Re: merged /usr

2021-08-12 Thread Marco d'Itri
Implementations with real /bin /sbin /lib* directories and symlink farms are not useful because they would negate the major benefits of merged-/usr, i.e. the ability of sharing and independently updating /usr. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Work-needing packages report for Aug 13, 2021

2021-08-12 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 1225 (new: 0) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 204 (new: 0) Total number of packages reques

Re: Arch triplet for uefi applications

2021-08-12 Thread Guillem Jover
On Tue, 2021-08-10 at 12:34:18 +, Bastien Roucariès wrote: > I am going to compile shell.efi from source. > > I whish to install to something stable, but I need an arch triplet > in order to put in a multiarch (like) location. Multiarch-based pathnames should only be used by multiarch-conform

Re: merged /usr

2021-08-12 Thread Guillem Jover
On Tue, 2021-07-27 at 13:23:46 -0400, Calum McConnell wrote: > > Of course, having to unnecessarily add more maintainer scripts to > > handle something that dpkg can do perfectly fine on its own > > TL;DR: merged-usr-via-symlink-farms cannot be done without changing dpkg, In my mind that's "false

git workflows (was: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :()

2021-08-12 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Romain, others, On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 02:06PM +02, Romain Porte wrote: > I think this is a major point. I am a new Debian contributor after a > good time of ArchLinux PKGBUILD writing. I find Debian technically > superior on the packaging side, and would not trade it for PKGBUILD. But > the

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-12 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Andreas Tille (2021-08-12 23:06:47) > On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 02:06:37PM +0200, Romain Porte wrote: > > Maintainers like their freedoms, but enforcing some tools at some > > point could make it easier for everyone to contribute and not > > relearn the packaging process for every package,

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-12 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 02:06:37PM +0200, Romain Porte wrote: > > Looking at Arch, one workflow, one way to package, one init system, etc. > > Looking at Fedora, one workflow, one way to package, one init system. > > I think this is a major point. I am a new Debian contributor after a > good

Bug#992133: ITP: firebird4.0 -- Firebird RDBMS (version 4.0)

2021-08-12 Thread Damyan Ivanov
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Damyan Ivanov X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: firebird4.0 Version : 4.0.0.2496 Upstream Author : Firebird developers (firebird-de...@lists.sourceforge.net) * URL : https://www.firebirdsql.org/ * Licens

Re: Figuring how to work with team-maintained packages on salsa

2021-08-12 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Helmut, On Sun 06 Jun 2021 at 09:58PM +02, Helmut Grohne wrote: > There is another issue affecting me, that may derail from the original > topic. When I work with packages I tend to fix bugs that are reported by > some CI system on unstable. When I dgit clone, I may get the unstable > versi

Re: Seeking feedback on a meta package builder

2021-08-12 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Fri 04 Jun 2021 at 06:39PM +02, Helmut Grohne wrote: > Hi Sean, > > On Thu, Jun 03, 2021 at 04:47:44PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: >> dgit wraps some of the existing tools. While dgit is mainly for humans, >> one role it can have in automated toolchains is producing an ephemeral >> sour

Re: Debian package manager privilege escalation attack

2021-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Philipp Kern writes: > You know that this is a bad idea (granting sudo to apt without a > wrapper). I know that this is a bad idea. That was my point. Plus that > this is a very common trope in multi-user settings that you want to hand > out some privilege to install packages. Right, but this is

Re: Debian package manager privilege escalation attack

2021-08-12 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2021-08-12 17:56, Marc Haber wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 13:44:24 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2021-08-12 12:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: Now if people start doing stuff they don't master than it's not privilege escalation but much more something like another manifestation o

Re: Debian package manager privilege escalation attack

2021-08-12 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 01:19:23PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > if those users are not trustworthy than the bug is giving them sudo, > nothing else. (Debian does not give sudo to users by default. The default > is to set a root password.) > > if you give someone a gun for hunting (animals) and th

Re: Debian package manager privilege escalation attack

2021-08-12 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 13:44:24 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: >On 2021-08-12 12:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >> Now if people start doing stuff they don't master than it's not >> privilege escalation but much more something like another manifestation >> of human stupidity. And this, there

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-12 Thread Romain Porte
Hi, 11/08/2021 16:08, Vincent Bernat : > I think we have more systemic issues. I am quite impressed how Nix/NixOS > is able to pull so many packages and modules with so few people. But > they use only one workflow, one way to package, one init system, etc. > Looking at Arch, one workflow, one way

Re: Debian package manager privilege escalation attack

2021-08-12 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 01:12:37AM -0500, Brian Thompson wrote: > Would you agree that there is an issue with sudo access that is enabled > by default on most Debian and Debian-based distributions? The bug may > not be in apt, but it definitely lives somewhere. if those users are not trustworthy t

Re: Debian package manager privilege escalation attack

2021-08-12 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
> The focus of the article is "sudo access *only* to apt". When we talk > about unrestricted sudo access it doesn't even make sense to talk about > privilege escalation because unrestricted sudo is by design a privilege > escalation. Similarly, sudo access *only* to bash enables execution of loads

Re: Debian package manager privilege escalation attack

2021-08-12 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 08:35:42AM -0400, Kyle Edwards wrote: > > > > I just ran across this article > > > > https://blog.ikuamike.io/posts/2021/package_managers_privesc/ I tested > > > > the attacks on Debian 11 and they work successfully giving me a root > > > > shell prompt. > > > I don't think

Re: Debian package manager privilege escalation attack

2021-08-12 Thread Kyle Edwards
On 8/12/21 2:32 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote: ❦ 12 August 2021 10:39 +05, Andrey Rahmatullin: I just ran across this article https://blog.ikuamike.io/posts/2021/package_managers_privesc/ I tested the attacks on Debian 11 and they work successfully giving me a root shell prompt. I don't think cal

Re: Arch triplet for uefi applications

2021-08-12 Thread Bastien Roucariès
Le jeudi 12 août 2021, 10:16:45 UTC Bastien Roucariès a écrit : > Le jeudi 12 août 2021, 09:52:53 UTC Bastien Roucariès a écrit : > > Le mercredi 11 août 2021, 14:00:37 UTC Steve McIntyre a écrit : > > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 03:19:10PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > > > >Bastien Roucariès wrote:

Re: Debian package manager privilege escalation attack

2021-08-12 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 08:32:14AM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 12 August 2021 10:39 +05, Andrey Rahmatullin: > >> I just ran across this article > >> https://blog.ikuamike.io/posts/2021/package_managers_privesc/ I tested > >> the attacks on Debian 11 and they work successfully giving me a roo

Re: Debian package manager privilege escalation attack

2021-08-12 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2021-08-12 12:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: Now if people start doing stuff they don't master than it's not privilege escalation but much more something like another manifestation of human stupidity. And this, there won't be a number of article sufficient to make people change. [

Re: Debian package manager privilege escalation attack

2021-08-12 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-08-12 2:25 a.m., Brian Thompson wrote: > On Thu, 2021-08-12 at 11:19 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 01:12:37AM -0500, Brian Thompson wrote: >>> Would you agree that there is an issue with sudo access that is >>> enabled >>> by default on most Debian and Deb

Re: Arch triplet for uefi applications

2021-08-12 Thread Bastien Roucariès
Le jeudi 12 août 2021, 09:52:53 UTC Bastien Roucariès a écrit : > Le mercredi 11 août 2021, 14:00:37 UTC Steve McIntyre a écrit : > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 03:19:10PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > > >Bastien Roucariès wrote: > > >> I am going to compile shell.efi from source. > > >> > > >> I whi

Re: Arch triplet for uefi applications

2021-08-12 Thread Bastien Roucariès
Le mercredi 11 août 2021, 14:00:37 UTC Steve McIntyre a écrit : > On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 03:19:10PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > >Bastien Roucariès wrote: > >> I am going to compile shell.efi from source. > >> > >> I whish to install to something stable, but I need an arch triplet in > >> order

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-12 Thread Pirate Praveen
2021, ഓഗസ്റ്റ് 12 8:51:55 AM IST, Timothy M Butterworth ൽ എഴുതി >I am fine with Debian's release cycle but It would be nice to see more >packages. For example Debian is missing KDE's Amarok music manager. I >am happy to see Debian 11 gained KDE Elisa music manager. I am sad to >see that Virtual

Re: Debian package manager privilege escalation attack

2021-08-12 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2021-08-12 08:32, Vincent Bernat wrote: ❦ 12 August 2021 10:39 +05, Andrey Rahmatullin: I just ran across this article https://blog.ikuamike.io/posts/2021/package_managers_privesc/ I tested the attacks on Debian 11 and they work successfully giving me a root shell prompt. I don't think cal

Re: Debian package manager privilege escalation attack

2021-08-12 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 12 August 2021 10:31 +02, Ansgar: >> I give myself password less sudo to "apt update" (without additional >> options), "apt upgrade" (same), "apt full-upgrade" (same). I was >> thinking this should be safe, but now I need to check if the pager is >> properly restricted when displaying NEWS file

Bug#992124: ITP: puppet-module-mistral -- Puppet module for OpenStack Mistral

2021-08-12 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: puppet-module-mistral Version : 18.4.0 Upstream Author : OpenStack Discuss * URL : https://opendev.org/openstack/puppet-mistral * License : Apach

Re: Debian package manager privilege escalation attack

2021-08-12 Thread Ansgar
On Thu, 2021-08-12 at 08:32 +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > I give myself password less sudo to "apt update" (without additional > options), "apt upgrade" (same), "apt full-upgrade" (same). I was > thinking this should be safe, but now I need to check if the pager is > properly restricted when displ