Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-09-02 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Michael Niedermayer michae...@gmx.at wrote: also please dont remove ffmpeg-devel from the CC I had missed that you removed it so my reply went just to debian-devel full quote left below for ffmpeg-devel, no further inline comments Sorry about that. Last time I

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-29 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi Vittorio On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:45:42AM -0400, Vittorio Giovara wrote: On 12/08/2014 18:30, Michael Niedermayer wrote: Also ive offered my resignation in the past. I do still offer to resign from the FFmpeg leader position, if it resolves this split between FFmpeg and Libav and make

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-29 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi Vittorio also please dont remove ffmpeg-devel from the CC I had missed that you removed it so my reply went just to debian-devel full quote left below for ffmpeg-devel, no further inline comments below Thanks On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 07:17:55PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: Hi Vittorio

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-29 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hey. On 12/08/2014 18:30, Michael Niedermayer wrote: Also ive offered my resignation in the past. I do still offer to resign from the FFmpeg leader position, if it resolves this split between FFmpeg and Libav and make everyone work together again. I have absolutely no opinion on the

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-28 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014, Vittorio Giovara wrote: On 17/08/2014 18:15, Clément Bœsch wrote: - you leeching my work by leveraging git merge daily Welcome to the wonderful world of Open Source Luca. Sorry but no, definitely no. While technically what ffmpeg does is allowed by the (L)GPL, it

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-27 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On 12/08/2014 18:30, Michael Niedermayer wrote: Also ive offered my resignation in the past. I do still offer to resign from the FFmpeg leader position, if it resolves this split between FFmpeg and Libav and make everyone work together again. Hi Michael, sorry to come late to the party, but I

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-27 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On 17/08/2014 18:15, Clément Bœsch wrote: - you leeching my work by leveraging git merge daily Welcome to the wonderful world of Open Source Luca. Sorry but no, definitely no. While technically what ffmpeg does is allowed by the (L)GPL, it fundamentally goes against the spirit of Open

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-23 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 17.08.2014 00:49, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: I have now sent the pkg-config patches to the BTS [1]. I have found a simpler way to make it possible to link packages not using pkg-config against FFmpeg in Debian: The lib*-ffmpeg-dev packages now install symbolic links from the standard

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-23 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 03:16:50AM +0200, Attila Kinali wrote: Servus, On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:43:18 +0900 Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at wrote: By continuing old fights, inspite of the very clearly friendly and open offers and suggestions byu Michael, you and others from AV

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-20 Thread Norbert Preining
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, Luca Barbato wrote: - you tried to commit code that was blatantly below the already lax quality requirements (e.g. it contained tabs, it was (and still is) hard to read, it contains dubious, aka security-concerning, practices), I told you not to commit those as-is and you

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-20 Thread Ondřej Surý
Norbert, On Wed, Aug 20, 2014, at 11:43, Norbert Preining wrote: [...] The base line of this discussion for me is: [...] * from my point of view, it would be best to throw out Av immediately and switch to ffmpeg before release. It would be great if you didn't send your personal judgements

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-20 Thread Attila Kinali
Servus, On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:43:18 +0900 Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at wrote: By continuing old fights, inspite of the very clearly friendly and open offers and suggestions byu Michael, you and others from AV continue simply to insult and be nasty. Sorry, but this is not true. Yes,

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-19 Thread Ivan Kalvachev
On 8/18/14, Moritz Mühlenhoff j...@inutil.org wrote: Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com schrieb: Hi Thomas, On 18.08.2014 08:36, Thomas Goirand wrote: There's been a very well commented technical reason stated here: the release team don't want to deal with 2 of the same

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-19 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:15:10AM +0200, Clément Bœsch wrote: On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 09:14:47PM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: [...] Ive asked [1][2] back then what policy in place was broken - you tried to commit code that was blatantly below the already lax quality requirements (e.g.

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-18 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com schrieb: Hi Thomas, On 18.08.2014 08:36, Thomas Goirand wrote: There's been a very well commented technical reason stated here: the release team don't want to deal with 2 of the same library that are doing (nearly) the same things, with

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-18 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Moritz, On 18.08.2014 14:05, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com schrieb: On 18.08.2014 08:36, Thomas Goirand wrote: There's been a very well commented technical reason stated here: the release team don't want to deal with 2 of the same library that

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-17 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 01:19:38AM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: Stefano Sabatini wrote: [...] The list is quite long and debunking each of the statements could take a lot of time. I'm going to address two historical misrepresentations: # The change of management Michael Niedermayer

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-17 Thread Luca Barbato
On 17/08/14 10:28, Michael Niedermayer wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 01:19:38AM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: Stefano Sabatini wrote: [...] The list is quite long and debunking each of the statements could take a lot of time. I'm going to address two historical misrepresentations: # The

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-17 Thread Clément Bœsch
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 09:14:47PM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: [...] Ive asked [1][2] back then what policy in place was broken - you tried to commit code that was blatantly below the already lax quality requirements (e.g. it contained tabs, it was (and still is) hard to read, it contains

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-14 Thread Luca Barbato
Stefano Sabatini wrote: Please refrain from claiming other people are spreading lies, especially with no specific references (and this is not the place where to discuss such things). Attila already amended one of the false statement that had been spun around (about the people behind Libav

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-09 Thread Charles Plessy
user debian-le...@lists.debian.org usertags 729203 one-copyright-review thanks Le Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 01:53:15AM +0200, Andreas Cadhalpun a écrit : Now, could anyone review the debian/copyright file of ffmpeg? The sources are available in this repository:

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-07 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
user debian-le...@lists.debian.org usertags 729203 copyright-review-requested thanks Hi Charles, On 06.08.2014 13:55, Charles Plessy wrote: A few years ago, I made a proposal for peer-reviewing copyright files in the NEW queue. https://wiki.debian.org/CopyrightReview The goal is not to

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-06 Thread Thorsten Alteholz
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014, Michael Gilbert wrote: The problem is an undermanned ftpmaster team [0], so help there is I have to object here. If I read something like: XXX please reject YYY XXX forgot to add the full MPL 2.0 text.. I wonder why this hadn't been checked before the upload. If all

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-06 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 01:28:02PM +0200, Thorsten Alteholz a écrit : On Tue, 5 Aug 2014, Michael Gilbert wrote: The problem is an undermanned ftpmaster team [0], so help there is I have to object here. If I read something like: XXX please reject YYY XXX forgot to add the full MPL 2.0

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-05 Thread Wookey
+++ Andreas Cadhalpun [2014-07-28 01:20 +0200]: Hi all, some of you may have noticed a weird ffmpeg package in the NEW queue[1]. Let me explain: * Ok, let's say I'm a multimedia maintainer and want to try out building my package against your ffmpeg, what should I do? Any maintainer

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-05 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Wookey wrote: I really don't see sufficient reasons why we shouldn't at least put it experimental so that maintainers can easily test this stuff. The problem is an undermanned ftpmaster team [0], so help there is probably appreciated and the obvious way to bring

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-01 Thread Jose Luis Rivas
On 28/07/14, 01:20am, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: Hi all, some of you may have noticed a weird ffmpeg package in the NEW queue[1]. Let me explain: In 2011 Libav[2] was forked from FFmpeg[3]. It was a time of great uncertainty, the fork happened with much drama that didn't help making a