On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Josh Triplett wrote:
Why, when it's just an apt install at away? It's one more running
daemon. Realistically, what fraction of Debian users actually invoke
at, ever, and of those, what fraction will be deeply disturbed by having
to install it first?
The
On May 05, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote:
I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that
Me too.
Let's look at the problem from a different point of view. This is what
I remove when building cloud images for my employer's infrastructure:
dpkg --purge \
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On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
On Tue May 05, 2015 at 20:45:09 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
* Packages currently at important:
- cron:
Not needed in chroot/container environments.
- demote to standard
RC.
| important
| Important programs, including
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On Wed, 6 May 2015 10:11:02 +0200
Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote:
Neil Williams, le Wed 06 May 2015 08:56:38 +0100, a écrit :
Ports which take so long to develop that a stable release is
deemed unlikely will also struggle. That is a problem caused by that
port, not by the
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On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 5:21:14 AM EEST, Wookey wrote:
+++ Samuel Thibault [2015-05-06 01:09 +0200]:
Ansgar Burchardt, le Tue 05 May 2015 20:45:09 +0200, a écrit :
- info, texinfo, install-info:
I admit having used info only in desperation. Most documentation
comes in man
Neil Williams, le Wed 06 May 2015 09:47:36 +0100, a écrit :
Lack of widespread interest in any particular port is a problem with
that port not having widespread appeal.
And lack of helping maintainers will entail a lack of working stuff in
the port, and thus a more difficult appeal, and the
Hi,
On Tue May 05, 2015 at 20:45:09 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
* Packages currently at important:
- cron:
Not needed in chroot/container environments.
- demote to standard
RC.
| important
| Important programs, including those which one would expect to find on
| any
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On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Neil Williams wrote:
You've admitted that the port cannot keep pace because it needs changes
to be made by maintainers who do not see the port as a particular
priority and that this blocks or impedes further changes. You've
tried and failed to increase the
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On May 06, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
That said, as mentioned in my response, I think rsyslog ought to stay
important
until something else replaces it. Logging of *some* kind is important.
We have journald. :-)
Why, when it's just an apt install at away? It's one more
On May 06, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote:
But is this enough reason to keep w3m at priority standard? Personally I
would rather use ssh -D or such than bothering with a rather limited
text-mode browser.
Agreed.
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Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote:
Neil Williams, le Wed 06 May 2015 09:47:36 +0100, a écrit :
Lack of widespread interest in any particular port is a problem with
that port not having widespread appeal.
And lack of helping maintainers will
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
cron is part of POSIX.
The problem here is what the expectations of an experienced UNIX person are...
Perhaps unix/posix tasks would satisfy such folks.
--
bye,
pabs
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On Tue, 05 May 2015 23:36:32 +0100
peter green plugw...@p10link.net wrote:
Perhaps we need a political decision here?
When considering maintainers not directly involved in the port,
motivation for doing work which only helps a particular port tends to
be easier to find when the objective
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Quoting Paul Wise (2015-05-06 08:17:58)
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Josh Triplett wrote:
Why, when it's just an apt install at away? It's one more running
daemon. Realistically, what fraction of Debian users actually invoke
at, ever, and of those, what fraction will be deeply
On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 07:51:57AM +0200, Alexandre Detiste wrote:
Le mardi 5 mai 2015, 21:02:14 Josh Triplett a écrit :
Paul Wise wrote:
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:45 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
- cron:
Not needed in chroot/container environments.
- demote to
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Neil Williams, le Wed 06 May 2015 08:56:38 +0100, a écrit :
Ports which take so long to develop that a stable release is
deemed unlikely will also struggle. That is a problem caused by that
port, not by the project or other maintainers.
Not only. A typical scenario that does happen and can
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Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes:
- cron:
Not needed in chroot/container environments.
- demote to standard
A lot of packages ship cron jobs, I guess this means they will need to
depend on cron?
They already have to depend on cron if it is required for proper
operation (or
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On Wed, 6 May 2015 12:49:44 +0200
Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote:
Neil Williams, le Wed 06 May 2015 11:39:29 +0100, a écrit :
It's not at all that the maintainers are lazy or that those
maintainers could have done anything differently. Those maintainers
have their workloads and
On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 06:26:19PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
cron is part of POSIX.
The problem here is what the expectations of an experienced UNIX person
are...
Perhaps unix/posix tasks
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Neil Williams, le Wed 06 May 2015 11:39:29 +0100, a écrit :
It's not at all that the maintainers are lazy or that those
maintainers could have done anything differently. Those maintainers
have their workloads and have made an assessment of their priorities.
I'm sorry I have to disagree here.
On 2015-05-06 12:21:14 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
cron is part of POSIX.
The problem here is what the expectations of an experienced UNIX person
are... I hopefully count as having some experience, but I don't expect
cron to be available
On Wed, 6 May 2015 18:18:34 +0800
Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Neil Williams wrote:
You've admitted that the port cannot keep pace because it needs
changes to be made by maintainers who do not see the port as a
particular priority and that this blocks
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Neil Williams wrote:
Maintainers should help porters for release architectures wherever
possible - for non-release architectures, that really isn't something
you can do anything about except do the work yourselves.
One could argue the same for the official
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Hi,
On Wed May 06, 2015 at 14:09:30 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
Note that I believe this has changed over time: with the advent of VMs
and containers the expectations what a system should minimally provide
have become smaller.
I'll not comment on where I see emacs and vim ;)
But
On Wed, 6 May 2015 18:26:19 +0800
Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
cron is part of POSIX.
The problem here is what the expectations of an experienced UNIX
person are...
Perhaps
On May 06, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote:
Note that I believe this has changed over time: with the advent of VMs
and containers the expectations what a system should minimally provide
have become smaller.
The differences between VMs and normal servers are very small, limited
only
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On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 02:21:06PM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
ed needs to go back into important, so we can drop the other editors? /joke
We have vim-tiny in important, which provides ex, aka mostly ed.
Bastian
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On 2015-05-06 11:21:13 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
dpkg --purge \
discover discover-data libdiscover2 installation-report laptop-detect \
nano tasksel tasksel-data task-english acpi acpid acpi-support-base \
isc-dhcp-client isc-dhcp-common eject \
nfacct libmnl0 libnetfilter-acct1
On 2015-05-06 11:21:13 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On May 05, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote:
- nfacct:
No idea why this is at Priority: important.
- demote to optional
Even extra... This is a very niche package and I have no idea why it is
being installed
On May 06, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote:
So, no, there isn't something broken - the uploader needs to file the
bug as set out in the developer reference.
And please have this fixed in stable as well.
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On Wednesday, May 06, 2015 01:05:20 PM Alastair McKinstry wrote:
* Package name: autosubmit
Please use a more specific package name for such a specialised package.
Thank you!
Thomas Koch
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On 2015-05-06 11:21:13 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On May 05, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote:
- nfacct:
No idea why this is at Priority: important.
- demote to optional
Even extra...
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Aurelien Jarno dixit:
- debian-ports uses mini-dak instead of dak. It uses less resources and
brings some features that are useful for new architectures like
accepting binary uploads when it improves the version even if it is
not the
Neil Williams, le Wed 06 May 2015 11:39:29 +0100, a écrit :
If the wave simply moves on, leaving the port behind, it is harder to
accept, very hard to regain momentum and high time that the porters
ask themselves the hard question of whether it is worthwhile to
continue, as the crest of the
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