an
asoundingly bad attitude with respect to this. It would be
perfectly possible for systemd to support other platforms if
they really wanted to; it probably wouldn't even be that hard.
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and more capable replacement.
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strictly bad, but may cause confusion
and just pollutes the namespace for tab completion etc. If you want
them in your path, it's trivial to add /sbin to it yourself. I can't
see any compelling reason to make them the default.
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This is only until sysvinit migrates to testing though. We did
(regrettably, IMO) change back the default.
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* Package name: barman
postgresql-barman would make it a bit easier for people to find.
Most of the other postgreql packages use the postgresql- namespace.
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stop|start actions are going to simply defer to the defaults
action, and will ultimately go.
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. This has been already debated extensively
many times over. Irrespective of whether your personal opinion is
that this is a good or bad thing, that's just the way it is at present.
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Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 5.2.9-1
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On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 10:58:09PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
On 27.06.2012 11:13, Roger Leigh wrote:
I'd like to suggest that we do the following in sysv-rc update-rc.d:
- wheezy: silently drop start|stop sequence numbers and runlevels
(this is already the case when using insserv
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 06:39:57PM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote:
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:52:23AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:44:53AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
The numbers specified for update-rc.d must be well ordered
according to the dependencies specified
of usermod from the discussion on debian-devel regarding
Policy bug #621833 (where it was originally suggested by Roger Leigh),
so this potentially affects quite a few packages.
Stephan's proposed patch (below) makes me think we really need a script
(or dpkg-maintscript-helper subcommand
a package should be part of Debian. I don't mean having
to suffer a drawn out argument, but just being able to give the
reasons why it's important for the software to be in Debian, what
it does, and why it's sufficiently different from what we already
have.
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On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 02:40:18PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 08:02:33AM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 04:39:38PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
On 06/27/2012 03:46 PM
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:44:53AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes:
This means that the runlevels and sequence numbers passed as
arguments to update-rc.d will never be used; they will just get
silently discarded. The main problem as I see
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 08:02:33AM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 04:39:38PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
On 06/27/2012 03:46 PM, Alexander Wirt wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, Paul Wise wrote:
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6
severity 678231 serious
severity 676473 serious
forgemerge 676463 678231 676473
tags 676463 + pending
thanks
On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 09:31:47PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
Hi,
If you're using unstable and you're using static boot ordering with
sysv-rc, you might have run into #676463/#676520
what's possible here. Could it use
insserv to do the dependency graph and then just consume the
makefile-style dependency list?
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), renaming them is do-able, but not something we
should be doing this close to the freeze.
PS: Is there a way to list all packages putting a file in /etc/init.d/?
dpkg -S $(ls -1 /etc/init.d/*)
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On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 03:59:30PM +0200, Steve R. Petruzzello wrote:
Le 25-06-2012, à 14:47:58 +0100, Roger Leigh (rle...@codelibre.net) a écrit :
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 01:51:36PM +0200, Steve R. Petruzzello wrote:
I noticed that some scripts in /etc/init.d/ are suffixed by .sh and some
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safely or sensibly handle.
Doesn't the Ubuntu updater tool do something like this already when
it does a full upgrade between releases?
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-Depends can be
restricted to the common subset needed for packing sources but
not those needed for arch-all or arch-any building.
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, where /run will exist
at all times. But until then, you need to follow the instructions
in the reference above.
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probably be using insserv to order
the scripts even if it doesn't use startpar to run them in parallel,
so that it can use LSB dependency ordering as well.
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On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 01:21:43PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 05/28/2012 05:32 AM, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 10:46:27PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 05/25/2012 07:44 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
However, the majority of
software which finds the tmpfs too small has
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:44:03PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 02:22:24AM +0300, Serge wrote:
I've read across different debates about whether using tmpfs is good or bad
but I could not find the most important reason, so here it is...
I haven't got anything
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On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 04:39:34PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Roger Leigh wrote:
I did want to have this for wheezy (#633299). But I lacked the time
and familiarity with the d-i code, and the d-i developers also have
higher priorities.
Personally, this d-i developer has as one priority
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 10:46:27PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
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However, the majority of
software which finds the tmpfs too small has unreasonable expectations
of what can be expected to be available (by default).
We welcome you to rewrite
for
user services such as pidfiles, sockets and state. i.e. the user
equivalent of /var/run. Its size should be only a few KiB at most.
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On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 02:38:14PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes:
With the above approach, the only hard question is how to set the
ownership during the package build. fakeroot handles this just fine,
but it does require the user/group
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to be present on the build
system, which will not always be the case. Is there an alternative
means to set/override the ownership during packing of a tarfile?
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On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 03:55:24PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 12:28:27 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:23:49PM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote:
With the above approach, the only hard question is how to set the
ownership during the package build
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 02:10:13AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 22:47:22 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 03:55:24PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
One option would be to make dpkg-deb use an internal tar implementation,
and add a file describing
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should never
need to concern itself with such cleanup, or indeed any manual work
with conffiles at all, except maybe for deletion ahead of purge
where this is needed. And given the frequency this is needed, a
defined mechanism to do this would be useful.
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You basically just need to have a Depends on
initscripts (= 2.88dsf-13.3) and you're good to go. Don't store
megabytes of data in here though, since it's stored in virtual
memory on most systems.
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provide files in the same format--
we don't really want to have fragmented support for different
systems within Debian, though supporting different init systems as
the present is needed and desirable.
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to symlink/include the units provided elsewhere, but is this either
necessary or desirable on a Debian system?
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On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 09:30:42PM +0800, Patrick Lauer wrote:
On 04/26/12 00:42, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 08:52:59PM +0800, Patrick Lauer wrote:
I'd like to ask you to evaluate OpenRC as candidate to replace the old
have-always-been-there sysvinit/insserv init scripts
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 02:00:15PM -0300, Fernando Lemos wrote:
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On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:04:32PM -0300, Fernando Lemos wrote:
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:
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be
an interim solution.
Unless OpenRC itself could become more event-based.
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and/or central list is an insanity I wish we could have
fixed years ago. We should not have global policy WRT virtual
package defaults embedded (inconsistently!) into every single
dependency!
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On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 01:42:48PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
I'm going to investigate it in more detail on a running Gentoo system
and learn a bit more about it before doing anything. If anyone fancies
doing the packaging, I'll be happy to join in. I'll probably be able
to provide a better
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 08:19:44PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Apr 29, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
While sysvinit is clearly inferior, it gives us (Debian) something the
others do not: control over our own destiny, and the ability to
modify every aspect of it and the init
a Conflicts/Breaks and be done with it. Not a great solution,
but it doesn't seem like there's a better one if both camps are
unwilling to change.
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so that systemd can behave similarly to the existing stuff when
passed the quiet option?
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On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 09:49:18AM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
On 04/25/2012 06:42 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 08:52:59PM +0800, Patrick Lauer wrote:
I'd like to ask you to evaluate OpenRC as candidate to replace the old
have-always-been-there sysvinit/insserv init
. However, we should also copy the set of mounts used
by systemd (?).
Is the proposed patch in this bug sufficient? I've not yet looked to
see--I'm not familiar with cgroups, and I don't know if it's
sufficiently compatible with the systemd mounts.
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On 04/26/2012 08:42 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
If anyone fancies
doing the packaging, I'll be happy to join in. I'll probably be able
to provide a better overview once I know a bit more.
I don't know much about OpenRC apart from
into update-rc.d)
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On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:20:00AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Roger Leigh, le Mon 23 Apr 2012 09:44:32 +0100, a écrit :
While it's great that Hurd can support all of these esoteric
translators, in terms of making Hurd a viable *Debian* port,
we really only need a few specific ones
a
standard format (mtab) and not a moving target of 'be like Linux'.
For mtab, it's probably not even strictly necessary for this to be in
/proc/mounts. It could be a translator on /etc/mtab directly? (If
a translator can be a single file?)
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On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 09:01:55AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
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I can't see why not at first glance--it's done its job, so should no
longer be needed.
It is still needed in two use cases.
1) Machine upgraded from Lenny where the migration was not done.
Either
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:52:23PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Roger Leigh
(I don't know if you saw my mail regarding having done this
provisionally in git; I mentioned it on the pkg-sysvinit-devel
list and in #545976. I was wanting to additionally ask you
how safe it would
a release isn't supported and as this has been in squeeze,
can it be dropped from sysv-rc, please?
I can't see why not at first glance--it's done its job, so should
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to
investigate the problem?
Try memtest86 to see if it's memory corruption due to bad RAM.
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Python? While yorick-svipc is undoubtedly useful, it's also
quite dated; the standard POSIX equivalents to the old SysV
should really be preferred.
FWIW, http://pypi.python.org/pypi/posix_ipc/0.8.1
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:13:09PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes:
As a side note I have a use case at work where static order seems to be
needed. We build boot images for network boot of clusters. During boot
additional files can be copied from NFS
at this over the weekend, it's a PITA
though. Hopefully should be fixed in the next upload if I have
time to thoroughly test it this week (but I need to write the
helper function first given that this has apparently not been
needed until now).
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it without any manual intervention where possible would be
desirable.
This can, of course, be left until wheezy+1. It's just something
which needs considering before it becomes a bigger problem.
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On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 12:17:43AM +0200, Uoti Urpala wrote:
Roger Leigh wrote:
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 04:20:47PM +0200, Uoti Urpala wrote:
[note: it's somewhat desirable for them to be optional on Linux
too, to prevent feature lock-in and future compatibility problems].
Unix
be run by init? This would provide a migration path and permit
packages to migrate away from providing init scripts in favour of
systemd units (or upstart jobs), while permitting sysvinit use to
continue.
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On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 04:20:47PM +0200, Uoti Urpala wrote:
Roger Leigh wrote:
I certainly don't think it's fair for fairly niche platforms to hold
back Linux indefinitely. There is a high cost on maintainers to
support these platforms, and it would be an ideal situation if
systemd
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:14:49AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Roger Leigh
Just FYI, please see #659451. I've split the UTC variable into
/etc/default/hwclock, which means /etc/default/rcS can become a
regular dpkg conffile (in current git only for now). This needs
support in d
the modern
systems on all arches. The attitude of the systemd upstream is
not encouraging here, however.
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patch against util-linux once this is properly tested.
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On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 03:59:23PM +, Roger Leigh wrote:
Hi,
The attached patch against current util-linux cleans up hwclock
handling with the following changes:
• Also adds /etc/default/hwclock and hwclock(5) which permit
configuration without editing the initscript, and also
tools first started supporting it for backward-
compatibility reasons, but it's been the default for some time now
(since July 2008) since everything we would want to build on
supports it.
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On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 08:00:28PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Feb 18, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
• There are currently two init scripts, hwclockfirst.sh and
hwclock.sh. The reasons for these two originally existing
Why do you still bother with init scripts? With very
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:07:22PM +, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:52:42AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 08:10:11PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
Interesting timing. initscripts started depending on ucf just a few
days ago, which makes ucf quasi
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 11:18:08PM +0100, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
Roger Leigh wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:52:42AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 08:10:11PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
Interesting timing. initscripts started depending on ucf just a
few
in the context of being used by the
computer. By all means refer to the user this way (e.g. you), but
I don't think Ian's opinion on the use of I is by any means
universal. It's by no means wrong, but I think such uses could be
phrased better.
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