Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org writes:
and documentation all over the place that assumes the Debian
default is Exim
I think that's a weakness that should be addressed regardless of what
happens with the default.
[Of course changing defaults is one way to force the issue a bit, but of
Quoting Steve Langasek (vor...@debian.org):
My point is precisely that I don't think there are any salient technical
advantages of one over the other. Either postfix or exim4 meets our needs
for a default MTA, and both have packages that appear to be well-supported
by their maintainers and
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 07:35:18AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
* We can set the architecture and default flags (from policy) on the
makefile to be included, and packagers will be able to do the change
and fix any possible problems (progressive opt-in), but once it's
included by all
On Sun, May 10, 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
I'm really surprised to see this approach getting traction. To me, this
seems like a significant, unprecedented departure from the kinds of
interfaces we've mandated in Policy in the past (i.e., environment
variables, executables and command-line
On Fri, 08 May 2009, David Weinehall wrote:
No. But we do leave /usr read-only the rest of the time, which
is often 99.999% of the time. A separate /usr is required for this.
Uhm, no?
mount --bind /usr /usr
First, you'd need a RO bind mount (yes, it exists, but your command
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 07:00:25PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 09:47:56PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote:
As a practical matter, downgrading these dependencies will cause
aptitude and other package managers to believe that the documentation
is unnecessary and
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Miriam Ruiz little_m...@yahoo.es
* Package name: area2048
Version : 1.03
Upstream Author : Jumpei Isshiki ads00...@nifty.com
* URL : http://homepage2.nifty.com/isshiki/prog_win_d.html
* License : BSD
Programming Lang:
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Filippo Giunchedi fili...@debian.org
* Package name: obexd
Version : 1.5
Upstream Author : Marcel Holtmann mar...@holtmann.org
* URL : http://www.bluez.org/
* License : GPL, LGPL
Programming Lang: C, Python
On Saturday 09 May 2009 00:58:56 Russ Allbery wrote:
Wouldn't our users expect to get the documentation
with many of these packages by default? Normally you do get some
documentation with things, and I've always been surprised by, say, ntp
not including any documentation without installing a
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 06:49:38PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org
was heard to say:
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 09:47:56PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote:
As a practical matter, downgrading these dependencies will cause
aptitude and other package managers to believe that the
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 02:58:56PM -0700, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org was
heard to say:
I think that lintian warning is the right way to do it.
I don't -- I think there are too many false positives for a lintian
warning given the thread. I also think this is fundamentally going in
the
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 06:55:43PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org
was heard to say:
I don't think that the mere fact that we changed the default behavior
of apt-get/aptitude should get in the way of that maintainer's
choice. If we used to live in a world where, by maintainer choice,
Am Sonntag 10 Mai 2009 17:36:25 schrieb Filippo Giunchedi:
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Filippo Giunchedi fili...@debian.org
* Package name: obexd
Version : 1.5
Upstream Author : Marcel Holtmann mar...@holtmann.org
* URL : http://www.bluez.org/
*
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:39:21AM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote:
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 06:55:43PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli
z...@debian.org was heard to say:
I don't think that the mere fact that we changed the default behavior
of apt-get/aptitude should get in the way of that maintainer's
On Sun, 10 May 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
I'm really surprised to see this approach getting traction. To me, this
seems like a significant, unprecedented departure from the kinds of
interfaces we've mandated in Policy in the past (i.e., environment
variables, executables and command-line
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 09:54:11PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Sun, 10 May 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
I'm really surprised to see this approach getting traction. To me, this
seems like a significant, unprecedented departure from the kinds of
interfaces we've mandated in Policy in the
On Sunday 10 May 2009 13:56:04 Steve Langasek wrote:
I thought it was generally recognized that it's a Bad Idea to implement
config files using your interpreter's 'include' functionality, but that's
basically what we have here.
Guillem pointed out one problem: Either you do it via a make
Peter Eisentraut pet...@debian.org writes:
On Saturday 09 May 2009 00:58:56 Russ Allbery wrote:
Wouldn't our users expect to get the documentation with many of these
packages by default? Normally you do get some documentation with
things, and I've always been surprised by, say, ntp not
Hi,
On Sonntag, 10. Mai 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
With the include approach, we lack this feature and bad/broken local
overrides can't be detected if we only have the build log at hand.
which reminds me that we dont have build logs for probably a lot more than 25%
(*) of the most used
On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 23:37 +0300, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
On Sunday 10 May 2009 13:56:04 Steve Langasek wrote:
I thought it was generally recognized that it's a Bad Idea to implement
config files using your interpreter's 'include' functionality, but that's
basically what we have here.
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 08:51:33AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
On Fri, 08 May 2009, David Weinehall wrote:
No. But we do leave /usr read-only the rest of the time, which
is often 99.999% of the time. A separate /usr is required for this.
Uhm, no?
mount
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:37:46PM +0300, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
On Sunday 10 May 2009 13:56:04 Steve Langasek wrote:
I thought it was generally recognized that it's a Bad Idea to implement
config files using your interpreter's 'include' functionality, but that's
basically what we have
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Kristis Makris mk...@mkgnu.net
* Package name: scmbug
Version : 0.26.14
Upstream Author : Kristis Makris kristis.mak...@asu.edu
* URL : http://www.mkgnu.net/scmbug
* License : GPL
Programming Lang: Perl
Description
Daniel Burrows wrote:
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 02:58:56PM -0700, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org was
heard to say:
I think that lintian warning is the right way to do it.
I don't -- I think there are too many false positives for a lintian
warning given the thread. I also think this is
On Tue, 5 May 2009 17:36:02 +0200
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
I have been told by upstream maintainers of one of my packages and by
prominent developers of other distributions that supporting a
standalone /usr is too much work and no other distribution worth
mentioning does it (not
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:37:46PM +0300, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
On Sunday 10 May 2009 13:56:04 Steve Langasek wrote:
I thought it was generally recognized that it's a Bad Idea to implement
config files using your interpreter's 'include'
Bill Allombert bill.allomb...@math.u-bordeaux1.fr writes:
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 09:54:11PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Sun, 10 May 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
I'm really surprised to see this approach getting traction. To me, this
seems like a significant, unprecedented departure
Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org writes:
Hi,
On Sonntag, 10. Mai 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
With the include approach, we lack this feature and bad/broken local
overrides can't be detected if we only have the build log at hand.
which reminds me that we dont have build logs for
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org writes:
On Fri, 08 May 2009, David Weinehall wrote:
No. But we do leave /usr read-only the rest of the time, which
is often 99.999% of the time. A separate /usr is required for this.
Uhm, no?
mount --bind /usr /usr
First, you'd
Roger Lynn ro...@rilynn.demon.co.uk writes:
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 07:00:25PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 09:47:56PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote:
As a practical matter, downgrading these dependencies will cause
aptitude and other package managers to believe
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 06:14:34PM -0400, Travis Crump wrote:
If the documentation is something designed to be viewed in a web browser
and the user has broadband, it is arguably easier to find it on the web.
Even knowing precisely where it is[/usr/share/doc/aptitude is it -doc
or just
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 02:02:47AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Debuild already creates a build log. I think it would be nice to
include that file in the changes file and have DAK forward it to
buildd.debian.org for archival. git-buildpackage, svn-buildpackage,
... or even
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Lucas J. González lu...@lucasj.es
* Package name: localwebfaker
Version : 1.0
Upstream Author : Lucas J. González lu...@lucasj.es
* URL : http://localwebfaker.lucasj.es/
* License : GPL-3
Programming Lang: C++
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 06:14:34PM -0400, Travis Crump wrote:
If the documentation is something designed to be viewed in a web browser
and the user has broadband, it is arguably easier to find it on the web.
Even knowing precisely where it
Hi All:
I have been maintaining a contrib package which, unfortunately, depends on
a non-free package, pgplot5, to be built. This invariably causes problems
because contrib packages are autobuilt by the normal buildd network and
some, not all, of the buildd machines do not include the
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote:
Debuild already creates a build log. I think it would be nice to
include that file in the changes file and have DAK forward it to
buildd.debian.org for archival. git-buildpackage, svn-buildpackage,
... or even
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 11:31:07PM +0200, Jens Peter Secher wrote:
+1 for ssmtp
I found ssmtp couldn't cope with mail my various systems were
generating, something about fixed maximum buffer lengths from memory.
Not to mention http://bugs.debian.org/508759.
The fact that a simple MTA can have
Package: wnpp
Owner: Robert S. Edmonds edmo...@debian.org
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: protobuf-c
Version : 0.10
Upstream Author : Dave Benson
* URL : http://protobuf-c.googlecode.com/
* License : Apache 2.0
Programming Lang: C, C++
Description :
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 06:14:34PM -0400, Travis Crump wrote:
If the documentation is something designed to be viewed in a web browser
and the user has broadband, it is arguably easier to find it on the web.
Even knowing precisely where it
On Sun, May 10 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 07:35:18AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
* We can set the architecture and default flags (from policy) on the
makefile to be included, and packagers will be able to do the change
and fix any possible problems (progressive
On Tue, 5 May 2009 17:36:02 +0200
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
I have been told by upstream maintainers of one of my packages and
by prominent developers of other distributions that supporting a
standalone /usr is too much work and no other distribution worth
mentioning does it
On Sun, May 10 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Sun, 10 May 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
I'm really surprised to see this approach getting traction. To me, this
seems like a significant, unprecedented departure from the kinds of
interfaces we've mandated in Policy in the past (i.e.,
On Sun, May 10 2009, Miles Bader wrote:
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org writes:
and documentation all over the place that assumes the Debian
default is Exim
I think that's a weakness that should be addressed regardless of what
happens with the default.
[Of course changing defaults is
On Sun, May 10 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 10:22:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, May 09 2009, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Sat, 09 May 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
My point is precisely that I don't think there are any salient
technical advantages of one
On Sun, May 10 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:37:46PM +0300, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
On Sunday 10 May 2009 13:56:04 Steve Langasek wrote:
I thought it was generally recognized that it's a Bad Idea to implement
config files using your interpreter's 'include'
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 13:15 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
Hi Ritesh,
thank you for your suggestion on how to improve Debian! Even though I'm
closing this bug on the assumption that it ain't useful to report arbitary
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Urgency: low
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