On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 08:54:26AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013, Colin Watson wrote:
> > This is cleaner than any of the other options I've come up with: it
> > doesn't require hardcoding a list of "toolchain packages" that have
> >
me" safe. (Note how /usr/include/bits is only
shipped by the multi*lib* packages, e.g. libc6-dev-amd64.)
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natively-built packages would catch a majority of the problems.
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chitecture. (I haven't run into many of these, since I
cross-build from amd64 to armhf and they're fairly different.)
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Also potentially x32.
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last week). Now that I know where to find the branches that need to be
changed it would be easy for me to add support for profiles as well once
they're agreed elsewhere, and I'm motivated to do so.
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fields added to them to make a full bootstrap from zero
> possible. If the Gentoo USE flags were not too far off and assuming or
> tools do the correct thing so far, then:
>
> - the number of source packages that has to be modified with the new
>fields is at maxi
x86_64-linux-gnu/bits
dpkg hasn't forgotten about the files under that; it just knows about
them under another name.
This is unrelated to Paul's problem.
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you could at least boot the installer
with apt-setup/multiarch=i386.
I think that apt-setup/multiarch=i386 should be the default on amd64;
but I'm less sure that I could convince anyone that that deserves a
freeze exception.
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s that are part of groff are licensed under GPL
v3 or later, even if they also bear other licences. There is a specific
clarification of this in groff/debian/copyright.
Please check the other packages you listed manually before filing any
bug reports.
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OK, so remove the top-down bit where admin@alioth has to decide stuff
about who gets to be a maintainer.
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while that installation is done with --force-depends, I still think it
would be worth keeping its dependency tree as trivial as possible.
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> - Reduce the set of "does not ne
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 07:18:25PM +, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> Colin Watson
>info2man
This had been filed as #652499, but I'd been holding off uploading the
fix while I figured out a problem with some horrible elderly code that
caused info2man to do nothing useful at all
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erly untrue. GRUB 2 is a GNU project and is
actively developed upstream independently from Debian, although there
have certainly been various Debian developers involved over the years.
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of 3.0 (quilt).
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 01:54:02PM +, Nick Leverton wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:19:40PM +0000, Colin Watson wrote:
> > Packages in level 2 build-depend on packages in level 1 (and so on up
> > the stack), so in general level 1 needs to be built before level 2.
> >
l 2 ?
Packages in level 2 build-depend on packages in level 1 (and so on up
the stack), so in general level 1 needs to be built before level 2.
(This is mostly only of practical interest to people managing these
transitions, though.)
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On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 08:48:20PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2011-10-20 14:05 +0200, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:06:20PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
> >> Colin Watson
> >>spectemu
> >
> > Fixed in 0.94a-13, thanks.
>
>
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> Colin Watson
>spectemu
Fixed in 0.94a-13, thanks.
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I don't have links for you (in many cases they're people turning up on
IRC for support and the like), but the idea that BIOS vendors routinely
bother to fix these kinds of bugs seems to be a myth.
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ckage will be a win
because you will sometimes be able to avoid the build time for the
language bindings entirely.
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at least would have no grounds for doing so if you get it right ...
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have 0.7~alpha5+really0.6.15 in unstable, but for the purposes of
working out what bugs may be expected to be fixed, you should treat it
as if it were simply 0.6.15.
If you want to try out fixes from 0.7~alpha4, you should install the
ifupdown package from experimental instead.
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> #include
> * Colin Watson [Mon, Aug 22 2011, 09:27:25AM]:
> > I don't want to add more linkage, especially in light of Adam's point
> > about xz not being worth it for most manual pages anyway.
>
out xz not being worth it for most manual pages anyway.
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go as far as commercial software for that; inews is
the traditional name for the program NNTP clients use to inject articles
into the netnews (Usenet) system. Nowadays it's a virtual package
provided by inn2-inews, but i-news is still uncomfortably close to that.
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http://
t calling
it 'newsrssticker' or 'news-rss-ticker' instead?
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gnificantly more bandwidth-efficient to download Packages
files for multiple architectures. Obviously this only works correctly
if descriptions are identical across architectures (which is,
fortunately, mostly true).
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> chown, chmod), I'd like to point out that you may as well just use
> install -d, and do it all in one step.
Provided your init script guaranteeably runs after /usr is mounted, yes.
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is the
> existence of badly broken programs³, which make stupid assumptions
> about lockfiles.
What about programs that need to write lock files which are already
setgid something else? I don't have an example off the top of my head,
but it would surprise me if there were none of these.
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is what we really want to reach,
and that binaries uploaded to the real Debian archive still need to have
all those build-dependencies in place.
I think Wookey indicated that there was at least one case where more
than one stage is required, in which case Build-Recommends does not
really seem to sol
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 02:50:32PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2011, Colin Watson wrote:
> > Can you quantify that? I don't have hard numbers for the non-Debian
> > systems where people report running debootstrap; perhaps you do ...
>
> Nope, sorry.
...
> I guess that a first step is to have an xz udeb...
No. busybox already has an unxz applet, so if we choose to do this then
we should enable that applet in busybox-udeb, not add a separate udeb.
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On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 05:07:52AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 11:33 +0800, YunQiang Su wrote:
> > When update to grub-pc 1.99-8, it write my MBR, then I report a bug.
> >
> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631224
> >
> &g
n place and never upgraded them, as you
suggest in #631224, then I guarantee you that other things would break;
it would be disastrously bad for users. We therefore try to upgrade
installed versions of GRUB to match the current installed package.
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> But once upgrade Ubuntu, the MBR is taken place, and once then upgrade
> Debian, it's back.
'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' on the Ubuntu side, then - it's not that
comp
e it to
install nowhere, although this does require explicit confirmation.
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Description : pipeline manipulation library
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Upstream Author : Peter Jones
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Programming Lang: C
Description : dump information about bootable CDs
ss to fixing the issue.
>
> I still feel this is an overreaction as only the original reporter has ever
> seen the issue in practice. No one else has ever reported being affected
> by the issue. The described use case requires an combination of factors
> which is quite unlikely to
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 09:36:54AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:22:35PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > There've been several bootloader-related threads here of late, and
> > grub2, lilo, and syslinux all seem to have fairly active work happenin
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:56:45PM +0200, Joachim Wiedorn wrote:
> Colin Watson wrote on 2010-06-21 22:22:
> > There've been several bootloader-related threads here of late, and
> > grub2, lilo, and syslinux all seem to have fairly active work happening
> > on them. (F
begins with 'linux-image-' and
> do nothing in this case. [Is this sensible or is it too 'clever'?]
Sensible, I think. There's no point running update-grub three times.
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inst is already a bash script; skipping
> script grub-pc.postrm is already a bash script; skipping
> script grub-pc.prerm is already a bash script; skipping
Check your conclusion - maintainer scripts are not required for booting,
only for installing the pac
easier to bisect any new bugs.
In short: my apologies that it's ended up in such a state. However, I
think I will have time to at least deal with the RC bugs, and hopefully
a number more (including e.g. the btrfs probing bug). I wouldn't
complain about help though!
(CCs welcom
explosions.
+Forwarded: http://lists.example.com/2010/03/1234.html
+Author: John Doe
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http://bzr.example.com/frobnicator/trunk/revision/123
+Last-Update: 2010-03-29
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to use this to edit /etc/fstab. (This seems to be
partially covered by #572733.)
(You could of course work around my objections by using a dynamic GID
and an init script, but I agree with you that that is not so desirable.)
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Ben is replying to a BTS notification that many of these bugs were
upgraded to severity 'serious' by Clint Adams.
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For good measure, I've also added PuTTY to the pkg-ssh repository. If
any other maintainers of SSH implementations in Debian are interested in
joining this project, please get in touch.
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g is that not even sensible-pager implements $PAGER as a
pipeline, and thus it seems to me that we systemically don't support
this facility. If we want to support that, we're talking about changes
to more than just man-db; I expect there are packages other than
sensible-
y the desktop
> environments would not be able to intercept it.
Excellent idea, thanks; I'm looking into doing this now.
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ranslation problem in some ways, with the added wrinkle that really, we
only want to migrate custom entries. Anything that's basically a
modified version of one of the system-provided entries would be *much*
better catered for by making the appropriate adjustments to
/etc/default/grub and letting t
tem(); over the last few years I taught it how to handle
pipelined command execution itself, which fixed a wide variety of
interesting bugs. As a result, though, pipes in $PAGER and other things
that man-db interprets stopped being supported.)
For the meantime, I've simply documented the cons
t the
installer team has time to maintain as we already have enough to do with
one graphical frontend.
Right now, fixing the Perl Qt4 bindings and updating the existing
debconf "KDE" frontend (it really just uses Qt, but such is its
historical name) seems to be the preferable approach by a l
They aren't suitable for programs that have
completely different functions but whose names happen to clash.
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much rather that debian-med's program change its name since they seem to
be willing to do so.
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before saying things like "triggers have done more harm than good".
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r; when deluser is called on a system user,
remove the calling package from the list, and only delete the user if
the list becomes empty.
The difficulty, of course, is how to get there from here ...
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x27;ve included some figures for man-db, as an example below (*3). (Thanks
> to Colin Watson who maintain that other feature Joe User will never
> notice).
I understand that this was just an example and that most of the problem
here seems to be in the wording, but, for what it's worth,
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 01:45:25AM +0200, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> Am Di den 27. Mai 2008 um 1:09 schrieb Colin Watson:
> > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 09:15:57AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> > > The rollout of information and updates was appalling - even adding in
> > > t
ate to "Unknown (blacklist file not installed)" and added more
detailed documentation in the manual page.
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sent an earlier version of it upstream, but this is all very recent so
don't expect it to be in any releases yet!)
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On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 04:57:10PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote:
> Colin Watson wrote:
> > Yes, I've been seeing the same thing. It's usually just an irritation,
> > but I guess some day I'll hit a threshold and get unsubscribed from a
> > bunch of lists.
>
>
bly remove your subscription.
It would be nice if the mail indicated what that threshold is, so that
we know whether this is an immediate cause for concern. The FAQ merely
says "it depends" (with some details, but not enough to do an accurate
check), so perhaps the pr
c
group, and even if we eventually decide that we do want to turn it into
one then that's not a problem.
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If they want to deliberately start a program with reduced protection and
then type their password into it, then that's their (foolish) choice.
The point of this is so that processes started in good faith can't have
their memory inspected so easily later on.
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> such a group?
I think it was my suggestion to Martin in the first place, so no, I
don't have any objection. :-) I haven't been following the thread,
though - has there been general consensus on this?
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implemented, so that the warnings don't show up
> anymore.
Please leave lintian untouched in this regard; I don't expect that it
would take very long to backport the change in question.
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> as arguments. The overall situation is sufficiently bad that this can
> be used to prove *anything*.
I think the difference between the occasional vulnerability in GNU tar
and a system that is designed to operate by executing arbitrary
marginally-tr
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 12:32:29AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:10:32PM +, brian m. carlson wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 09:30:55PM +0000, Colin Watson wrote:
> > >man-db really does have some special-casing here. Trust me. It was
> >
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:10:32PM +, brian m. carlson wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 09:30:55PM +0000, Colin Watson wrote:
> >On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 09:21:41PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> >man-db really does have some special-casing here. Trust me. It was
> >necessa
absurd, is to allow everyone to be kept sane when looking
> the log in 5 years forward.
I have never once run into this problem with other revision control
systems in which branching and merging are common. Somehow it just never
seems to be a real issue. I contend t
F-8'. The only workaround to this would be to rewrite glibc
> and locales, and it does not seem useful to me.
This is not a glibc bug. This is not a locales bug. This is a man-db
bug. I am both the Debian maintainer and the upstream maintainer and
the special-case recognition, I would instead completely
> skip special-casing and just treat all characters equally. Including, but
> not limited to, u013F and u0461.
Are you working with Brian M. Carlson on this? He has been working on a
solution acceptable to groff upstream, which is, fra
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 03:43:38PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> Colin Watson: telegnome
>
> If there is a package you love in that list, it'd be _really_ great to
> send patches to migrate them to gnome2/gtk2 libraries[0].
With the consent of the
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=250202
(The discussion is long, but has recent activity.)
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you can use its (often excellent) merge functionality to merge in
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an option, so that
if you knew you were fetching a trusted signed package from the Debian
archive then you could supply the option, and otherwise (say you were
examining a package provided by a sponsored developer whom you didn't
know very well) then you could o
f your
binary links against libgamin-1, the package will end up with a
dependency on libgamin0.
> But upstream author is not recommended to use libfam0 with this package,
> does anyone know what do to with this situation?
If you want to force libgamin0, link against libgamin-1 explicit
oth foobar(1) and foobar(5)
quite happily. man(1) has various documented ways to get at manual pages
that aren't the first one it finds.
Cheers,
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On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 04:07:27PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 02:33:40PM +0000, Colin Watson wrote:
> > Yes. Merge is liable to be trickier since there are a couple of
> > different possible sets of semantics, but that's much more likely to
n figure out which
patch system is in use and ..."). It embarrasses me that our
instructions to new Debian developers, not to mention third parties who
are keen to use their upstream experience to help Debian, have to
include this sort of cruft. If patch systems must stay around, I would
be
b/debug for real unstripped libraries. Shouldn't
> everyone use detached debugging symbols now, or is there really enough
> utility in building a separate debugging version libraries to warrant the
> additional user complexity of using them?
I understand from Matthias that Python
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