maintaining a redirector, or new service
incompatible with indirections, or?
Please someone just point me to previous announcement covering this, If
I am too stupid to have noticed that detail from the flow of information
related to this.
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> and any statement of authorship are reproduced on all copies.
Thanks for elaborating.
Please consider filing bugreports against licensecheck. I can be slow
to respond to them, but dearly appreciate examples of challenging cases.
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step and adding in another.
The tarball should contain only upstream code. Not patched code (then
you arguably are making a fork).
Omitting some files when redistributing an upstream project is common
and well-documented - please follow that same pattern.
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I would use dfc for user-friendly list of mount points, and "lsblk -J"
for machine-parsable output of both mounted and unmounted block devices.
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> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 04:29:22PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>> 1. The laptop will ship with stretch preinstalled, but with a custom
>>> kernel built using the linux-source-x.xx.xx package with a custom
>>> versi
ivatives/Guidelines#Packages
You might find other things in that and related wiki pages useful too
:-)
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s IRC gateway; with Matrix, you don't need
> to run a daemon, you just execute a webhook or use a simple Python
> wrapper for it; see e.g.
> https://kallithea-scm.org/repos/integration/matrix/files/tip/__init__.py
Please let's self-host, not rely on resources outside our control.
packages (not all of them updated in 2016, though).
I find the S-V field quite valuable for the project, and find that it
should be kept part of the actual packaging, not externalized.
Not really sure how that helps this conversation, but there you go.
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take the burden of maintaining added complexity
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Quoting Niels Thykier (2018-01-02 12:19:00)
> Jonas Smedegaard:
> > Quoting Niels Thykier (2018-01-02 09:23:00)
> >> Andrey Rahmatullin:
> >>> On Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 08:40:38PM +0100, Jérémy Lal wrote:
> >>>> wouldn't it be simpler to couple
t; That said, I do agree that a maintainer should have to care about
> fewer turning wheels in debian/control than what our current packaging
> design requires us to do.
Maybe extend debhelper to support compat file content of "latest". Or
simply treat a missing compat file as im
ge complies with that newer version, should you
bump Standards-Version.
(possibly that's what you meant)
Purpose of the Standards-Version field is *not* to keep you busy
silencing corresponding lintian warning, but to state which version of
Debian Policy the package is verified to co
Quoting Thomas Goirand (2017-12-24 11:28:06)
> This is a very interesting discussion, it's IMO important to have it.
> On 12/23/2017 02:45 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>> The only thing we really need is to make sure about the license of
>>> the software. Having a
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Quoting Thomas Goirand (2017-12-23 01:45:43)
> On 12/20/2017 10:31 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quoting Holger Levsen (2017-12-19 22:01:52)
>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 06:44:54PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>>>> What if the author is anonymous then?
Quoting Felipe Sateler (2017-12-19 23:52:55)
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:41:00 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quoting Felipe Sateler (2017-12-19 14:20:42)
>>> Sometimes the license requires listing the copyright holders. In
>>> those cases, the list of holders must
Quoting Holger Levsen (2017-12-19 22:01:52)
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 06:44:54PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>> What if the author is anonymous then?
>> Then who granted the license?
>
> the anonymous author.
Ok. Then (assuming the source mentions only that anonymous
Quoting Thomas Goirand (2017-12-19 17:23:08)
> On 12/19/2017 03:41 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quoting Felipe Sateler (2017-12-19 14:20:42)
>>> Sometimes the license requires listing the copyright holders. In
>>> those cases, the list of holders must be present in
nse" would therefore, I fear, have similar
risk of confusion as to what it should contain, with the added risk of
tracking too _little_ information rather than (arguably - I am still not
convinced) too much.
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ile copyright messages.
>
> Maybe the right answer is to paste the output of
> git-log | grep '^Signed-off-by'
> into debian/copyright ?
Those are authors, which might be copyright holders but possibly not.
Like code lacking copyright might be freely licensed but possibly not.
cover _all_ sources for the project
you are maintaining then perhaps you should team up with someone who
does find it worthwhile to do that part of the packaging maintenance -
because that part of the packaging maintenance is not optional in
Debian!
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(obviously "smaller" implies "covers less corner cases")
You chose LXDE. Your described success rate of features covered seems
reasonable to me, given that choice.
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der ciphers, he should be able to, but
> it shouldn't be default...
I believe noone in this thread disagree with _recommending_ only TLS 1.2
and that no services _should_ use anything else.
Question is if Debian _force_ only TLS 1.2 so that no services _can_ use
anything else.
-
Quoting Philipp Kern (2017-08-10 06:45:39)
> On 09.08.2017 23:30, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Stuff like s3cmd are tools connecting to cloud services. Arguably
> > usable to have tools to free data from the clouds.
> >
> > ...but bug#856139 is, I believe, about
installing and using the Free tool.
Anyone having opinions more narrowly on that kind of advertisements?
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Do the MIA team also track MIA teams?
My concern is that packages without maintainers may go unnoticed when
none of its previously active maintainers were tracked individually.
For such detection of abandonment we need not track _all_ active
maintainers, but at least one - as individual.
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".
The wiki page only tracks things that are, well, tracked.
Please share your ideas for packaging nextcloud at
http://bugs.debian.org/835086 - i.e. by posting not here but to
835...@bugs.debian.org which is read by those actively working on it,
now or later.
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Quoting Steve McIntyre (2017-07-18 02:32:11)
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 02:04:04AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >Quoting Steve McIntyre (2017-07-18 01:09:43)
> >> I've corrected several of your incorrect assertions already. I'm bored
> >> of this.
> >
Quoting Steve McIntyre (2017-07-18 01:09:43)
> I've corrected several of your incorrect assertions already. I'm bored
> of this.
Your arrogant attitude hurts!
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Quoting Steve McIntyre (2017-07-17 02:00:25)
> Jonas wrote:
> >Quoting Steve McIntyre (2017-07-16 22:14:29)
> >> Jonas wrote:
> >> >Quoting Andrey Rahmatullin (2017-07-16 19:28:06)
> >> >> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 07:05:10PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard
&
Quoting Steve McIntyre (2017-07-16 22:14:29)
> Jonas wrote:
> >Quoting Andrey Rahmatullin (2017-07-16 19:28:06)
> >> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 07:05:10PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >> > Is our install images excepmt from our Policy that all dependencies must
Quoting Andrey Rahmatullin (2017-07-16 19:28:06)
> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 07:05:10PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Is our install images excepmt from our Policy that all dependencies must
> > be in Debian, or am I mistaken that we have such Policy?
> Do we? The Debian
uch Policy?
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>
> على الثلاثاء 6 حزيران 2017 04:42، كتب Jonas Smedegaard:
>> Quoting Ghislain Vaillant (2017-06-06 10:13:55)
>>>
>>> Given this is a Python package, we should not even have to argue
>>> about package rela
> * BLOAT: wut?
This and other lib*-xs-perl recommendations are faster implementations
that you commonly want: An example (exotic!) need for avoiding those is
when bootstrapping a new architecture.
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Upstream (or other) package relation hints can be a valuable _aid_ in
resolving Debian package relations, but only that: An aid!
Debian packaging follows Debian Policy - other hints do not.
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consumer subscription where I cannot report failures during weekends).
Quite likely our new competing ISP broke the wire digging holes to lay
out fibre optics.
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d without the
> initial aspirant even in dialects (etc.) which ordinarily don't elide
> such.
Thanks for educating me: I thought the "h" in "herb" wasn't silent.
A probably more common example (in computer context) is "hour".
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y_ going on in their minds - and when their mindset and ours do
not align, then surely they cannot be trusted to mean what the say - our
need for simple distribution has higher priority than their right to
grant complex licensing.
Right?
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Quoting Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez (2017-03-30 19:12:53)
> On 30/03/17 10:44, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez (2017-03-30 05:08:24)
> >> On 30/03/17 03:11, Clint Byrum wrote:
> >>> Excerpts from Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez's message
ing it on the first place?
Yes, I believe so.
As a concrete example, the Netatalk project has for many years released
code with plugins linking to OpenSSL, but has not added an exception.
Authors of Netatalk try to make a living out of commercial support for
their product, and I genuinely t
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us place too many restrictions on
> Recommends. If you don't want additional helpful programs, disable
> installing Recommends by default. I think it's very odd to worry
> about bloat while simultaneously installing Recommends by default;
> those aren't really consist
talled, a recent prior APT
process upgraded to netbase 5.4 (no longer recommending ifupdown), and
your latest APT process just finished an auto-removal of the no longer
needed ifupdown for some reason not finalized earlier.
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t, then it makes sense for the package relation to be a
recommendation. If you cannot describe a single use case for this
package without its related package, then depend on that other package
(no matter needs of _reverse_ related packages further up the stack!).
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>
> Originally, "cgit" is for web browser to see, and "git" is for "git
> clone" or "git remote add" to checkout the source tree.
> Rewrite rules of web server makes them equivalent.
Oh, that change making them equivalent interesting. Thanks!
No
.git
> Vcs-Browser: https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-foo/bar.git
>
> I would use the latter one. Would that be better?
No: The latter one does not serve content usable in a browser.
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> even if they did not happen in buildd.debian.org yet?
Yes, please do!
I believe, however, that Ole was talking about non-critical bugs being
part of a testsuite - not criticial bugs wrongly downgraded.
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ts by the release team. Can please someone in the
> know confirm, or correct?
I believe all official statements are collected here:
https://release.debian.org/
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Welcome to the World of Debian :-)
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st get in touch with) the teams
relevant for your particular interests. Here's an incomplete list:
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams
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Quoting Philip Hands (2017-01-06 15:48:07)
> Jonas Smedegaard writes:
>> Do I understand you correctly that you recommend that we all tell our
>> users - e.g. in release notes - something like this: "We acknowledge
>> that the Nodejs included in this release is outdat
ing like this: "We acknowledge
that the Nodejs included in this release is outdated, and recommend that
you avoid it: Please instead subscribe to our snapshot repository and
use the newer (but lesser supported) version from there."?
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Quoting Christian Seiler (2017-01-05 14:32:45)
> On 01/05/2017 02:06 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quoting Riku Voipio (2017-01-05 12:53:16)
>>> Vast majority of users would only install this via dependencies.
>>> It's hardly a node-specific problem that debian pa
the program) to a user
> (system administrator) who has never met it before so that they have
> enough information to decide whether they want to install it. This
> description should not just be copied verbatim from the program's
> documentation.
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herit of all the problems to solve.
>
> Isn't "gbp pq" a correct execution of the same principles?
> --
> Make your program read from top to bottom.
> - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plauger)
Do _any_ of the systems reliably handle a "git rebase" involving a merge
of new upstream release? In my experience gbp also fails that.
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get kicked out), I believe there is also the option of asking the
release team for permission to do the transition even if late.
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Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2016-12-26 15:32:18)
> Quoting Andrey Rahmatullin (2016-12-26 14:57:26)
> > For the record:
> >
> > # Broken Depends:
> [...]
> > # Broken Build-Depends:
>
> If by "broken" you wanted to list all packages that would be brok
ervice (different from sugar-presence-service-0.88) is
missing in Depends:, and there are also packages recommending net-tools.
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Quoting Adam Borowski (2016-12-25 23:23:32)
> On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 06:06:12PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > I'm pretty sure they haven't produced XO-1s in close to a decade, and
> > > that us what my packages are for. XO-1.5 and XO-4 were never
> >
with
> such old hardware and the lack of package users.
I agree it makes sense to drop this package: Despite the hardware vendor
still issueing software, we can no longer do so, because the XO-1 uses
an X86 chipset is incompatible with our i686 libc and kernel, I believe
(I haven't te
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t clone
* amount of data transfered over the wire for shallow git clone
* amount of data transfered over the wire for CVS clone
* disk space used for CVS clone
Should be possible to get the git data by cloning from yourself via
localhost: URL (to ensure that git does not use hardlink
other packages.
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¹ uwsgi build-depends not only on libssl-dev, but also libapache-dev,
php-dev and libcurl4-openssl-dev now linking against conflicting
libssl*-dev packages.
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different distribution for
>>> some web servers.
[...]
> For Apache, the choices available are:
> 1. no ChaCha20 in Apache in stretch
> 2. move the stretch release schedule by 6-12 months to have
>only OpenSSL 1.1 in stretch
> 3. apply ChaCha20 patches to OpenSSL
ce
manual work and b) reduce disputes by making general logic transparent,
but not (at least yet) for the processing to be fully automatic.
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ment here, I suggest we go
with needrestart!
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; developers were still encouraged to use the Go
> package ecosystem ("go get ..."). And whenever I've built node
> programs, I also just use "npm install ..." rather than looking for a
> Debian package.
>
> If that's the primary use case,
It is
e removed and I will notice too late...
>
> I keep meaning to try to find a way to figure out what package(s) it
> might be, that isn't eyeballing the list.
Try check the email headers - in my experience often there is am
X-somethind line added hinting about the specific package.
want to deal with the
> complexity of building JS from the "upper" source for the benefit of
> people that don't exist.
There are likely no Debian users on lonely islands either. That is not
an acceptable reason for weakening the quality of our packages.
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> > just for hipsters that can't read and write more than one twitter
> > message at the time, and can't read a simple makefile.
>
> I don't understand why we don't just put that build process in
> debian/rules.
Neither do I.
Quoting Scott Kitterman (2016-10-20 16:35:22)
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 04:06:10 PM Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting Ondřej Surý (2016-10-20 15:48:08)
> >
> > > to stop you from bickering on and on, the build script can be
> > > reconstructed just f
Severity of bugs is ortogonal to how difficult they are to fix.
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> even from unstable, yes.
Use experimental for known-broken packages (if there is reason to
release at all, e.g. to try avoid burdening NEW queue closer to freeze).
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> > really the same thing, you will see why this discussion does not
> > make much sense.
>
> One nitpick:
>
> There are many, many people who are users of Debian who do not
> contribute to the development of Debian, except possibly by way of
> filing
source package doxygen maybe lists jquery.js source licensing
b) binary package doxygen maybe lists jquery.js source licensing
c) your source package build-depends on doxygen
d) your binary package ignores jquery.js source licensing
e) ftpmaster ignores jquery.js licensing as unimportant detail
Package: wnpp
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Quoting Andrew Shadura (2016-08-16 19:57:05)
>
>
> On 16 August 2016 at 14:32, Ian Jackson
> wrote:
> > Jonas Smedegaard writes ("Re: copyright precision"):
> >> Quoting Markus Koschany (2016-08-15 23:02:06)
> >> > So yes, copyright files are ha
Quoting Ian Jackson (2016-08-16 15:32:55)
> Jonas Smedegaard writes ("Re: copyright precision"):
>> Quoting Markus Koschany (2016-08-15 23:02:06)
>>> So yes, copyright files are hard and unfun but why should we
>>> continue to write them the way we do if w
ual licenses verbatim).
Fedora apparently covers the Ghostscript license in a single line:
"AGPLv3+ and Redistributable, no modification permitted".
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