Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-14 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-05-14, John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell johnandsa...@cox.net wrote: Are you trying to cause problems with free software? Quite the opposite. He is trying to ensure that we don't have to modify all packages to get them xz compressed, but rather does it from a central place. /Sune

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-14 Thread John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell
Ben what basis do you have against .gz ? And I'd love to know if it won't cause dependancy problems when someone has more than one debian they are dealing with. I doubt it's as simple as stated. What's wrong with saying so? And yes I do think there are some that would inject problems (such

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-14 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 05/14/2013 10:53 PM, John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell wrote: Ben what basis do you have against .gz ? It was already mentioned, it takes more space. Everyone (e.g. Fedora with rpm) is switching to xz, not just Debian. The Linux kernel is using more advanced compression algorithms as

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-13 Thread John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell
I'm complaining. Why are you fixing something that isn't broken and isn't an issue ? Are you trying to cause problems with free software? Are you playing favorites? It's too new to say if it has no long term problems (ie, such as support issues). How is shipping (ie kernel) in all three of

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2013-05-13 at 21:53 -0400, John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell wrote: I'm complaining. Why are you fixing something that isn't broken and isn't an issue ? It's not broken, but there is an issue: it's getting hard to fit a generally useful set of packages and tasks on CD#1, and xz

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell wrote: It's too new to say if it has no long term problems (ie, such as support issues). xz has been supported in Debian for some time, with no problems that I'm aware of. It's also being widely adopted by

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-12 Thread Hideki Yamane
On Wed, 8 May 2013 17:57:57 +0200 Michael Banck mba...@debian.org wrote: You mean for debian.tar? I would assume most debian.tars are not so big that it would make a big difference and be worth the hassle, but dunno. Yes, not a big difference for debian.tar as blogged(*), - gz : 503M -

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 07 May 2013, Guillem Jover wrote: As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed to be consensus that was the way to go, and given the amount of already manually switched packages, or packaging helpers. :/

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 8 May 2013 01:46, Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote: Hi, On Tue, 07 May 2013, Guillem Jover wrote: As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed to be consensus that was the way to go, and given the amount of

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 05/07/2013 21:49, Guillem Jover wrote: As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed to be consensus that was the way to go, and given the amount of already manually switched packages, or packaging helpers. :/

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:17:39AM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: Hi, On 05/07/2013 21:49, Guillem Jover wrote: As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed to be consensus that was the way to go, and given the

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Philipp Kern
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 09:49:03PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: If there's people who are still worried about that, I'd ask them to file bugs on the base packages to make them pass -Zgz explicitly to dpkg-deb (I'll do that for dpkg.deb in any case), and I can wait for the base system to be

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 12:03:13 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:17:39AM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 05/07/2013 21:49, Guillem Jover wrote: As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Guillem Jover
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 12:38:47 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 09:49:03PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: If there's people who are still worried about that, I'd ask them to file bugs on the base packages to make them pass -Zgz explicitly to dpkg-deb (I'll do that for

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Michael Banck
Hi, On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:17:39AM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 05/07/2013 21:49, Guillem Jover wrote: As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed to be consensus that was the way to go, and given the amount

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Bastian Blank
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 09:49:03PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed to be consensus that was the way to go, and given the amount of already manually switched packages, or packaging

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Joey Hess
Raphael Hertzog wrote: I agree that we have such a consensus. Not for packages installed by debootstrap. There was a time where d-i was not ready, but nowadays udeb are compressed with xz and busybox's xz is used in that context. That's not relevant. -- see shy jo signature.asc

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 08 May 2013, Michael Banck wrote: Do you plan to switch the default compression for source packages to xz as well? You mean for debian.tar? This and 3.0 (native) source packages. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog ◈ Debian Developer Get the Debian Administrator's Handbook: →

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 06:14:36PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 09:49:03PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed to be consensus that was the way to go, and

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:13:59PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 06:14:36PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 09:49:03PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default compressor from gzip to

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 00:42 +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:13:59PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 06:14:36PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 09:49:03PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm