Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-20 Thread Jan Hauke Rahm
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 09:43:45PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2011, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: No. Simply answer the question: Is this VCS used by derived distros, too? If not, it's Debian only. Two examples: The git repository for apt-mirror is used only for Debian

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-19 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: No. Simply answer the question: Is this VCS used by derived distros, too? If not, it's Debian only. Two examples: The git repository for apt-mirror is used only for Debian (there's only the master branch). The git repository for vlc is used for

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-09 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sat, Apr 09, 2011 at 11:57:58AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: YAML is also used in other Debian processes, like for instance some reports generated by the FTP team. All in all, I do not have the impression that the use of YAML would cause difficulties to Debian packages maintainers. The

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-08 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 03:08:33PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit : On 04/07/2011 10:11 AM, Charles Plessy wrote: http://wiki.debian.org/UpstreamMetadata The key concept is to store ‘Field: value’ data in a file called debian/upstream-metadata.yaml, and to access it from the VCS where

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
that needs to be put into the Sources file. +1 And I'm not really keen on recognizing more Vcs-* fields in debian/control as far as dpkg-dev is concerned. There are lots of upstream-metadata that we might want to have available and we need to find a proper solution that doesn't involve debian/control

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-07 Thread Ben Finney
Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes: I would instead suggest we deprecate packages not including upstream source in their VCS. The weight of progress is against that practice; It is? Where can I read about this supposed weight of progress? Keeping the debian packaging files in a separate

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-07 Thread Ben Finney
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: If upstream is using some other weird thing like bzr or Mercurial or whatnot, we're now getting into rather more effort than I'd personally want to bother with. If Bazaar and Mercurial are “some other weird thing”, that doesn't bode well for the future of

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: If upstream is using some other weird thing like bzr or Mercurial or whatnot, we're now getting into rather more effort than I'd personally want to bother with. If Bazaar and Mercurial are “some other weird

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-07 Thread Ben Finney
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: You are both taking out of context a specific example within a larger discussion that had nothing to do with your reply, and attributing to me rather impressive and stunning power over Debian as a whole. :) I object! How dare you call me short! :-) --

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-07 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO En cette aube naissante du jeudi 07 avril 2011, vers 07:46, Joey Hess jo...@debian.org disait : We (lindi, liw and me) had just a short discussion in #-devel, that it would be nice to have some sort of Vcs-Upstream-* in debian/control, to be able to get to upstreams vcs history if it

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-07 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 10:53:55PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : However, is the control file really the right place for that? I guess we don't have a better place right now, but this doesn't feel like package metadata that needs to be put into the Sources file. Hi, there is my pet project

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Joey Hess jo...@debian.org wrote: I would instead suggest we deprecate packages not including upstream source in their VCS. The weight of progress is against that practice; tools have improved so there is little excuse to do it, it increasingly violates

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-07 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 08:22:06AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: There are lots of upstream-metadata that we might want to have available and we need to find a proper solution that doesn't involve debian/control. In Debian Med and Debian Science we are just using

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-07 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 04/07/2011 10:11 AM, Charles Plessy wrote: http://wiki.debian.org/UpstreamMetadata The key concept is to store ‘Field: value’ data in a file called debian/upstream-metadata.yaml, and to access it from the VCS where the package is stored (that is, not from the source package itself). Uh

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-07 Thread Jelmer Vernooij
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 16:33 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes: * pristine-tar cannot be used The assumptions of ‘pristine-tar’ seem very Git-centric and are quite at odds with my chosen VCS (Bazaar). It demands a “treeish object”, I have no idea what that relates

More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-06 Thread Evgeni Golov
Hi -devel! We (lindi, liw and me) had just a short discussion in #-devel, that it would be nice to have some sort of Vcs-Upstream-* in debian/control, to be able to get to upstreams vcs history if it is not imported in debian's vcs (which is often the case when using svn-bp or git-bf with

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-06 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Mittwoch, den 06.04.2011, 12:06 +0200 schrieb Evgeni Golov: Hi -devel! We (lindi, liw and me) had just a short discussion in #-devel, that it would be nice to have some sort of Vcs-Upstream-* in debian/control, to be able to get to upstreams vcs history if it is not imported in debian's

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 12:28:39PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote: We (lindi, liw and me) had just a short discussion in #-devel, that it would be nice to have some sort of Vcs-Upstream-* in debian/control, to be able to get to upstreams vcs history if it is not imported in debian's vcs

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-06 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Mittwoch, den 06.04.2011, 11:39 -0700 schrieb Steve Langasek: On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 12:28:39PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote: We (lindi, liw and me) had just a short discussion in #-devel, that it would be nice to have some sort of Vcs-Upstream-* in debian/control, to be able to get

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-06 Thread Jan Hauke Rahm
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 08:55:05PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 06.04.2011, 11:39 -0700 schrieb Steve Langasek: On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 12:28:39PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote: There should be a Vcs-Debian-* too and used in most cases. A package should use Vcs-Debian-* if

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-06 Thread Joey Hess
Evgeni Golov wrote: We (lindi, liw and me) had just a short discussion in #-devel, that it would be nice to have some sort of Vcs-Upstream-* in debian/control, to be able to get to upstreams vcs history if it is not imported in debian's vcs (which is often the case when using svn-bp or git-bf

Re: More Vcs-Fields in debian/control?

2011-04-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes: Evgeni Golov wrote: We (lindi, liw and me) had just a short discussion in #-devel, that it would be nice to have some sort of Vcs-Upstream-* in debian/control, to be able to get to upstreams vcs history if it is not imported in debian's vcs (which is often