Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-08 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Jeff Teunissen [Thu, 07 Oct 2004 03:52:37 -0400]: What DOES bug me is mindlessly adding gnustep- to the names of all packages that use it, because most of the developers of those packages have dick to do with some mythical GNUstep desktop, which itself does not exist. but note that

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-08 Thread Jeff Teunissen
Adeodato Simó wrote: * Jeff Teunissen [Thu, 07 Oct 2004 03:52:37 -0400]: What DOES bug me is mindlessly adding gnustep- to the names of all packages that use it, because most of the developers of those packages have dick to do with some mythical GNUstep desktop, which itself does not

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-08 Thread Alexander Schmehl
* Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [041008 10:11]: (b) what can be regarded as most useful for our users (I, at lest, think it is, and some other people will as well, I hope). I don't really see how it's useful -- it doesn't matter what libs are used by an app. In my

Re: Re: Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread Jeff Teunissen
(Note: I'm not subscribed to -devel, only -private and d-d-a, so please Cc me on replies -- this text is copied from the web archives, which is the reason the references are gone) Steve Greenland wrote: On 06-Oct-04, 06:41 (CDT), Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And developers writing

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread Miles Bader
Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So do we. The names for GNUstep-based programs ARE unique -- no other free software is using (or, to my knowledge, has ever used) those names, and the names that conflict are named as they are for descriptiveness and for compatibility (Terminal,

Re: Re: Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread Petri Latvala
On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 09:20, Jeff Teunissen wrote: On 06-Oct-04, 06:41 (CDT), Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And developers writing with GNUstep recognize the same thing. The difference is that we *have* to give enough information about an app using only two pieces of

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread Jeff Teunissen
Petri Latvala wrote: [fixing attributions] On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 09:20, Jeff Teunissen wrote: [Steve Greenland wrote:] On 06-Oct-04, 06:41 (CDT), Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And developers writing with GNUstep recognize the same thing. The difference is that we *have*

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread Frank Küster
Tilo Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 04 October 2004 20:23, Frank Küster wrote: I must have missed this thread... What is .bundle meant to indicate? On NeXT-Step systems the .bundle suffix of a directory indicates a dynamically linkable module (basically like a shared lib).

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread Tilo Schwarz
On Thursday 07 October 2004 10:09, Frank Küster wrote: Tilo Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 04 October 2004 20:23, Frank Küster wrote: I must have missed this thread... What is .bundle meant to indicate? On NeXT-Step systems the .bundle suffix of a directory indicates a

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread Frank Küster
Tilo Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 07 October 2004 10:09, Frank Küster wrote: Tilo Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 04 October 2004 20:23, Frank Küster wrote: I must have missed this thread... What is .bundle meant to indicate? On NeXT-Step systems the .bundle

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-06 Thread Graham Wilson
On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 07:40:06PM -0800, D. Starner wrote: I just installed the textedit.app package; it pulled in a few GNUstep libraries, but not a complete desktop environment. Do the GNUstep libs still start a demon at startup? Last time I checked, they did, instead of starting them

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-06 Thread D. Starner
I am not sure what you mean by startup. When Linux boots up. When the libraries were loaded, they started a few daemons, but, I believe KDE and GNOME libraries do the same thing. Again, how is GNUstep any different in this regard than the other desktop environments? At one point in time,

Re: Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-06 Thread Jeff Teunissen
Miles Bader wrote: Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For me, I don't want GNUstep in the names of my programs because I am not connected to GNUstep and don't want to be. It is just a couple of libraries that I use to write my apps -- you wouldn't put GTK+ in the name of your apps,

Re: Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-06 Thread Steve Greenland
On 06-Oct-04, 06:41 (CDT), Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And developers writing with GNUstep recognize the same thing. The difference is that we *have* to give enough information about an app using only two pieces of information -- the name of the app and its icon. *Have* to? Why?

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-06 Thread Tilo Schwarz
On Monday 04 October 2004 20:23, Frank Küster wrote: Hi, could you do me the favor of producing readable mails, i.e. with empty lines between text and quotes, and sensible line lengths? Gürkan Sengün [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, Build-Depends: debhelper (= 4.0.0),

Re: Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-06 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 07:41:03AM -0400, Jeff Teunissen wrote: Miles Bader wrote: Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For me, I don't want GNUstep in the names of my programs because I am not connected to GNUstep and don't want to be. It is just a couple of libraries that I use

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-06 Thread Miles Bader
Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many gnustep apps OTOH, use absurdly generic names, and I can only conclude that the developers do not think about mixed systems at all. I disagree in the first case, and you are incorrect in the second. What can I say? You claim this, but the

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-05 Thread Frank Küster
Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Küster wrote: If I'm wrong, I apologize and will not object against cddb.bundle (at least not because of this. Still the .bundle part is meaningless to me, but that might be due to my bad english). If I am not wrong, and GNUstep applications are

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
Graham Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I said without GNOME installed, I meant without the entire GNOME desktop environment installed: nautilus, gnome-session, metacity, etc. No Gnome application I'm aware of requires metacity. I don't believe that gnome-session will be pulled in except

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-05 Thread Graham Wilson
On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 11:00:56AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Graham Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I said without GNOME installed, I meant without the entire GNOME desktop environment installed: nautilus, gnome-session, metacity, etc. No Gnome application I'm aware of requires

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-05 Thread Jeff Teunissen
Frank Küster wrote: Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Küster wrote: If I'm wrong, I apologize and will not object against cddb.bundle (at least not because of this. Still the .bundle part is meaningless to me, but that might be due to my bad english). If I am not wrong,

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-05 Thread Miles Bader
Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For me, I don't want GNUstep in the names of my programs because I am not connected to GNUstep and don't want to be. It is just a couple of libraries that I use to write my apps -- you wouldn't put GTK+ in the name of your apps, would you? Most GTK+

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-05 Thread D. Starner
I just installed the textedit.app package; it pulled in a few GNUstep libraries, but not a complete desktop environment. Do the GNUstep libs still start a demon at startup? Last time I checked, they did, instead of starting them only if you were running a GNUstep program, like KDE and GNOME

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-04 Thread Jeff Teunissen
Frank Küster wrote: Graham Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 05:27:59PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Seo Sanghyeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: For example, camera package name was changed to camera.app to prevent namespace pollution. Are you saying that it should

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-04 Thread Graham Wilson
On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 07:44:12PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Graham Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 05:27:59PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: I don't mind what it's called as long as I can see by its name that it is useless without gnustep. In other words: There has