On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote:
David Kalnischkies kalnischk...@gmail.com writes:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote:
Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.de writes:
Lars Wirzenius liw at liw.fi writes:
I write a backup
On 10/26/2013 09:17 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:02:00AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
I'm fed up with repeated attempts to force components on the rest of the
system, but that's mostly a fault of Gnome's upstream
There seems to be a trend emanating from packages
Can this be taken off-list? I don't care either way, I'd still take his
points even if he wasn't.
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:
On 10/26/2013 09:17 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:02:00AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
I'm fed up
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org (2013-10-27):
If you don't mind that I ask: are you a GNOME developer?
That comes to mind:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Olav+Vitters+Gnome
https://lists.debian.org/20131024192452.ga29...@bkor.dhs.org
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On 2013-10-27, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:
If you don't mind that I ask: are you a GNOME developer?
Olav is a gnome developer, yes.
/Sune
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On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:00:42PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Do, 24 Okt 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
at this point, I would like to point at a very important part of the
revised code of conduct that Wouter is proposing: Assume good faith.
On Do, 24 Okt 2013, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:02:00AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
I'm fed up with repeated attempts to force components on the rest of the
system, but that's mostly a fault of Gnome's upstream
There seems to be a trend emanating from packages involving RedHat devs.
I actually went to the
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 01:41:29AM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
Trying to say [GNOME upstream] continuously try to [...] force their
blessings on all users. is just wrong. Nobody is forced to use Gnome.
Sorry, I've implicitly meant all _of their_ users. My apologies.
I write a
Lars Wirzenius liw at liw.fi writes:
I write a backup program. It uses its own storage format, and people
sometimes ask if they could use tar files instead. But I am evil
incarnate and FORCE them to use my own storage format instead. Should
[…]
can be, and I think that the storage format I've
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:38:56AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
found it usable even in 1.x days), is also true for GNOME: it
is said to disable the ability of users to theme and customise
it, and Torvalds’ opinions are well-known.)
GNOME tweak tool has existed since GNOME 3. It has been
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:54:47 +0200, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl
wrote:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:38:56AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
found it usable even in 1.x days), is also true for GNOME: it
is said to disable the ability of users to theme and customise
it, and Torvalds’ opinions are
Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.de writes:
Lars Wirzenius liw at liw.fi writes:
I write a backup program. It uses its own storage format, and people
sometimes ask if they could use tar files instead. But I am evil
incarnate and FORCE them to use my own storage format instead. Should
[…]
can be,
Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes:
To cut a long story short, I am not convinced that by open sourcing my
code I am acquiring a moral obligation to take into account the
preferences of potential users in future versions - no matter how large
(or vocal) the userbase.
+1
Obviously, there
Nikolaus Rath dixit:
To cut a long story short, I am not convinced that by open sourcing my
code I am acquiring a moral obligation to take into account the
preferences of potential users in future versions - no matter how large
But that’s just the thing! You are!
Of course, only in a way, and
I'm fed up with repeated attempts to force components on the rest of the
system, but that's mostly a fault of Gnome's upstream
There seems to be a trend emanating from packages involving RedHat devs.
I actually went to the RedHat site a few weeks ago to try and get some
sort of oversight on
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote:
Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.de writes:
Lars Wirzenius liw at liw.fi writes:
I write a backup program. It uses its own storage format, and people
sometimes ask if they could use tar files instead. But I am evil
incarnate
David Kalnischkies kalnischk...@gmail.com writes:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote:
Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.de writes:
Lars Wirzenius liw at liw.fi writes:
I write a backup program. It uses its own storage format, and people
sometimes ask if they
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 06:15:28PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:54:47 +0200, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl
wrote:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:38:56AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
found it usable even in 1.x days), is also true for GNOME: it
is said to disable the ability
On Do, 24 Okt 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
at this point, I would like to point at a very important part of the
revised code of conduct that Wouter is proposing: Assume good faith.
On Do, 24 Okt 2013, Adam Borowski wrote:
My apologies, I overreacted.
Oh holy s...sunshine (I have to be
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:00:42PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Do, 24 Okt 2013, Adam Borowski wrote:
My apologies, I overreacted.
Clear critic with real background - many of us have the same experience -
(how many times did my system break in the last years due to GNome?)
are silence
On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:00:42 +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Do, 24 Okt 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
at this point, I would like to point at a very important part of the
revised code of conduct that Wouter is proposing: Assume good faith.
On Do, 24 Okt 2013, Adam Borowski wrote:
My
On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 16:30 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
Now, let me know - is this the new way of silencing critical voices?
No. But it is a gigantic leap forward in the culture of our community.
Well arguably, one shouldn't be too surprised if people get more and
more pissed off by
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:00:42PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Do, 24 Okt 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
at this point, I would like to point at a very important part of the
revised code of conduct that Wouter is proposing: Assume good faith.
On Do, 24 Okt 2013, Adam Borowski wrote:
My
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 06:33:34PM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
I know of my own tickets I've reported upstream and how outrageously
GNOME deals with some critical things...
Could you give me a few bugnumbers and/or be more concrete what you mean
with outrageously? Do you mean someone
On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 21:42 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
Could you give me a few bugnumbers and/or be more concrete what you mean
with outrageously?
Yeah I could, but this already turned far too much into a flame war.
There's e.g. the bug that Evolution silently corrupts eMails, which is
known now
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:07:53PM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
I'd call such cases even intentional malicious behaviour against user.
I'm sure you can easily find the related bugs, but please keep them away
from here, since the flames do not need even more coals to burn higher.
This seems a little bit of a distraction from the issue at hand (Debian
Development) — perhaps you and the OP could follow up off list?
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On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 22:37 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:07:53PM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
I'd call such cases even intentional malicious behaviour against user.
I'm sure you can easily find the related bugs, but please keep them away
from here,
On 25 October 2013 03:33, Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.netwrote:
Well arguably, one shouldn't be too surprised if people get more and
more pissed off by GNOME _upstream_ .
They continuously try to push their agenda through and force their
blessings (most of the time broken, e.g.
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 09:39 +1100, Brian May wrote:
If you don't like Gnome, nobody is forcing you to use it.
Well actually it's not that easy to avoid all of it, at least you get
some libraries even when using 3rd party GTK/GNOME apps.
Trying to say [GNOME upstream] continuously try to
Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net writes:
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 09:39 +1100, Brian May wrote:
If you don't like Gnome, nobody is forcing you to use it.
Well actually it's not that easy to avoid all of it, at least you get
some libraries even when using 3rd party GTK/GNOME apps.
Le 25/10/2013 00:39, Brian May a écrit :
On 25 October 2013 03:33, Christoph Anton Mitterer
cales...@scientia.net mailto:cales...@scientia.net wrote:
Well arguably, one shouldn't be too surprised if people get more and
more pissed off by GNOME _upstream_ .
They continuously try
Le Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 02:09:46AM +0200, Adam Borowski a écrit :
Also, GNOME does _not_ absolutely need systemd. Proof: Ubuntu. This part
of its packaging in Debian strikes me as being intentionally malicious to
push an agenda. And this is not the first time, we had this with Network
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:25:52AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 02:09:46AM +0200, Adam Borowski a écrit :
Also, GNOME does _not_ absolutely need systemd. Proof: Ubuntu. This part
of its packaging in Debian strikes me as being intentionally malicious to
push an
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