Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-25 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Ulrich, Ulrich Dangel wrote: On 07/25/12 02:15, Filipus Klutiero wrote: You don't seem to be in LDAP, nor in the keyring, so no, you're not, unless you're posting under some alias or similar. I am posting under an alias, but in any case, Debian's LDAP and keyring only contain

Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-24 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Scott Kitterman wrote: On Monday, July 23, 2012 11:00:37 PM Filipus Klutiero wrote: Which kind of idiotic distraction? The one where you continue this pointless thread. I don't think this thread is pointless; it is simply too noisy. If it isn't clear to you already let me try one more

Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-24 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Russ, Russ Allbery wrote: Filipus Klutierochea...@gmail.com writes: The second highest decision-making body in question is also our lowest conflict resolution body. I for one am not interested in reading the outcome of each small claims case. You have been heard. I've read all of

Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-24 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Filipus Klutiero You are not a Debian developer. I am. You don't seem to be in LDAP, nor in the keyring, so no, you're not, unless you're posting under some alias or similar. I am posting under an alias, but in any case, Debian's LDAP and keyring only

Re: Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-24 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Philipp, Philipp Kern wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:31:43PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Please try using complete sentences. While you're at it, constructive messages would be more productive than name-calling. If you think that your messages are constructive, well, you're wrong

Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-23 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Steve McIntyre wrote: Filipus Klutiero whined: Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 04:38:21PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: although publicity of some resolutions may indeed be useful for a wide range of developers, I fail to see many who would be interested

Re: Re: Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-23 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Steve Langasek wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 07:33:37PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 04:38:21PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 08:07:15PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote

Re: Re: Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-23 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Lars Wirzenius wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 07:49:50PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Hi Lars, Lars Wirzenius wrote: On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 04:38:21PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Hi Stefano, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 08:07:15PM -0400

Re: Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-22 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 04:38:21PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 08:07:15PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Thank you, but I would appreciate if debian-devel-announce would stay dedicated to important

Re: Re: Communication of technical committee decisions (Re: [CTTE#614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict)

2012-07-22 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Thibaut, Thibaut Paumard wrote: Le 21/07/12 22:35, Filipus Klutiero a écrit : Hi Arno, Arno Töll wrote: Hi, On 18.07.2012 02:07, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Thank you, but I would appreciate if debian-devel-announce would stay dedicated to important announcements which may

Re: Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-22 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Lars, Lars Wirzenius wrote: On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 04:38:21PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Hi Stefano, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 08:07:15PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Thank you, but I would appreciate if debian-devel-announce would stay

Re: Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-22 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Philipp, Philipp Kern wrote: On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 04:38:21PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 08:07:15PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Thank you, but I would appreciate if debian-devel-announce would stay dedicated

Communication of technical committee decisions (Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict)

2012-07-21 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Arno, Arno Töll wrote: Hi, On 18.07.2012 02:07, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Thank you, but I would appreciate if debian-devel-announce would stay dedicated to important announcements which may be useful for a wide range of developers. While you are right in general I beg to disagree

Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-21 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Stefano, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 08:07:15PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Thank you, but I would appreciate if debian-devel-announce would stay dedicated to important announcements which may be useful for a wide range of developers. tech-ctte resolutions do

Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-21 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Jonas, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: On 12-07-17 at 08:07pm, Filipus Klutiero wrote: On 2012-07-12 14:59, Don Armstrong wrote: === Resolution === The Technical Committee reaffirms the importance of preventing namespace collisions for programs in the distribution, while recognizing

Communication of the technical committee's decisions (Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict)

2012-07-21 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Russ Allbery wrote: Jonas Smedegaardd...@jones.dk writes: I believe the reason for targeting -announce as well was the initial part about a more general principle, preserved in my quoting above, which IMO does

Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-21 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Don, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2012, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Thank you, but I would appreciate if debian-devel-announce would stay dedicated to important announcements which may be useful for a wide range of developers. Because developers can override CTTE decisions, it's

Re: Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)))

2012-07-19 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2012-06-27 11:34, Filipus Klutiero wrote: On 2012-04-05 20:20, Filipus Klutiero wrote: This didn't generate as much feedback as I hoped, but I filed a ticket asking task-desktop to install synaptic: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=667703 Joey Hess changed tasks to bring

Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-17 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2012-07-12 14:59, Don Armstrong wrote: === Resolution === The Technical Committee reaffirms the importance of preventing namespace collisions for programs in the distribution, while recognizing that compatibility with upstreams and with previous Debian releases is also important and that

Re: NEWS.Debian entries intended for developers - backwards-incompatible changes in Perl HTML::Tree (Fwd: apt-listchanges news for vinci)

2012-07-16 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Henrique, On 2012-07-15 20:29, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2012, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Perl HTML::Tree 5 has backwards-incompatible interface changes. Version 5.00-1 added a NEWS.Debian entry to warn about that. As the ... migrated to testing and I upgraded my

NEWS.Debian entries intended for developers - backwards-incompatible changes in Perl HTML::Tree (Fwd: apt-listchanges news for vinci)

2012-07-15 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi, Perl HTML::Tree 5 has backwards-incompatible interface changes. Version 5.00-1 added a NEWS.Debian entry to warn about that. As the entry below shows, it is intended for developers (although it could actually make sense to warn users too that the interface is unversioned). But it also

MySQL is still in unstable (Re: Bug#593463 closed by Debian FTP Masters ftpmas...@ftp-master.debian.org (Bug#680362: Removed package(s) from unstable))

2012-07-10 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Alexander, On 2012-07-05 11:58, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: This is an automatic notification regarding your Bug report which was filed against the mysql-server-5.1 package: #593463: [phpmyadmin] Failed ALTER query reports success It has been closed by Debian FTP

Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)))

2012-06-27 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2012-04-05 20:20, Filipus Klutiero wrote: This didn't generate as much feedback as I hoped, but I filed a ticket asking task-desktop to install synaptic: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=667703 Joey Hess changed tasks to bring Synaptic in KDE, LXDE and Xfce. Only the GNOME

Apper instead of Synaptic for KDE (was Re: Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy))))

2012-06-27 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Matthias, On 2012-06-27 14:54, Matthias Klumpp wrote: Hi! How odd that I didn't notice that bug... (I'm the GPK/PK maintainer) Well, I think pulling in Synaptic on KDE might be a bad idea, probably KDE desktop packages should pull in Apper instead, a KDE package manager based on PackageKit

Duplicate

2012-05-17 Thread Filipus Klutiero
reassign 481129 debian-policy merge 481129 671503 thanks On 2012-05-17 07:48, Michal Suchanek wrote: Excerpts from Filipus Klutiero's message of Wed May 16 18:44:21 +0200 2012: Could you clarify how this differs from #481129? It's 4 years later. Sorry, forgot that I filed the bug already.

Re: Bug#671503: general: APT repository format is not documented

2012-05-16 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Could you clarify how this differs from #481129? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fb3d965.5030...@gmail.com

Use cases for CD installs (Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...)

2012-05-16 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Steve Langasek wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:26:13PM -0300, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: On Dom 13 May 2012 21:40:10 Marco d'Itri escribió: [snip] Does anybody actually know that people routinely try to install desktop systems with only a CD and no networking, and

Making mailing list discussions more viable (Re: Making -devel discussions more viable)

2012-05-16 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Stefano, Russ and everyone, thanks for your interest in this topic. I entirely agree that we should do better in this area. Since the discussion problem is not specific to debian-devel, I'm moving this to debian-project. Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:11:23AM -0700,

Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy))

2012-04-05 Thread Filipus Klutiero
This didn't generate as much feedback as I hoped, but I filed a ticket asking task-desktop to install synaptic: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=667703 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: pdiff for Translation files, increased times

2012-04-01 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Joerg, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Hi i took the BSP i am at right now to look at that pdiff shit, and after i finished yelling at that code, we now are creating pdiff files for changed Translation-*.bz2 too. Thank you. This solves #659976. That is, we just started, so there is only the

Re: synaptic in gnome (wheezy, etc)

2012-04-01 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi songbird, On 2012-03-27 14:04, songbird wrote: hello, regarding your recent message about synaptic in Gnome. i have been using it all along with wheezy in Gnome. i dislike any other package manager i've tried. i need a way to generate a download list so i can get larger files via

Re: Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-04-01 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Jon, Jon Dowland wrote: A Debian desktop should be a superset of KDE-desktop | GNOME-desktop | LXDE-desktop etc. + things such as a GUI package manager. I am not sure what you mean by that, but task-desktop already looks like what you may have in mind. It recommends task-gnome-desktop |

Re: Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-04-01 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Goswin, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Jon Dowlandj...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 02:30:37PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Shouldn't there rather be a base-desktop that both KDE-desktop and GNOME-desktop depend on? A meta package that depends on everything any

Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-03-27 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi, 3 days ago I installed wheezy on my laptop. The day after I realized that no graphical APT front-end was installed. Usually, I just install Synaptic as a habit, but this time I was surprised I had to do that as I was specifically testing the completeness of our KDE meta-packages and had

Re: Bug#655999: [bugs.debian.org] Reporting documentation - What package does your bug report belong to? points to user support groups

2012-02-21 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2012-02-16 05:01, Jonathan Nieder wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:12:28AM -0500, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Hum, interesting. I am aware that the ITS deals with errors in the package given, like when the user does a typo, but I'm not aware that one can knowingly report

Re: Bug#655999: [bugs.debian.org] Reporting documentation - What package does your bug report belong to? points to user support groups

2012-02-21 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2012-02-16 06:12, Josip Rodin wrote: On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:12:28AM -0500, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Ah, OK. If the request is going to be Why am I experiencing problem foo?, then it makes sense on debian-user. In that case, the problem is just phrasing (in the current phrasing, the user

Re: Bug#655999: [bugs.debian.org] Reporting documentation - What package does your bug report belong to? points to user support groups

2012-02-15 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Josip, Josip Rodin wrote: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:25:26PM -0500, Filipus Klutiero wrote: [Forgot to Cc joy] debian-user's topic is user support. For technical discussions about development, the default group is debian-devel@lists.debian.org. Reference:http

Re: Bug#655999: [bugs.debian.org] Reporting documentation - What package does your bug report belong to? points to user support groups

2012-02-10 Thread Filipus Klutiero
[Forgot to Cc joy] Hi Andrei, On 2012-01-15 17:59, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Du, 15 ian 12, 14:35:17, Filipus Klutiero wrote: debian-user's topic is user support. For technical discussions about development, the default group is debian-devel@lists.debian.org. Reference: http

Re: Bug#655999: [bugs.debian.org] Reporting documentation - What package does your bug report belong to? points to user support groups

2012-02-10 Thread Filipus Klutiero
submission without specifying a package thanks On Sun, 15 Jan 2012, Filipus Klutiero wrote: The ITS requires a package to be specified to send a report. If the reporter doesn't know which package is concerned, our documentation about bug reporting says: If you are unable to determine which

Re: Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Josh Triplett wrote: In general I don't see anything wrong with you in most circumstances, though I think phrases like this system seem clearer and less ambiguous than your system. I agree. This is often seen in package descriptions, for example

Transition to PHP 5.4 starting soon (Re: PHP 5.4 transition in unstable)

2012-02-07 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2012-02-04 14:16, Ondřej Surý wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fellow developers, this is just a heads up that we will upload php version 5.4 into unstable very soon. It is currently in RC phase and we spoke to PHP upstream and both parties think this is a good idea to

Re: Re: Description-less Packages indices

2012-02-07 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Martin Eberhard Schauer wrote: The changes have ill side-effects: [...] - These (untranslated) one-liners is what one gets visiting (2), e.g. (3). Oh-oh. This was reported as #657557: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657557 - There are no new Translation-xx files (4).

Re: Description-less Packages indices

2012-01-22 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi archive team, On 2012-01-22 11:08, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: Hi, as announced earlier[1] we have just changed dak to only include the short description in the Packages indices for the testing, unstable, experimental, p-u and testing-p-u suites. The full description can be retrieved from the

Re: Description-less Packages indices

2012-01-22 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2012-01-22 14:28, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Filipus Klutierochea...@gmail.com (22/01/2012): am I missing something? The main i386 Packages.bz2 in both dists and newdists still seems to weigh 8 MB: http://ftp-master.debian.org/newdists/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/

Re: Package mailing lists

2011-11-13 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Iustin, Iustin Pop wrote: On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 03:48:35PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: - I've made the private email aliases considered harmful point [10], in a somehow unrelated thread. I ask you to watch out for interactions in Debian that could happen only through private

Re: Package mailing lists

2011-11-13 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Stefano, On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 07:41:27AM +0900, Iustin Pop wrote: Sorry for reviving and old email. To what extend do you think this should apply - even at individual package level? I ask this because of the following: recently I had a 1-1 discussion with a co-maintainer of one

Re: Improving package descriptions (I)

2011-08-01 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Martin, Martin Eberhard Schauer wrote: Hi, some time ago I read a post of the DPL regarding enhancing package description quality. Bug reports from translators should be a means for achieving this goal. (quoting from the developer's reference, section 8.4:) Best

Bug#612330: [general] Debian Live fails to restart

2011-02-07 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Package: general Severity: important I downloaded debian-live-6.0.0-i386-kde-desktop.img and managed to write it on a USB stick. Shutting down generally works, but restarting doesn't. After the init scripts finish, the console prints Please remove the USB flash drive and press ENTER to

Bug#612359: [general] Debian Live: some Boot menu options are invisible (Memory test)

2011-02-07 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Package: general Severity: important Debian Live 6's boot menu seems to contain 14 options. I used the image debian-live-6.0.0-i386-kde-desktop.img. There are 4 Live options, 4 Text options, 4 GUI options, and 2 more, the first being Memory test. I tried the USB key on 3 PC, and I always only

Re: Re: Re: Google Summer of Code 2010 Debian Report

2010-09-24 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Quoting Filipus Klutiero (chea...@gmail.com): I must still thank you for sending a report. My first reaction was Finally, I am just disappointed by the content. I am disappointed by your followup and insistance. To make it clear (sorry readers, you'll need a translation tool but I need

Re: Re: Google Summer of Code 2010 Debian Report

2010-09-23 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Obey Arthur Liu wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Adrian von Bidder avbid...@fortytwo.ch wrote: Hi Arthur, On Monday 20 September 2010 11.37:04 Obey Arthur Liu wrote: [GSoC report] Hmm. It would have been nice to hear about what the students did and how far they got in

Re: Google Summer of Code 2010 Debian Report

2010-09-23 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2010-09-23 05:32, Obey Arthur Liu wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Filipus Klutierochea...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I would recommend requiring candidate mentors to agree to share evaluations with GSoC admins, so admins can at least pick information on results when a report has to be

Re: Google Summer of Code 2010 Debian Report

2010-09-23 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2010-09-23 21:26, David Kalnischkies wrote: 2010/9/23 Filipus Klutierochea...@gmail.com: On 2010-09-23 05:32, Obey Arthur Liu wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Filipus Klutierochea...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I would recommend requiring candidate mentors to agree to share

Bug#580643: [general] Chicony KU-0420 (Targus Slim Internet Media USB Keyboard) generates two incorrect symbols

2010-05-07 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Package: general Severity: minor The media player and my computer keys on the Chicony KU-0420 (aka Targus Slim Internet Media USB Keyboard) are generating wrong symbols (with XKeyboardConfig 1.8). The first generates XF86Tools instead of XF86AudioMedia and the second generates XF86Explorer

Re: Re: Google Summer of Code 2009: Debian's Shortlist

2010-02-22 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2009-04-11, Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: Obey Arthur Liu wrote: === And the details: === [...] These descriptions are very short. Assuming these are the abstracts, that's not the students' fault. The abstracts were shortened this year to 500 characters. I struggled

Re: Google Summer of Code 2009: Debian's Shortlist

2009-04-11 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Obey Arthur Liu wrote: === And the details: === [...] These descriptions are very short. Assuming these are the abstracts, that's not the students' fault. The abstracts were shortened this year to 500 characters. I struggled to shorten mine to fit this. At this length, it's probably

KDE/Qt Package Manager (Re: Google Summer of Code 2009: Debian's Shortlist)

2009-04-11 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Obey Arthur Liu wrote: * KDE/Qt4 Adept 3.0 Package Manager * - Student: Mateusz Marek, Mentor: *NEEDS MENTOR, see below.* Finish Adept 3.0, a fully integrated package manager for Qt4/KDE4. Adept is currently the only viable path to a Debian native package

Re: Re: tdiff (DEP-4: The TDeb specification.)

2009-04-08 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:57:30 -0400 Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: (Could you add a blank line between the quoted reply and your content? It makes the content easier for me to read. Thanks.) I'll try

Re: Re: .tdeb format (DEP-4: The TDeb specification.)

2009-04-08 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Neil Williams wrote: On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:23:37 -0400 Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: In a similar way to udebs. The .tdeb needs to be handled differently by package management tools (things like reprepro and dak) so that uploads of TDebs can be made by translation teams, so

tdiff (DEP-4: The TDeb specification.)

2009-04-07 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Neil Williams wrote: On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:13:19 -0400 Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: That would be a nice improvement, but let me suggest another implementation. To avoid introducing a second diff, why not updating the regular diff (in the case of non-native

.tdeb format (DEP-4: The TDeb specification.)

2009-04-07 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Package management tools need a way to tell a .deb from a .tdeb - the two need to be handled differently by tools like dak, britney, apt, dpkg, reprepro, deb-gview and others. Do you mean that package management tools need a way to tell a traditional/current .deb from a package

Re: Re: Gratituous dependences among packages

2009-04-05 Thread Filipus Klutiero
What purpose is served by the existence of kde (the metapackage)? kde is the package which administrators who want to try KDE should generally install. Is there a reason why not to clarify its meaning by renaming it as 'kde-full' kde doesn't depend on the full KDE (for example, it doesn't

Re: Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-04-05 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Neil Williams wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:45:46 -0400 Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: [...] http://www.emdebian.org/media/debian-media/ That would be a nice improvement, but let me suggest another implementation. To avoid introducing a second diff, why not updating

Re: Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-04-03 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Neil Williams wrote: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:06:35 -0400 Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Williams wrote: Primary Motivations (in order): 1. Updates to translations should not require source NMU's

Re: Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-04-03 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:21:59 -0400 Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: That would be a nice improvement, but let me suggest another implementation. To avoid introducing a second diff, why not updating the regular diff (in the case of non-native packages) but indicating

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-03-31 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Neil Williams wrote: Primary Motivations (in order): 1. Updates to translations should not require source NMU's. I guess that means avoiding to NMU with new diff.gz -s? If so, what are the underlying motivations? What is the purpose of creating a new binary package format for this (as

Re: Re: [GSoC] KDE4/Qt4 based package manager

2009-03-30 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Christian Perrier wrote: Quoting Obey Arthur Liu (art...@milliways.fr): synaptic or shaman (from Chakra). I think that aptitude-gtk and adept are not userfriendly. Using these applications was quite difficult for Heartfelt thank yous! (I'm the guy responsible for aptitude-gtk.. :D ) Is

Developing aptitude frontends (was Re: [GSoC] KDE4/Qt4 based package manager)

2009-03-30 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Obey Arthur Liu wrote: Filipus Klutiero a écrit : Christian Perrier wrote: Is this silly to think that, as most of the (good) work was made in aptitude-gtk, an aptitude-qt development would be a better idea? At first sight, it does sound silly to me. aptitude-gtk is a GTK+ GUI

Re: Re: grouping of alternative depends

2009-03-29 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Sonntag, 29. März 2009, Adeodato Simó wrote: Hm? Your original mail said you wanted: Depends: (pdns-backend-ldap + pdns-recursor) | bind9 How does installing bind9 plus pdns-backend-ldap not satisfy the above? Sure it does satisfy the depends, but installing

Re: Re: Extended descriptions size (was Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-03-21 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Neil Williams wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:15:00 -0400 Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: [...] What about a way of having a really long, detailed, nicely formatted description on packages.debian.org but a much shorter, more basic version in the Packages.gz file

Extended descriptions size (was Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-03-20 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:45:09 +0100 (CET) Andreas Tille til...@rki.de wrote: I tried to find a clear advise how to reasonable format lists inside long descriptions of packages. The only thing I know is that lines with two leading spaces is considered verbose. Packages.gz is already 26Mb -

Re: Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-03-20 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, martin f krafft wrote: What we really should do, instead of clinging to the NIH-behaviour, reinventing the wheel, and polishing it over and over again is ditch the pseudo-RFC822 format we have and use Yaml instead. http://www.yaml.org/start.html

Re: Requirement for a “proper manpage” for every command

2009-03-02 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Ben Finney wrote: Wording and tone aside, is that expectation reasonable? Yes. What course of action is open to a user of the package, with a maintainer who has made it plain they're not interested in following (this part of) policy? There's nothing direct you can do as user. As a

Re: Should Debian Live be supported with lenny?

2009-02-17 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Le February 16, 2009 05:29:21 pm Daniel Baumann, vous avez écrit : Filipus Klutiero wrote: You are aware that Debian Live lenny RC1 was released on *2009-02-09*? no, i didn't know that *kidding* Eh, maybe I didn't know that lenny was about to be released then. I did not see any

Re: Should Debian Live be supported with lenny?

2009-02-16 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Le February 15, 2009 06:03:46 am Daniel Baumann, vous avez écrit : Filipus Klutiero wrote: Hi, Hi, first of all: you are aware that you hit the *worst* possible time of sending that email when doing it on the *very* *evening* *when* *we* *are* *actually* *really* *releasing*, especially

Bug#515718: [general] live: failures at shutdown on USB flash drive

2009-02-16 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Package: general Version: 5.0.0 Severity: normal When shutting down Debian Live running from a USB flash drive, one gets a bunch of errors on tty1: Cleaning up ifupdown Unmounting temporary filesystems...umount: /live/cow: device is busy umount: /live/cow: device is busy umount: /live:

Bug#515721: [general] live: disk1 boot method fails

2009-02-16 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Package: general Version: 5.0.0 Severity: normal Debian Live's disk1 boot method (F4, Boot from the first hard disk) fails on 2 PCs from 2 tested with Could not find kernel image: disk1 I do not have any computer with 2 HDDs, so I didn't try disk2. I got this with

Should Debian Live be supported with lenny?

2009-02-14 Thread Filipus Klutiero
/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#live W. Martin Borgert added the paragraph coordinating with Daniel Baumann. Daniel Baumann wrote: Filipus Klutiero wrote: how/where was it decided that Debian Live would be official (for x86) with lenny? it was declared as such when we

Re: Re: Sections - especially section:kde and section:gnome

2009-01-11 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On Fri, 2009-01-02 at 09:34 +, Sune Vuorela wrote: Hi! I have been wondering over the last months about Section: kde. What is the correct usage of this section? .. I have tried to summarised some of the ideas of this thread in http://wiki.debian.org/DiscussionsAfterLenny/Sections

Usefulness of sections (Re: Sections - especially section:kde and section:gnome)

2009-01-08 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Le January 7, 2009 02:32:24 am Joerg Jaspert, vous avez écrit : I don't remember using sections in over 4 years of Debian usage, though I had already used GNU/Linux for a few months before I switched to Debian. But I doubt even a user new to GNU/Linux would use them much. Everyone that

debtags facet for sections (Re: Sections - especially section:kde and section:gnome)

2009-01-08 Thread Filipus Klutiero
IMO, it would make sense to merge Debian sections into a debtags facet so that you can have multiple sections when it makes sense. The facet could still be controlled by ftpmasters if that was desired. I don't understand why you suggest creating a debtags facet replacing sections, except if you

Re: debtags facet for sections (Re: Sections - especially section:kde and section:gnome)

2009-01-08 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Le January 8, 2009 05:50:02 pm Charles Plessy, vous avez écrit : Le Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 03:02:23PM -0500, Filipus Klutiero a écrit : I don't understand why you suggest creating a debtags facet replacing sections, except if you plan to give exclusive control on it to the archive maintenance

Re: Re: Sections - especially section:kde and section:gnome

2009-01-06 Thread Filipus Klutiero
http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/873ag1u2hv.fsf%40vorlon.ganneff.de On ven, 2009-01-02 at 16:55 +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: I guess we actually need to consider what the sections are good for. Asking in a random irc channel at least didn't reveal any real answers. So what about

Re: Re: problems with the concept of unstable - testing

2008-12-16 Thread Filipus Klutiero
The other way round works, too: Removing people who don't have that minimal commitment from the project and their packages from the archive would also allow us to release (a lot less) in a timely fashion. Right... And it would also help releasing timely to remove all buggy packages. --

Re: Re: problems with the concept of unstable - testing

2008-12-16 Thread Filipus Klutiero
That works both ways - those who do contribute and help Debian across a wide range of areas should be valued and supported, even if they show that frustration from time to time. Everyone makes mistakes but why must the most active contributors be the first target of criticism when they criticise

Re: Re: problems with the concept of unstable - testing

2008-12-16 Thread Filipus Klutiero
The single largest factor in making the atmosphere unpleasant is people who aren't contributing to Debian running their mouths on our development lists. I disagree, though I know relatively well how much people contribute. I'd rather blame the mailing lists if simple enthusiasts caused too

Translation debs (Re: Debconf 8 internationalization sessions report)

2008-11-08 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Le November 8, 2008 09:46:48 am Christian Perrier, vous avez écrit : i18n work session 2: tdebs -- (notes taken by Marc Hymers) tdebs or translation debs are an attempt to achieve two goals, by splitting localization material out of packahes: - reduce space usage

Re: Re: Possibility for dependencies against specific kernel modules

2008-11-02 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 07:29:16PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: | Package: test | Depends: test-modules | test-source | | Package: test-modules | Depends: linux-image-2.6.26-1-powerpc | linux-image-2.6.26-1-powerpc64 | | Package: test-source Both apt and aptitude would always try

Re: Possibility for dependencies against specific kernel modules

2008-11-01 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi folks Because of some recent events, I thought about the possibility for packages to depend against kernel module packages. As we don't want to dictate the usage of Debian provided kernels, we need a last resort fallback to the modules source. My first solution was something like the

Re: Include justification in tagging bugs ‘$FOO-ignore’

2008-10-23 Thread Filipus Klutiero
In other words, if a tag indicates a special case, that special case should be justified with a specific explanation. I would like to see such justification expected for every such tag, enforced by the convention that tags with *no* justification provided can be summarily removed by anyone.

Re: Re: Include justification in tagging bugs ‘$FOO-ignore’

2008-10-23 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Filipus Klutiero [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In other words, if a tag indicates a special case, that special case should be justified with a specific explanation. I would like to see such justification expected for every such tag, enforced by the convention that tags

Re: debian-kernel (Supporting 2.6.27 in Lenny? - Long term support)

2008-10-19 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Le October 19, 2008 04:04:58 am Thomas Viehmann, vous avez écrit : Filipus Klutiero wrote: It is, but the first team that should approve a Linux upgrade in lenny is the kernel team. After that the d-i team would be contacted. Could you just stop handing out bad advice on the development

Re: Re: debian-kernel (Supporting 2.6.27 in Lenny? - Long term support)

2008-10-18 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On ven, 2008-10-17 at 21:39 -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: For kernel-related discussions, ask on debian-kernel. And for lenny-related discussions, isn't the release team concerned? :) It is, but the first team that should approve a Linux upgrade in lenny is the kernel team. After

debian-kernel (Re: kernel 2.6.27 in lenny?)

2008-10-15 Thread Filipus Klutiero
For kernel-related discussions, ask on debian-kernel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug sprint !

2008-10-11 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi, there are currently 122 RC bugs remaining that affect both testing and unstable. We need to fix them NOW. However, in the permanent BSP state that has lasted for quite some time, people seem to lose focus on this urgent need for the release. So the idea is: 122 developers × 5 days

Re: Re: RFC: DKMS - Dynamic Kernel Module Support

2008-09-17 Thread Filipus Klutiero
So, what's the final status of this thread? Should I continue working on the package? Should I drop it? I wouldn't want to drop it -- if there's no consensus or, at least, someone wanting it -- and wanting to *sponsor* it, or someone that will actually *use* it, I believe I'll put that on my

Re: Re: RFC: DKMS - Dynamic Kernel Module Support

2008-09-13 Thread Filipus Klutiero
So, DKMS is being run after the installation of a kernel. Am I right? Yes. Btw, is all this documented anywhere? I guess it isn't. Kindly, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: RFC: DKMS - Dynamic Kernel Module Support

2008-09-11 Thread Filipus Klutiero
This is achieved through the installation of a script in: /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/ /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ /etc/kernel/prerm.d/ A quick search with apt-file didn't return any result. Is this approach supported by Debian? /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/ isn't supported. I remember grub

Re: Re: feature: to add explanations of recommendations and suggestions dependencies

2008-08-16 Thread Filipus Klutiero
So there's some positive response. Where is a good place to pursue this further? Is this a debian policy change? I think there's no need for a Debian policy change to start. You should start by finding a proper way to put the recommendation and suggestion explanations in package control

Opposed (Re: Debian release versioning)

2008-07-13 Thread Filipus Klutiero
I was in favour at first sight, but not anymore. I agree with Adeodato that in general, the second integer of a software version is more meaningful that a stable update means. Also, as he wrote, it used to mean something entirely different in Debian itself, less than 4 years ago. But at least

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