Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-29 Thread Stéphane Glondu
Le 28/03/2014 08:23, Matt Grant a écrit : One thing that put me off ifupdown quite some time ago was finding that configured bridges made NFS client mounts on the host wait... who would implement a bridge with interface listen/wait/STP functionality on a pure work station or server? Sounds

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Stéphane Glondu glo...@debian.org writes: Le 28/03/2014 08:23, Matt Grant a écrit : One thing that put me off ifupdown quite some time ago was finding that configured bridges made NFS client mounts on the host wait... who would implement a bridge with interface listen/wait/STP functionality

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-29 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 01:34:27 -0400 (EDT), Andrei POPESCU wrote: Or connman. Frankly, I think that the claim that ifupdown is dysfunctional is an exaggeration at best and untrue at worst. I am not claiming that it is bug free; but in my experience, it works just fine; and I see no compelling

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-29 Thread Andreas Barth
* Stephen Powell (zlinux...@wowway.com) [140329 15:05]: On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 01:34:27 -0400 (EDT), Andrei POPESCU wrote: Or connman. Frankly, I think that the claim that ifupdown is dysfunctional is an exaggeration at best and untrue at worst. I am not claiming that it is bug free; but

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-29 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 15:37:28 +0100, Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org wrote: * Stephen Powell (zlinux...@wowway.com) [140329 15:05]: On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 01:34:27 -0400 (EDT), Andrei POPESCU wrote: Or connman. Frankly, I think that the claim that ifupdown is dysfunctional is an exaggeration

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-29 Thread Cameron Norman
El Fri, 28 de Mar 2014 a las 2:28 AM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org escribió: Le vendredi 28 mars 2014 à 20:23 +1300, Matt Grant a écrit : I sincerely would like to work with the ifupdown maintainer and systemd/udev crew to work all this out. A basic level/interface of functionality for

Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-28 Thread Matt Grant
Hi! I am the developer of netscript-2.4, an alternative network configuration system for Debian written in /bin/bash - quite old. First of all, though, my stuff is not the glorious gloopiest best. I have split the iptables stuff out to netscript-ipfilter, better than iptables-persistent I must

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-28 Thread Andrew Shadura
Hello, On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 20:23:15 +1300 Matt Grant m...@mattgrant.net.nz wrote: I KNOW MY STUFF COULD/SHOULD BE BETTER! Maybe I should reimplement a lot of it using only what is provided by perl-base and /bin/sh, but lets get some sense here please. Thanks for the rant, it's been

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 28 mars 2014 à 20:23 +1300, Matt Grant a écrit : I sincerely would like to work with the ifupdown maintainer and systemd/udev crew to work all this out. A basic level/interface of functionality for replaceable network configuration packages would be nice. Alternatively, we could

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: Alternatively, we could make NetworkManager the default. It is already here, it works, and it doesn’t have such problems. Or systemd-networkd. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-28 Thread Matt Grant
Hi Andrew, I am willing to co-maintain it with you and evolve it. Previously I have worked professionally as a router programmer, and have contributed to Quagga/Zebra OSPF. Please also note that's there's no point in rewriting ifupdown from scratch to provide the same interface; the existing

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-28 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Paul Wise pabs at debian.org writes: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: Alternatively, we could make NetworkManager the default. It is already here, it works, and it doesn’t have such problems. Or systemd-networkd. I surely hope the both of you are kidding. bye,

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 28 mars 2014 à 11:45 +, Thorsten Glaser a écrit : Paul Wise pabs at debian.org writes: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: Alternatively, we could make NetworkManager the default. It is already here, it works, and it doesn’t have such problems.

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-28 Thread Russ Allbery
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: Alternatively, we could make NetworkManager the default. It is already here, it works, and it doesn’t have such problems. Or systemd-networkd. systemd-networkd is not even close to mature yet. If

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 28 mars 2014 à 11:55 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : I realize that doing that well is not horribly challenging, but that is the most common server use case (and even desktop), and ifupdown does it quite well. Come on. We all use ifupdown on our servers just because it is the default

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-28 Thread Russ Allbery
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le vendredi 28 mars 2014 à 11:55 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : I realize that doing that well is not horribly challenging, but that is the most common server use case (and even desktop), and ifupdown does it quite well. Come on. We all use ifupdown

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-28 Thread Matt Grant
Hi! Actually, I would love to cleanly modify ifupdown with a lot of the experience I have gained from netscript, and working on actual routers. Making it not so onerous would not be that much work, and it would have far better behaviour once improvements are made. I am putting myself forward for

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

2014-03-28 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 28 mar 14, 17:39:39, Paul Wise wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: Alternatively, we could make NetworkManager the default. It is already here, it works, and it doesn’t have such problems. Or systemd-networkd. Or connman. Kind regards, Andrei --