Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-06 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Luis Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070105 18:13]: Such a gallery should at least include some notice about the copyright owners and licenses of the parts it is composed from, best with also links to the source packages used. (And the one operating that gallery ask a lawyer if more is needed)

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-06 Thread Luis Matos
Sáb, 2007-01-06 às 12:01 +0100, Bernhard R. Link escreveu: * Luis Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070105 18:13]: Such a gallery should at least include some notice about the copyright owners and licenses of the parts it is composed from, best with also links to the source packages used. (And

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-06 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Indeed, given applications are not good examples for this matter. Although it would be somewhat a waste of bandwidth, but having a screenshot of a CLI application with output its produces for a typical use case sounds like a good idea IMHO. Or, to make it less waste, I suggest to allow for a

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 12:37:53PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: - Provide an HTML interface to the pool If the packages names are the same I don't see the need to add yet another line to the debian/control file, packages.debian.org would just need to point to

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Andrea Bolognani
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:32:52 -0500 Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would really appreciate any comments and suggestions on this. What I don't really get is, why would we want a similar service in Debian? We should already be pointing to the upstream site with the Homepage:

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Jorge Salamero Sanz
On Friday 05 January 2007 11:55, Andrea Bolognani wrote: What I don't really get is, why would we want a similar service in Debian? We should already be pointing to the upstream site with the Homepage: pseudo-header, and in case of GUI programs or games there are usually plenty of screenshots

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Andrea Bolognani
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:16:25 +0100 Jorge Salamero Sanz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: those extra fields like homepage and screenshot have their point in integration with gui pkg managers. It seems just overkill to me. If the screenshots are going to need an Internet connection to be viewed anyway,

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Steve Kemp
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:16:25PM +0100, Jorge Salamero Sanz wrote: On Friday 05 January 2007 11:55, Andrea Bolognani wrote: What I don't really get is, why would we want a similar service in Debian? We should already be pointing to the upstream site with the Homepage: pseudo-header, and

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Jorge Salamero Sanz
On Friday 05 January 2007 12:42, Andrea Bolognani wrote: It seems just overkill to me. If the screenshots are going to need an Internet connection to be viewed anyway, why the need to mirror them on a Debian server? because as Steve says, you can control the pics. And if they are going to

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Andrea Bolognani
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:41:19 + Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] X-pic: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/version.jpg This way multiple package versions can have distinct images, eg. the package in Etch, the package in Lenny, and the package in Sid. Each of which

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Andrea Bolognani
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:55:00 +0100 Jorge Salamero Sanz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if they are going to be viewable also offline, there should be a way to disable the download: I don't use a GUI frontend, so I don't want to download tons of PNG files I will never use. neither me i want to

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Steve Kemp
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:59:51PM +0100, Andrea Bolognani wrote: If we really use that scheme, there would be no need to declare an extra header -- the location of the file can be calculated by the package manager using the name of the package and the version number. Agreed. I just wanted

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Jorge Salamero Sanz
On Friday 05 January 2007 13:09, Steve Kemp wrote:   If going down the XML route then I see no real reason to have  a distinct file per version.  Instead have something like: we should be careful with one xml for all versions if we want to change something in the future.

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Steve Kemp
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 01:37:03PM +0100, Jorge Salamero Sanz wrote: On Friday 05 January 2007 13:09, Steve Kemp wrote: ? If going down the XML route then I see no real reason to have ?a distinct file per version. ?Instead have something like: we should be careful with one xml for all

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Luis Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070104 23:08]: I think the screenshot only package is a good option. The packages can be generated automatically from somewhere and uploaded to debian and target the same version as the package. The could be an web interface to help DD's to upload a gallery of

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Jorge Salamero Sanz
On Friday 05 January 2007 13:54, Steve Kemp wrote:   Surely that would be another argument in *favour* of XML?   (My understanding is that clients are supposed to ignore tags they  don't recognise ..) yes, but what if you want to change to different system in sid? you have to duplicate the

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 11:56:02PM -0700, Hubert Chan wrote: Another thing you may want to consider is to allow for redirects. e.g. if someone is looking for screenshots for, say, mozilla, then you can tell them to go to the iceape page instead. I think that can be accomplished by making

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 09:56:38AM +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: I think it would be best to follow backports.org here (read its 'contribution' page) and have users upload just like developers, using FTP since that makes it fully automated. Maybe provide a mechanism for DDs to

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 01:02:35PM +0100, Andrea Bolognani wrote: And BTW, I think no one would ever want to upload screenshots of CLI software ;) Why not? There is some cli software (links, mutt and mp3blaster come to mind) that have nice text-based UIs which can be presented to the user to

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 11:55:02AM +0100, Andrea Bolognani wrote: On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:32:52 -0500 Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would really appreciate any comments and suggestions on this. What I don't really get is, why would we want a similar service in Debian? For

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread The Fungi
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 03:47:56PM +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: [...] There is some cli software (links, mutt and mp3blaster come to mind) that have nice text-based UIs [...] To get pedantic, the applications you mention do have text-based interfaces, but are not good examples

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-05 Thread Luis Matos
Sex, 2007-01-05 às 14:13 +0100, Bernhard R. Link escreveu: Such a gallery should at least include some notice about the copyright owners and licenses of the parts it is composed from, best with also links to the source packages used. (And the one operating that gallery ask a lawyer if more is

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-04 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 05:32:52PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I'd be interested in knowing: * Would such an idea be feasible? Yes, it only requires somebody to code in the missing pieces (i.e. all of them) * Would maintainers be willing to occasionally upload screenshots? I would.

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-04 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 12:05:03AM +0100, Nico Golde wrote: Hi, this idea has been discussed recently, I just can't remember when exactly though, I'd say in the late 6 monthes. Maybe you can grab some names of people that were involved in the first proposal there. It may have been

RE: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-04 Thread Miriam Ruiz
--- Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: I would really appreciate any comments and suggestions on this. We discussed that idea in the Debian Games Team some time ago, and we're very interested in it. At least for games, having screenshots is something very important. Greetings,

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-04 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 05:41:35PM +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 05:32:52PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I'd be interested in knowing: * Would such an idea be feasible? Yes, it only requires somebody to code in the missing pieces (i.e. all of

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-04 Thread Luis Matos
Maybe in the /debian package, there could be a package.png that is the screenshot and make them available in the mirrors (pool). maybe creating a file such as Packages.gz or an extension to it, informing that it has the screenshot available. then the user could access the pool ... or ... use

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-04 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 08:46:40PM +, Luis Matos wrote: Maybe in the /debian package, there could be a package.png that is the screenshot and make them available in the mirrors (pool). maybe creating a file such as Packages.gz or an extension to it, informing that it has the screenshot

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-04 Thread Luis Matos
Qui, 2007-01-04 às 16:49 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez escreveu: - Requiring a new package upload just for screenshots (If we want to allow user contributed screenshots, the updates to the screenshots really need to be able to happen independently of the package uploads. I think the

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-04 Thread Hubert Chan
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 05:41:35PM +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: - Provide an HTML interface to the pool If the packages names are the same I don't see the need to add yet another line to the debian/control file, packages.debian.org would just need

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-03 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 05:32:52PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Today I was trying to explain to a friend the concept of using a package management front end to search for and install packages. He liked the idea of descriptions, but found it hard to imagine what some programs looked like.

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-03 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-01-03 23:53]: On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 05:32:52PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Today I was trying to explain to a friend the concept of using a package management front end to search for and install packages. He liked the idea of

Re: RFC: Proposal for official screenshot repo

2007-01-03 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 12:05:03AM +0100, Nico Golde wrote: Hi, * Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-01-03 23:53]: On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 05:32:52PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Today I was trying to explain to a friend the concept of using a package management front end to