Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/07/2013 10:34 PM, Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: Debian backports offers me *one* repository. I need 3 of them: I don't see why. The combination of suites we have now should be enough. Here is what I would do... - stable -1 (currently OpenStack

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/07/2013 04:12 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Providing backports doesn't free you from the burden of making sure upgrades work. Thomas is facing a very large chunk of work to make sure upgrades from the no-longer-supported E release to whatever might be in jessie, since upstream breaks APIs

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-05-09 15:58:02 +0800 (+0800), Thomas Goirand wrote: On 05/07/2013 10:34 PM, Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: [...] Also, the rules in backports is that packages should be already migrated to testing. The point is, if I had PPAs, I wouldn't

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/07/2013 03:34 PM, Joerg Jaspert wrote: While there are certainly use cases that will stay in a PPA forever (Thomas described one) And I seriously wished it wasn't the case, and that upstream understood better what the distribution requirements are. This should be considered as the last

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-05-09 22:55:33 +0800 (+0800), Thomas Goirand wrote: [...] And I seriously wished it wasn't the case, and that upstream understood better what the distribution requirements are. [...] Actually, in this case (OpenStack) from what I've seen the upstream community understands the

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/07/2013 12:23 PM, Adrian Alves wrote: Why I vote NO for ppa in Debian, Something that everybody loves about debian is you have everything in one repo for stable testing or development, the use of PPA it couse things like happens in ubuntu when u need something important you need to

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Brian May
On 7 May 2013 17:03, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: Now, if I had PPA, then I could follow upstream release cycles. Every 6 months, I would destroy the PPA for OpenStack stable -2, and create a new stable PPA. I could put all the backport software I need in there. No need to worry

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 13204 March 1977, Adrian Alves wrote: Why I vote NO for ppa in Debian, Unless someone runs a GR, its not a vote. Im happy for changes/improvements, but it will come, so a no isn't the way. Something that everybody loves about debian is you have everything in one repo for stable testing or

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Brian May On 7 May 2013 17:03, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: Now, if I had PPA, then I could follow upstream release cycles. Every 6 months, I would destroy the PPA for OpenStack stable -2, and create a new stable PPA. I could put all the backport software I need in there.

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/07/2013 03:11 PM, Brian May wrote: On 7 May 2013 17:03, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org mailto:z...@debian.org wrote: Now, if I had PPA, then I could follow upstream release cycles. Every 6 months, I would destroy the PPA for OpenStack stable -2, and create a new stable

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Paul Wise pabs at debian.org writes: I think you may have misunderstood the Debian PPA proposal. It will not be like the Ubuntu PPA system where anyone can upload a package to Call it DPA then? Debianprojectmember Personal Archive bye, //mirabilos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: Debian backports offers me *one* repository. I need 3 of them: I don't see why. The combination of suites we have now should be enough. Here is what I would do... - stable -1 (currently OpenStack Folsom) Ignore, is there any reason why

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Simon McVittie
On 07/05/13 15:34, Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: Debian backports offers me *one* repository. I need 3 of them: - stable -1 (currently OpenStack Folsom) Ignore, is there any reason why an old version is interesting? Because Debian testing has it

Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-06 Thread Adrian Alves
Why I vote NO for ppa in Debian, Something that everybody loves about debian is you have everything in one repo for stable testing or development, the use of PPA it couse things like happens in ubuntu when u need something important you need to install it from a PPA because is not in the repo

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-06 Thread Brian May
On 7 May 2013 14:23, Adrian Alves aal...@gmail.com wrote: am not saying PPA is bad just worried about not to lose the magic of debian who has everything in one place. This is already the case. Not everything I package deserves to go into Debian main. e.g. because it is specific to a problem I

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-06 Thread Adrian Alves
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.auwrote: On 7 May 2013 14:23, Adrian Alves aal...@gmail.com wrote: am not saying PPA is bad just worried about not to lose the magic of debian who has everything in one place. This is already the case. Not everything I

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-06 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Adrian Alves wrote: well as u explain it has logic but whats happens if that never happens on that way? and packages that deserve to be in Debian repos never reach it because it never be pushed into? or how you gonna look into all the PPA's looking for