) will not bother to attempt to figure
out which periods end a sentence, and thus need extra spacing. OTOH a
lot of people (IMO) would argue that the fixed-width two-space end of
sentence is sufficiently ugly that we're better off without it.
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system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the
world. -- seen on the net
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On 24-Aug-02, 09:48 (CDT), Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk wrote:
On Thu, 2002-08-22 at 21:40, Steve Greenland wrote:
While I'll grant you that dangerous is probably not the correct
adjective, the current behaviour is correct. Debian policy is that
packages don't override admin
dont they apply
to missing conffiles, too?
Because you only get that question if the distributed version of the
conffile is changed also.
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, but the point is
there: A missing cron.allow permits everybody to use crontab, while an
empty cron.allow forbids use of crontab by anybody (except root, of
course).
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The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating
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it. Isn't that easy? I don't use xdm, and prefer rxvt
to xterm, but I don't try to tell Branden what packages to put in the
x-window-system package.
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in
jdk-free virtual is a violation of the Social Contract, as it puts an
undue burden on the users. That seems to settle most discussions.
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On 11-Jan-02, 08:45 (CST), Stefan Hornburg (Racke) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, but it is really a bug that should be filed. The daemon will
be killed by SAK otherwise (look at #92277 for further enlightenment).
You can't, in general, close *all* open file descriptors. OPEN_MAX
may not exist
On 06-Jan-02, 01:51 (CST), Egon Willighagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now, I am facing the following problem (after making more space):
- how can i determine which packages were updated yesterday?
- how can i (semi)-automatically reinstall these packages?
I see that it turned out that the
On 01-Jan-02, 18:06 (CST), Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, vim is higher precedence than nvi.
Ack. That's no longer true. Sorry.
Steve
On 06-Jan-02, 04:55 (CST), Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You need to do this in a portable way so that it works on every system...
No, the people who want modern code to run on their systems need to
figure out how to support the standard. Why should every piece of
code contain the
that haven't been upgraded for over a decade.
/rant
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On 31-Dec-01, 19:42 (CST), Ganesan R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another thing that puzzles me since this whole debate started. If you look
at the declaration of ctype.h functions (isalpha family), they take a int as
an argument.
The reason the argument for these is int is a relic of the dark
On 01-Jan-02, 17:22 (CST), Craig Dickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Caleb Shay wrote:
However, as was pointed out below, vim is NOT the
default vi when you install,
Only true if you install nvi (or some other higher-precedence vi clone),
which isn't required. (g)vim is the only vi-like
On 31-Dec-01, 16:30 (CST), Peter Finderup Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 31 Dec 2001, Colin Walters wrote:
No, the C standard guarantees that a char is exactly a single byte; i.e.
sizeof(char) == 1.
I think he meant wider than one would think-character. A char didn't
originally have
On 25-Sep-01, 09:34 (CDT), Christian Kurz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 01-09-25 Steve Greenland wrote:
I am so tired of hearing things like this. Nobody is forcing anyone to
do anything. We already force them to use 2.2 instead of still using
2.0. You want the functionality, you use
OR bar OR baz) AND foo,
which is the same as (bar OR baz) AND foo, right? If so, it should be
flagged as an error. (Yes, the dependendcy resolver should reduce it
correctly, but it should reduce foo, foo ( 2.0) to simply foo (
2.0) as well.)
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? So it's hardly any extra
effort for the ftp maintainers, and it provides a public and consistent
place to track the status of packages with problems.
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bind location. Is this correct? Are there other types
of mounts that lead to type=none in the output of 'mount'?
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On 26-Sep-01, 18:31 (CDT), Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 06:15:34PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
I've a request to have checksecurity skip searching filesystems with
type 'none' (not device 'none'). A brief check leads me to believe that
these are result
, not theirs.
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, then they can and should go into a special
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On 15-Sep-01, 09:14 (CDT), Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 13-Sep-01, 18:37 (CDT), Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your scheme works, but at least tell the sys admin what is going on with a
debconf note.
If you don't want
On 15-Sep-01, 13:24 (CDT), Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:11:20AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
There is already a standard, reliable way of communicating package
changes to the admin. Amazingly enough, it's called a changelog. I
usually find them under
On 13-Sep-01, 18:37 (CDT), Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Debconf question: do you want a symlink.
Please, no. The fact that debconf provides an easy, consistent way to
interact with the user does not mean that every possible choice that
a package makes needs to ask the user. If I
On 13-Sep-01, 17:50 (CDT), Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Previously Christian Leutloff wrote:
Is it really necessary that the package must be able to be upgraded on
every architecture!?
That's the whole purpose of testing, keep the brokenness to a minimum.
So now we have
On 14-Sep-01, 10:18 (CDT), Steve M. Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Err, why not just test for the existence of directory /usr/lib/procmail-lib ?
Is there an advantage to checking the package version instead?
Because by the time the postinst runs, /usr/lib/procmail-lib is gone.
If it's not
On 12-Sep-01, 19:08 (CDT), Cesar Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I find the package useful and I'm also aware of the shortcomings of
ssh-agent, but was your solution to cron job's that do rsync over ssh?
and I don't think that pass phrase less keys is an option.
Why not? Create a
On 13-Sep-01, 10:27 (CDT), Elie Rosenblum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 12:53:49AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 10:51:04PM -0400, Elie Rosenblum wrote:
Would turning /usr/lib/procmail-lib into a symlink to the appropriate
location be acceptable?
On 05-Sep-01, 16:35 (CDT), Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2001, T.Pospisek's MailLists wrote:
But tell me *one* thing:
Why is it so hard to change a few lines and have the default be
set to *off* and let whoever feels like it enable it?
On 05-Sep-01, 18:14 (CDT), Neil T. Spring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2. A configuration option, when you know concensus on this
list is that there will be none; and that the default will
be on.
No, I don't think that's the concensus. I agree that the kernel package
can't change another
an ammendent
that clarifies reality, so that Adrian doesn't get mislead again :-).
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the S*exim
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is, in fact, intended
only for the local admin.
Puzzled by the Neither :),
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. Rather the opposite.
Oh, I don't know if it's an ugly hack.
Well, one reason it's ugly is that your -remove tasks will show up in
the Task Selection dialog that runs before the initial install. I expect
that many new users would be rather confused...
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of libraries or not.
apt-get install foo shows all the new packages it's going to install
before doing anything, giving you plenty of time to stop it. What's the
big deal?
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systems, so maybe that doesn't
apply here.)
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is the same; it just went to yucom.be, who
held it for a 4 days and then respewed it back to me at master. Any
ideas what's going on? Or how I can make it stop?
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marking it as such in the BTS. Our user's have every right to expect
this.
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kernel competency.
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unmaintained for so long that one person is
effectively the full-time maintainer via NMUs, then they need to adopt
the package.
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procedure (attempted to contact maintainer,
filed diff in BTS, etc.), this might be a legitimate counter-argument.
Given that the bugs being fixed weren't RC, to introduce a new bugs (and
not even subtle ones) seems particulary ill-advised.
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replies. Sorry that wasn't clear.
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effort to send a message to several hundred (thousand?) people is a
good thing. The other thinks that any possible words they utter deserve
viewing by those same hundreds (thousands?) of people. One can probably
discern from my description which side I'm on. :-))
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that should be listed
everywhere that that build-depends is mentioned.
/rant
Why are people determined to make information so hard to find?
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is not represented buy build-essentials, then I
think there's something wrong.
Note that I'm *not* saying Build-Depends is a bad thing: the porters do
a incredible job, and anything that makes their lives easier is worth
doing. But we ought to also minimize the cost to the other developers.
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That to me says Debian has permission to re-distribute our modified
version, but that people who recieve it from us do not, unless they too
ask permission (We do expect and appreciate...). Non-free. If she had
written just We appreciate... I'd be comfortable putting it in free.
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On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Steve Greenland wrote:
I think I miswrote earlier: I wrote build-essentials when I should
have written Build-Depends. And I'd wager that the vast majority
of the Debian developers have no need at all
On 01-Sep-00, 15:04 (CDT), Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Steve Greenland wrote:
Those people would be equally well served by a note or check at the
beginning of the debian/rules file; we didn't need policy and a new
control file headers
argument. I think
*if* a package needs a specific version of debhelper it would be fine to
put it into the build-depends list. I also think it's reasonable to say
the current version of debhelper is build-essential.
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to worry about compiler and libc versions as well, so you might as
well build everything.
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On 30-Aug-00, 12:51 (CDT), Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2830T112651-0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
That's pretty much the definition (or at least the *use*) of
Build-Essential: packages that may be assumed to be present, so that
they need not be listed in Build
On 30-Aug-00, 15:08 (CDT), Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Previously Steve Greenland wrote:
It is not unreasonable to assume that the latest-and-greatest version of
all the build-essential packages will be installed.
I wonder what world you are living in. It is in reality
On 19-Aug-00, 18:56 (CDT), Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
for things like querying (dpkg -s and such) install dlocate it solves
that problem the Right Way. (unfortunatly it got removed from potato
for less then critical bugs)
man apt-cache. (Assuming you're using apt-get either
On 18-Aug-00, 06:26 (CDT), Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
Supporting this, there's some Apt changes in CVS that'll let people choose
a few packages from one distribution and leave the rest from another.
To whoever implemented this feature: ThankyouThankyouThankyou -- it's
On 16-Aug-00, 23:43 (CDT), Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 05:48:11PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
What trouble is that? I don't consider having to type /sbin/traceroute
or add /sbin to my path trouble.
Obviously you haven't typed the actual path
On 16-Aug-00, 02:11 (CDT), Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Belive it or not, I know how to safely manage temp files and protect
sensitive information with unix permissions.
I know you do, Joey, but my concern is that since the permission
violation occurs in the backend, when the backend
On 15-Aug-00, 17:12 (CDT), Eray Ozkural [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was confused by not having ifconfig in my user path. On this
machine, there's only a dial-up net connection, and it has some small
connectivity problems. I need to check whether the line's really up. I
found myself going
On 16-Aug-00, 12:31 (CDT), Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blindly following your fiat declarations about traceroute are getting us
into trouble now.
What trouble is that? I don't consider having to type /sbin/traceroute
or add /sbin to my path trouble.
The constitution clearly
On 15-Aug-00, 02:54 (CDT), Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As another example though, look at heimdal-kdc, which needs to ask for
the password, which must be kept as secure as possible.
Which reminds me, what sort of security is enabled in debconf? Can any
user read the values from the
On 15-Aug-00, 14:35 (CDT), paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why is it considered difficult for individual users adding /sbin and
/usr/sbin to their path if they wish to?
Because stating that it is difficult is seen as an valid argument by
those who wish sbin would go away. The fact that it is
On 11-Aug-00, 19:04 (CDT), Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
debview - Emacs mode for viewing Debian packages
(And I, for one, would not object to debview being folded into dpkg.)
As a vi user, I would.
Why? Oh, I see, because it depends on (x
On 30-Mar-00, 13:01 (CST), Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 30-Mar-00, 05:43 (CST), Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Package: debianutils (debian/main).
Maintainer: Guy Maor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
59121 run-parts hangs during /etc/cron.daily runs
There's a reasonable
installation + $100 to set up the DNS (no, not register a domain,
*just* to configure the DNS). (And yes, they want the $100 installation
even though I already have everything set up and all they would have to
do is allocate the IP addresses.)
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59121 run-parts hangs during /etc/cron.daily runs
There's a reasonable looking explanation and patch associated with this
bug. Guy, would you like me to do an NMU?
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this confusing. It seems to imply that I have to hit + twice to
install a package and - twice to remove it. Very weird. What's wrong
with '=' (keep the same)?
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the control file:
Source: ddclient
Section: net
Priority: extra
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Standards-Version: 3.1.1
Package: ddclient
Architecture: all
Depends: perl5, debconf
Description: Update dynamic IP address at DynDNS.org
A perl based client to update your dynamic IP
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Package: nvi (debian/main)
Maintainer: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
61035 nvi munches database dump
Fixed and in potato.
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*Plus reports v 8.1.5) with the latest
patches (as of a month ago) on a potato box with no obvious problems, I
don't have any compatibility libs installed.
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On 24-Mar-00, 03:22 (CST), Peter Cordes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Because that's what xterms do (by default) on every other single X
implementation ever done? (Ok, that's probably an exageration...but not
completely misleading, either
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(I wonder if the preference for light-on-dark vs dark-on-light depends
on ambient light conditions?)
I usually like to work in a relatively dark room. I think I'm nocturnal or
something (looks at clock
, and the expectation that a
user who finds value in use of traceroute or ifconfig or whatever is
also a user who is capable of modifying their path.
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) of blue to
something lighter, then fine, do it. But I strongly believe that you
won't get anywhere near that much agreement.)
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default configs.)
If you're setting up a default color scheme for an app, the basic rule
is to use light colored text on dark backgrounds, and dark colored text
on light backgrounds. The only other thing you need to know is that
neither red nor blue are light colors.
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than apt-move (YMMV), and has the advantage (to me,
at least) that it's order-independent and completely transparent (it
doesn't matter what order which machines access the cache, one always
gets the freshest stuff, and doesn't double-download anything.)
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a dir
FWIW, I e-mailed Tom on Monday offering help, and he replied that he had
the RC stuff under control.
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to the space key? You're right: the defaults should cater to the
new user, but there's no reason to deliberatly aggravate the experienced
user.
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On 16-Mar-00, 21:33 (CST), Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Like I said though, I am not messing with any of this until potato is
released.
Oh, absolutely. However, Wichert wrote woody+2, which seemed
excessive (at current rate of release, that's about 2003.)
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you fucking misrepresent my position and
twist what i said in such a reprehensible manner?
Why not? You do it to everybody else.
In the meantime, plonk!
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or to
be bug-free. it means that it has been tested reasonably thoroughly
and that as far as we can tell, it works as an integrated system on a
wide variety of machines. caveat emptor.
That's a hell of lot stronger promise than could completely hose your
system.
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*before* the
default directories. I don't have an opinion about where the X stuff
should go, but the above argument is completely bogus FUD.
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is not making us reach our technical goals.
Let's see, we're going to release potato (I *hope*) before kernel 2.4.0
is released, but we're outdated. Hmmm. Somehow, I just don't get it.
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adding/removing packages either :).
But the config files are not necessarily added by install. However, the
description of remove in the apt-get man page could be more explicit.
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that (and I don't forsee it happening,
after various other x should be the standard y flamefests), I think
things should stay as they are. (In the Standard vs. Optional debate,
that is. I suspect the update-alternatives priority for vim should be
looked at.)
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that *doesn't* need to perform the special action.
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affecting one package
to completely break it (if, in fact, it does -- I haven't tried it). It
should just ignore the affected package(s).
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a package unusable by
just one person in an odd sitution. On the other hand, I think all security
and data loss bugs are grave, even if only a few people can trigger them.
I agree with this conceptually, but again, it doesn't seem like that big
a deal to me.
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interface to the archive, which might be a good thing anyway;
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On 17-Sep-99, 04:35 (CDT), J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 20:26:15 -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
I saw much talk about fakeroot not working with the new glibc, much talk
about it being difficult to fix, and no talk about it being fixed.
Actually
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