On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:04:00AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
In a sense, of course, this is true. However, what I'm trying to point
out is that we have a fundamental governance question facing us here.
What are we, as a project, going to do when we face a decision where the
project is
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:24:31AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Patrick Ouellette poue...@debian.org writes:
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:04:00AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
In a sense, of course, this is true. However, what I'm trying to point
out is that we have a fundamental governance
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 01:39:52PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Patrick Ouellette poue...@debian.org writes:
We do tell users of Debian what to do - that's part of the problem right
now. We told the users they will switch init systems, and a large
portion (or at least a vocal portion
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:06:08PM +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
For the record, I really don't care about the init system per-say. I am
more annoyed with the systemd insistence on logging to binary files than
anything. Log files should be plain text.
Rsyslog is srill installed by
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:05:17AM +, Sam Hartman wrote:
I'm confused. Are you saying that cat logfile isn't working for you
with systemd on jessie?
I'm honestly asking for information here.
As best I can tell on my system everything that gets logged gets logged
to text log files.
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 06:07:33PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Patrick Ouellette poue...@debian.org writes:
I'm saying those things that logged to syslog now log to the journal, so
cat /var/log/syslog doesn't work because the output that used to go
there is redirected to the binary format
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 06:53:09PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Maybe some failure to sync status correctly? syslog-ng does ship with a
service file. What does:
systemctl status syslog-ng
say? Particularly the Loaded and Active fields should have some hint as
to what's going on
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 06:19:32PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Patrick Ouellette poue...@debian.org writes:
Since /var/log/syslog is empty, clearly there was an issue when my
system upgraded. I'll have to look into this to see what is going on.
(Kind of illustrates my point about another
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On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 09:51:16AM +0200, Thibaut Paumard wrote:
So yes, I say long silence from the entire community *including the
package maintainer(s)* probably means it's safer to orphan the package
than not. I would probably send a few pings during the one month
period though. I would
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 12:41:40PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
David Weinehall t...@debian.org writes:
Wasn't the main reason (apart from the seniority argument) for
preserving the node name for ax25 to prevent remote unmonitored highly
important systems from failing?
If such systems
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 09:08:23AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
On 05/02/2012 06:00 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
and the binary isn't invoked directly by users
If the binary isn't invoked directly by the users, why do we have a
problem? Why can't a
On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 03:00:46PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
That community is much smaller, and the binary isn't invoked directly by
users, which makes the impact fairly minimal in practice.
Can you support that assertion with data? I'm not talking installed
instances in Debian, but in
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 01:10:24PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote:
As said many times, node is an interpreter used in shebang. Using a
different name would just upset its user base. Debian will be seen,
again, as the one harming a community, like this may happen in the
Ruby community because of
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 02:35:06PM -0300, Fernando Lemos wrote:
So while I don't think decisions shouldn't be taken based solely on
popcon stats, I think it would be silly to think that ham radio would
be more popular than node.js. I understand you're reluctant to undergo
this transition and
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 08:48:07PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote:
OoO Pendant le repas du jeudi 03 mai 2012, vers 19:35, Patrick Ouellette
poue...@debian.org disait :
As said many times, node is an interpreter used in shebang. Using a
different name would just upset its user base. Debian
Can someone please explain to be why it is so unpalatable to
have the Node.js package in the README and in an installation/
configuration message include the following (or similar) message:
Node.js in Debian has the executable name /usr/bin/nodejs
This is to solve a conflict with a package that
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 09:24:00PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
So to avoid disruptions, you rename the binary in the package and in the
postinst configure old-version which is run during upgrade, you add a
symlink from /usr/sbin/node to ax25-node and you display a prominent
warning
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 10:11:41PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
You also don't address the issue of a user who installs both packages
and now gets varying behavior depending on their $PATH - a result not
of a local administrator's action, but of the Debian package's actions.
If node
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 09:21:16PM +0100, Colin Tuckley wrote:
Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 21:21:16 +0100
From: Colin Tuckley col...@debian.org
Subject: Re: Node.js and it's future in debian
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
On 03/05/12 20:44, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
With all due respect
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 03:09:42PM -0400, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio wrote:
It has been said many times that the impact on users will be limited
as node is not meant to be called directly but by inetd. You and other
members of the ham radio community seem to feel that there would be an
impact
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 05:13:09PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
Drat. I forgot about APRS. APRS has become fairly popular among hams, so
much
so that it now comes built-in to several radios, and even HTs (Handy-Talkies).
APRS is a system for location reporting. It's also very commonly
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 04:46:09PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:46:09 -0500
From: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org
Subject: Re: Node.js and it's future in debian
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, Patrick Ouellette poue...@debian.org,
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On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 06:43:04PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
There's also http://packages.debian.org/#search_contents which can
search for files listed within packages.
That's where I check.
Pat
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On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 03:24:58PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 15:24:58 -0700
From: Russ Allbery r...@debian.org
Subject: Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Node.js and it's future in debian
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 12:21:14AM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 04:11:00PM -0400, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 09:48:02AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
Why so? If I make a copy for backup and want to use it, how would I do
that without use
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:20:22PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
On Thursday, March 15, 2012 16:11:00, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 09:48:02AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
Why so? If I make a copy for backup and want to use it, how would I do
that without use of decss
to do
is a block copy of the media. That is just one of the reasons the arguments
against decss are/were less than intelligent.
Pat
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On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 08:33:38AM +, Philipp Kern wrote:
On 2011-11-08, Patrick Ouellette p...@flying-gecko.net wrote:
I hope to avoid any issues with breaking old boxes with the eventual
resolution of the issue.
I don't know what's wrong with Jonathan Nieder's advise in [0] about
Where is the voice of the nodejs maintainers in this? They are
listed as:
Debian Javascript Maintainers
Jérémy Lal
Dave Beckett
Jonas Smedegaard
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What kind of change have you
the absolute path to any binary you're calling, you're
just asking for trouble anyway!
The issue is one of following policy. Debian policy doesn't allow such a
resolution to this issue. Consensus on which must change, or both must
change are the only allowed outcomes.
73,
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side is not LinuxNode in package node it is
simply node in package node
Since you are still concerned with this issue, and neither side has shown a
willingness to change, I would say the time has come for both packages to be
renamed.
Pat (one of the unresponsive ham radio maintainers)
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On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 09:20:31PM -0600, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
Hi Pat,
Patrick Ouellette wrote:
The binary on the ham radio side is not LinuxNode in package node it is
simply node in package node
Since you are still concerned with this issue, and neither side has shown
Anyone use micfo.com? Thoughts?
Thanks,
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the discussion in debian-hams, nodejs provides a binary
named node - otherwise we would not need to have the discussion at all
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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 05:07:39PM +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
On 21/09/2010 16:02, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 03:54:41PM +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
Wrong. nodejs still provides the binary nodejs and not _node_. So,
nodejs can stay as is. The rename would
the genericity of the name used for the shipped binary.
Part of the historical discussion on debian-hams and Jéré mentioned
it in this thread today.
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the USA.
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Crank the amp to 11, this needs more cowbell - and a llama wouldn't hurt
either
Your arguments are an odd mix of overly optimistic on one side and overly
pessimistic
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for temporal release. Not much interest in it overall, and I
ran into time problems setting up the infrastructure to list which
packages would be in the pre-stable and stable branches (in your
terms).
I might return to that in the next few months once real life settles
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On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 07:37:40PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Patrick Ouellette dijo [Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 01:04:59AM -0400]:
(...)
Another difference is that testing will get new versions of packages and
those versions might (but should not) cause breakage. Testing has had
breakage
expect a particular
package to meet the standards since I don't maintain each and every
package in Debian. Debian always releases when it's ready and I don't
expect that to change.
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based upon well know published criteria for the stability of that
particular branch. The user controls the amount of risk they are
willing to have in their system.
Testing, candidate and stable should change progressively slower. That
is the entire point.
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production quality at some point in time after they entered the candidate
stage. If you really believe the package to be production quality, you
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by people using unstable.
If RC bugs are found so quickly in unstable, why has there been no
release in the last 3 or so years? Testing is normally quite usable.
That is part of the reason I believe this type of approach to releases
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a separate archive (really a Packages.gz and related files as long as
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On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 21:48 -0500, Adam M. wrote:
Unfortunately this totally changes the purpose of stable. Stable is
Yes and no. It changes the concept of stable in that stable evolves.
You still have the static release as long as we decide to keep that
version of all the packages in the
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is made entirely of even numbers.
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manually (with debuild) but dies when the build daemon tries with
a 'cannot run configure.sub' error.
Anyone else have this problem? Is it a feature or a bug?
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Yes, that's the apparent problem.
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 03:38:35PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:38:35 -0200
From: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Patrick Ouellette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re
I think a reasonable policy statement for this would be something like:
All pre-release versions will have debian revision of -0.x
Maintainer release revisions will start at -1 and increment in
whole numbers
Non maintainer releases will add a point version to the left of the
maintainer release
OOPS
left should be right.
One of these days I'll be able to tell my left and right apart!
-Original Message-
From: Patrick Ouellette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 3:13 PM
To: debian-policy@lists.debian.org
Cc: Debian Developers
Subject: RE: libc6_2.0.7
I had similar problems with Windows NT and large drives on
2940UW controllers. The problem appeared to be the wide bus
mode setting ( I forget the exact wording in the adaptec setup).
If I changed the setting, the machine would not boot from the
drive until I either low level formatted the drive
I have tossed around the idea of a ham specific configuration that
would fit on a zip disk. Not the fastest way to run the system,
but you could set up a swap and var/temp area on a small local
hard drive, use a ramdisk and have an easy way to upgrade the node.
I haven't thought about what
If you have sensitive skin you may wish to push the delete button now
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 1998 8:27 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: New Linux distribution
Bruce, I just
Thanks for taking it as intended - and not the flame bait it might
have sounded like. (Rough night last night - but I did put the
delete disclaimer in)
I've been using hamm for some time, and as long as you check to be
sure that application you can't live without exists, it has been
fairly stable
I'll bite:
From: Ian Keith Setford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 1998 3:09 PM
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: **Ready your Flame-Throwers**
Yo-
I am subscribed to devel although I am not a developer and since everyone
else has had comments on Bruce's
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