 04:14:18PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:06:21AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > Bullshit. Why don't you do a diff instead of talking about something that > > you have no idea about? > > Do you deny that the file named autoconf.h contains precicely

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 03:34:40PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > placed by this scheme. My assumption is that there will be different > modversions for each kernel configuration and that as such, I will That's correct. > then my module-specific concerns go away. Even if you accept that the > b

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:06:21AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > Bullshit. Why don't you do a diff instead of talking about something that > you have no idea about? Do you deny that the file named autoconf.h contains precicely what I suggested? I did not attempt to present an exhaustive description

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:05:42AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:10:48PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > > If they're binary-only, I doubt much compilation will be necessary. > > They don't just come out of nowhere you know... "Binary-only" is a misnomer, since one could tra

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:14:40PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:33:25AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:30:47PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > > > > > Kernel-headers-2.4.2 is built with the default config file, and the > > > other ones are built

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:10:48PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:01:39PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > So that they can compile them? If you don't understand why we should do > > that, then there's no point in us two arguing about it. > > If they're binary-only, I doubt m

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:33:25AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:30:47PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > > > Kernel-headers-2.4.2 is built with the default config file, and the > > other ones are built with their respective config files. > > so, what's the difference betwe

[offtopic] Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Adam Heath
On 24 Apr 2001, zhaoway wrote: > Your point is ridiculous. You think linux kernel compiling is > something as fundmental as tying shoelaces. rotfl. sorry. If tying shoelaces was so easy, then why do we have velco shoes?

Re: Only one who have parse error in /var/lib/dpkg/available?

2001-04-24 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Shaul Karl wrote: > [00:44:26 /tmp]$ dpkg -l doc-linux-text > dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 69953 package > `ng-cjk': > EOF during value of field `MD5sum' (missing final newline) Show is that line and the few lines around it please. Wichert. -- _

Only one who have parse error in /var/lib/dpkg/available?

2001-04-24 Thread Shaul Karl
[00:44:26 /tmp]$ dpkg -l doc-linux-text dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 69953 package `ng-cjk': EOF during value of field `MD5sum' (missing final newline) [00:44:45 /tmp]$ Am I the only one who has it? I have a "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/availabl

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread David Schleef
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:30:47PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:47:44AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > > > > what is the DIFFERENCE between kernel-headers-2.4.2 and all the other > > 2.4.2 kernel headers packages? > > Kernel-headers-2.4.2 is built with the default config f

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:27:42PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > In any case, binary modules are a fact of life I'm afraid. > > Bull. We are Debian, not fucking RedHat or Mandrake. We strive to > exist without non-free software and using its existance as

Re: Where does iswedish come from?

2001-04-24 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Peter Makholm wrote: > I think it originates from some ftp-server in .uk which had a lot of > different ispell dictionaries. Probably ftp.ox.ac.uk then, that has a bunch of dictionaries. Wichert. -- / Generally unin

Re: Where does iswedish come from?

2001-04-24 Thread Peter Makholm
Mikael Hedin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Anyone knows where the 1.3 source comes from? The content is totally I think it originates from some ftp-server in .uk which had a lot of different ispell dictionaries. > different from the iswedish-1.x at sslug. Any advice on what to do? Get the lat

Re: Bug#95146: postgresql depends on libssl - move to non-us?

2001-04-24 Thread Oliver Elphick
James Troup wrote: [serious bug: postgresql depends on libssl0.9.6 from non-us/main] >"Oliver Elphick" writes: >> Hmm, yes. So postgresql had better move to non-us. > >While not necessarily a bad thing, it's worth noting that that is >going to drag a lot of stuff with it. Would it be

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:33:25AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:30:47PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:47:44AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > > > what is the DIFFERENCE between kernel-headers-2.4.2 and all the other > > > 2.4.2 kernel headers pack

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:01:39PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > So that they can compile them? If you don't understand why we should do > that, then there's no point in us two arguing about it. If they're binary-only, I doubt much compilation will be necessary.

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:27:42PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > In any case, binary modules are a fact of life I'm afraid. Bull. We are Debian, not fucking RedHat or Mandrake. We strive to exist without non-free software and using its existance as an excuse to make your packages far worse is a compl

Where does iswedish come from?

2001-04-24 Thread Mikael Hedin
Hi, I volunteered to adopt iswedish/wswedish some time ago. I downloaded the source, which is swedish_1.3.-2.tar.gz and a .dsc file. This is clearly some mistake, neither a native package nor a .orig.tar.gz. When looking at where the source is from, sslug.imm.dtu.dk, the latest version is iswedi

Re: switching to libxml2

2001-04-24 Thread James LewisMoss
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:42:28 +0200, Davide Puricelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: Davide> On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 09:37:33PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Federico Di Gregorio wrote: >> >> > libglade and some other packages still depend on the very old >> > libxm

Re: Strange problems...

2001-04-24 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Dale Scheetz | I couldn't get top to run while the "event" was occuring, and afterwards | everything looked ok ... hmmm, I do seem to have a problem here. Mem: | reports 64K with about 62K in use. So how come the whole 128 meg is not | being recognized? (it shows up on the memory test at boot)

Re: Strange problems...

2001-04-24 Thread Ian Eure
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > I have a resonably new motherboard with 128 meg of memory. My swap space > is 100 meg. I just got a slew of messages at the console like: > > VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for WindowMaker... > VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for WindowMaker... > VM:

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Sam Hartman
[I'm responding to Herbert directly to draw attention to this question and make sure I get a response from him. I have also read the rest of this thread even though I am responding to a fairly early message. ] I'm approaching this as the maintainer of the openafs package, which has a kernel mod

debbugs can now send bug mails to someone different than the maintainer

2001-04-24 Thread adam
I have just added support to debbugs in cvs, and on master, so that the maintainer address for a package can be overriden. This allows the real maintainer to be someone different than the person or list that gets the bugs. This is useful, when the real maintainer is doing the upload, and dinstall

Re: NMUers: STOP BEING STUPID

2001-04-24 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 01:31:05PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > > Ironically, it won't prevent the problem that sparked this thread, > namely a weird build environment on the machine where the NMU is > compiled. thanks to debootstrap, we no longer have any reason to not have a clean build env

Re: Strange problems...

2001-04-24 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Dale Scheetz wrote: > So, this is a common response from a system that has exhaused both swap > and real memory? Any good candidates in a "standard" system? I don't do > anything now that I haven't done for years, so it's probably one of those > new "features" of Debian, right? ;-) With

Re: Strange problems...

2001-04-24 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Dale Scheetz wrote: > > Anyone have any ideas? > > 1. figure out what uses insane amount of memory and apply kill and/or rm So, this is a common response from a system that has exhaused both swap and real memory? Any good candidates in a

Re: solution for lids-packages

2001-04-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 06:11:56PM +0200, David Spreen wrote: > Hi there, > > Because I am not actually an official maintainer because my dam approvement > > is > Btw. this was really 'dam' approvement, not damn approvement :) > > There's no reason for me to curse, and I didn't want to, so let's

Re: Strange problems...

2001-04-24 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Dale Scheetz wrote: > Anyone have any ideas? 1. figure out what uses insane amount of memory and apply kill and/or rm 2. buy more memory 3. upgrade to a 2.2.19 kernel Wichert. -- / Generally uninteresting signature

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Re: Strange problems...

2001-04-24 Thread Miros/law `Jubal' Baran
24.04.2001 pisze Dale Scheetz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I have a resonably new motherboard with 128 meg of memory. My swap space > is 100 meg. I just got a slew of messages at the console like: > > VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for WindowMaker... > VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for WindowMaker..

Re: solution for lids-packages

2001-04-24 Thread David Spreen
Hi there, > Because I am not actually an official maintainer because my dam approvement > is Btw. this was really 'dam' approvement, not damn approvement :) There's no reason for me to curse, and I didn't want to, so let's forget it. so long... David -- __ _ | David "n

Re: NMUers: STOP BEING STUPID

2001-04-24 Thread T.Pospisek's MailLists
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Richard Braakman wrote: > Oh, I didn't mean _only_ sending the diff. It was an addendum > to Shaleh's suggestion. The idea is to send the diff, then have > someone else look at it, and then do the NMU. You could just drop the NMUed package into some public space (http://my.

console in testing

2001-04-24 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
Hi all, what's the story with console packages in testing? I see console-tools and console-utilities that conflict with each other, console-common that replaces console-data... and there's nothing in my /usr/share/keymaps so I can't check if loadkeys will fix my problem (below). The problem I'm h

Re: Curious...

2001-04-24 Thread Carlos Laviola
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24-Apr-2001 B.C.J.O wrote: > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Petr Cech wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 09:34:01AM -0400 , B.C.J.O wrote: >> > php4... Is this a known problem? both potato and sid have packages. Any >> >> yes > > Uhm.. what's the story?

Re: Curious...

2001-04-24 Thread B.C.J.O
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Petr Cech wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 09:34:01AM -0400 , B.C.J.O wrote: > > php4... Is this a known problem? both potato and sid have packages. Any > > yes Uhm.. what's the story? =) Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] "You can't depend on your judgement when your imagination is

Re: chroot bind?

2001-04-24 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Apr 24, Nicholas Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Is there a generic system at all with in debian for say the following: > >generic file /etc/syslog/devices which is created by a syslog package, >but other (chroot) packages can add their entries too in a specified >manner though some interf

Strange problems...

2001-04-24 Thread Dale Scheetz
I have a resonably new motherboard with 128 meg of memory. My swap space is 100 meg. I just got a slew of messages at the console like: VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for WindowMaker... VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for WindowMaker... VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for WindowMaker... VM: do_tr

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:36:17AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 09:18:33AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > > [...good stuff deleted...] > > > > Now, it doesn't take a genius, to see how this will cascade. > > > > [...more good stuff deleted...] > > > > The best way to handl

Re: NMUers: STOP BEING STUPID

2001-04-24 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Richard Braakman wrote: > Ironically, it won't prevent the problem that sparked this thread, > namely a weird build environment on the machine where the NMU is > compiled. I would still love to see Source Only uploads becoming the standard way of getting new versions into the

Re: solution for lids-packages

2001-04-24 Thread David Spreen
Hi there, On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 09:31:12AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:06:27AM +0200, David Spreen wrote: > > Because I am not actually an official maintainer because my dam approvement > > is > > not finished yet, > > There's no reason to curse about it. Would

Re: Why does typing "navigator" run mozilla?

2001-04-24 Thread Timothy H. Keitt
Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 09:02:17AM -0400, Timothy H. Keitt wrote: Craig Sanders wrote: On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 05:32:45PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: (the only times i want to do that is when paranoia makes me start up a new navigator binary before connecting to my bank's h

Re: Why does typing "navigator" run mozilla?

2001-04-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 09:02:17AM -0400, Timothy H. Keitt wrote: > Craig Sanders wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 05:32:45PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > > (the only times i want to do that is when paranoia makes me start up a new > > navigator binary before connecting to my bank's ht

Re: XFree 4.0.3 used by some debian developers and their sid packages depend on it (but not available)

2001-04-24 Thread Taral
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 09:29:33AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Want more? > > http://bugs.debian.org/93443 and scroll to the bottom. That's positively obnoxious. Bug severity control is up to the developer. Although it does count as a dispute between Developers, so you could forward it to th

Re: Keymaps?

2001-04-24 Thread Wouter de Vries
On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 04:15:58PM +0200, Nils Jeppe wrote: > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Wouter de Vries wrote: > > > I am sorry, but I do not know... It only works for the latest versions > > as far as I know. > > Well my problem is, the y and z are correct, but the @ is not, and the \ > is also at a

Re: NMUers: STOP BEING STUPID

2001-04-24 Thread John Goerzen
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I shouldn't have to add my name to the list of maintainers whose > > packages should never be NMUd. > > IS there such a list? I don't think there should be. Yes: http://bugs.debian.net/ > The NMU was buggy, but with all due respect it appears tha

Re: ITP: x-ttcidfont-conf

2001-04-24 Thread Yasuhiro Take
At Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:05:07 -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 12:52:30AM +0900, Yasuhiro Take wrote: > > The biggest problem about TrueType font configuration for X is the syntax > > of .scale file. X provides two backends to handle TrueType fonts, xtt > > backend > > and f

Re: analysis of package dependencies

2001-04-24 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 03:19:08PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote: > I am installing some new servers and I want a list of the reason for each > package being installed (no software is to be installed without a good > reason). Interesting idea... > I then want to have a program go through this file

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 09:18:33AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > [...good stuff deleted...] > > Now, it doesn't take a genius, to see how this will cascade. > > [...more good stuff deleted...] > > The best way to handle all this, is to train users how to compile a kernel, > or, let them pick the

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Craig Sanders
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:30:47PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:47:44AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > > > > what is the DIFFERENCE between kernel-headers-2.4.2 and all the other > > 2.4.2 kernel headers packages? > > Kernel-headers-2.4.2 is built with the default config f

Re: solution for lids-packages

2001-04-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:06:27AM +0200, David Spreen wrote: > Because I am not actually an official maintainer because my dam approvement > is > not finished yet, There's no reason to curse about it. -- G. Branden Robinson | Debian GNU/Linux| Never attribute t

Re: XFree 4.0.3 used by some debian developers and their sid packages depend on it (but not available)

2001-04-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:11:32AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >ARRGHH!!! > > > >It really ticks me off when someone: > > 1. NMU's one of my packages for a *normal* bug without even thinking > >of checking with me first, > >and > > 2. In so doing, mana

Re: FYI: dh_upx compresses i386 executables

2001-04-24 Thread Itai Zukerman
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:30:18 -0800, Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [ -x install-upx ] && install-upx /usr/bin/foo /usr/bin/bar > > > > to her postinst or > > fine > > > dh_upx > > > > to her rules. > > NO! this would absolutly suck. that leaves the admin in the position > to

Re: chroot bind?

2001-04-24 Thread Yotam Rubin
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 12:44:05PM +0200, Jean Charles Delepine wrote: > Yotam Rubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > We could harden the default configuration with the following directives: > > > > options { > > version 'Not available'; > > That's not harden, that's obscurity and should be

Re: Curious...

2001-04-24 Thread Petr Cech
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 09:34:01AM -0400 , B.C.J.O wrote: > php4... Is this a known problem? both potato and sid have packages. Any yes Petr Cech -- Debian GNU/Linux maintainer - www.debian.{org,cz} [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try: cat /dev/urandom | perl

Curious...

2001-04-24 Thread B.C.J.O
I'm just trying to turn up a development web server running woody, and I couldn't help but notice that there are no installation candidates for php4... Is this a known problem? both potato and sid have packages. Any help appreciated. Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] "You can't depend on your judgement whe

Re: FYI: dh_upx compresses i386 executables

2001-04-24 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 09:14:41AM -0400, Itai Zukerman wrote: > > It seems to me that each maintainer should make the decision of > whether she wants UPX to apply to any of her binaries. And the > easiest way to do that, IMO, is to have her add > > [ -x install-upx ] && install-upx /usr/bin/f

Re: FYI: dh_upx compresses i386 executables

2001-04-24 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 01:14:36PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 09:00:13AM -0400, Itai Zukerman wrote: > >> you want. The postinst code would call the compression routines, > >> which might not do anything, depending on how the com

analysis of package dependencies

2001-04-24 Thread Russell Coker
I am installing some new servers and I want a list of the reason for each package being installed (no software is to be installed without a good reason). For example I have a text file saying: gcc:Software development postfix:mail serving lilo:booting I then want to have a program go through thi

Re: FYI: dh_upx compresses i386 executables

2001-04-24 Thread Itai Zukerman
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:14:36 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson) wrote: > >> you want. The postinst code would call the compression routines, > >> which might not do anything, depending on how the compressing package > >> was configured (i.e., it wouldn't call the compressing code directly, >

Re: NMUers: STOP BEING STUPID

2001-04-24 Thread Steve Greenland
On 23-Apr-01, 18:52 (CDT), Sean 'Shaleh' Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This would prevent the NMUers from doing things like debhelper/debconfizing > packages without the maintainer's consent, as well as keep NMU bugs down. NMUs should *never* change the build/install process to such an exten

Re: Why does typing "navigator" run mozilla?

2001-04-24 Thread Timothy H. Keitt
Craig Sanders wrote: On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 05:32:45PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: (the only times i want to do that is when paranoia makes me start up a new navigator binary before connecting to my bank's https site, then Exactly. Maybe the real solution is to replace Mozilla's PSM (POS) with a

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:39:14PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:34:24PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > Oddly enough, I now *start* to see his point. BTW, I have neither the time > > (p100 with 48meg? multiple kernel builds, each time you build the package, > > and that'

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:34:24PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > Oddly enough, I now *start* to see his point. BTW, I have neither the time > (p100 with 48meg? multiple kernel builds, each time you build the package, > and that's bound to be a few, because of testing?) or the space (multiple > ker

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:30:22PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:27:18PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > > No argument there, but this is where necessity and duplication comes into > > play. These documentation packages, don't have 14 copies of the same file > > now, do th

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:27:18PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > No argument there, but this is where necessity and duplication comes into > play. These documentation packages, don't have 14 copies of the same file > now, do they? Well, why don't you start writing a patch? And please submit the

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:20:33PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:14:12PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > > Let me restate the facts. Again. Very slowly. > > > > ftp.au.debian.org was broken. > > mirror.aarnet.edu.au was broken. > > Both of the above had outdated packages,

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:14:12PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > Let me restate the facts. Again. Very slowly. > > ftp.au.debian.org was broken. > mirror.aarnet.edu.au was broken. > Both of the above had outdated packages, for their Packages file. > The kernel packages take up 110meg. > More meg

debconf in potato

2001-04-24 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Does anyone know how to fix or work around this? lists:/etc/apt# dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server_3.22.32-6_i386.deb (Reading database ... 12496 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace mysql-server 3.22.32-4 (using .../mysql-server_3.22.32-6_i3 86.deb) ... Can

Re: FYI: dh_upx compresses i386 executables

2001-04-24 Thread Colin Watson
Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 09:00:13AM -0400, Itai Zukerman wrote: >> you want. The postinst code would call the compression routines, >> which might not do anything, depending on how the compressing package >> was configured (i.e., it wouldn't call the compres

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:07:03PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:02:54PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > > > That's not what you were claiming though. You said: > > > > > > > The thing is, by including all these headers, you're helping break > > > > stuff for > > > > ev

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:02:54PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > That's not what you were claiming though. You said: > > > > > The thing is, by including all these headers, you're helping break stuff > > > for > > > everyone. But you're also helping a small percentage of people who don't >

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 09:33:52PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:45:11PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:20:43PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > > > > > FUD. Show me what's actually broken. > > > > Mirrors. Slow. Out-of-sync. > > It's still FUD unt

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:45:11PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:20:43PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > > > FUD. Show me what's actually broken. > > Mirrors. Slow. Out-of-sync. It's still FUD until you produce the evidence that it's caused by the kernel images. > > Prov

Re: NMUers: STOP BEING STUPID

2001-04-24 Thread Petr Cech
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 11:07:20AM +0300 , Richard Braakman wrote: > In that case the right "repository" could be a bugreport to the package > involved. That way the diff submission is guaranteed. If the diff turns though this doesn't catch broken build environment :(( like XF4.0.3 or obsolete s

Re: NMUers: STOP BEING STUPID

2001-04-24 Thread Richard Braakman
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 11:32:42AM +0200, Arthur Korn wrote: > Richard Braakman schrieb: > > In that case the right "repository" could be a bugreport to the package > > involved. That way the diff submission is guaranteed. > > I agree with you that _something_ has to be done about > catastrophal

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:20:43PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The thing is, by including all these headers, you're helping break stuff for > > everyone. But you're also helping a small percentage of people who don't > > FUD. Show me what's actually b

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:21:28PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:18:42PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > > I can understand why you might say that that's a valid point, but IMHO, we > > shouldn't fuck up current users (by overloading mirrors), just so we can > > support LA

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