On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Noel Torres wrote:
> Who our users are?
Debian's users are the set of people and organisations who use Debian.
That is changing every day as people discover Debian, discover other
systems they like better, discover something about Debian they don't
like, try a sys
Hi,
Noel Torres:
> > [ largish .sig ]
> Why is it that systemd proponents are the ones using this kind of signature?
Signatures like this one may or may not be welcome here, but they are not a
new phenomenon and have nothing whatsoever to do with systemd.
Frankly, IMHO this is approaching paran
On Tuesday, 25 de November de 2014 20:15:36 Andrey Rahmatullin escribió:
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 08:03:44PM +, Noel Torres wrote:
> > > > Why is it that systemd proponents are the ones using this kind of
> > > > signature? Are they trying to insinuate that Debian is theirs?
> > >
> > > Wow!
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 08:03:44PM +, Noel Torres wrote:
> > > Why is it that systemd proponents are the ones using this kind of
> > > signature? Are they trying to insinuate that Debian is theirs?
> >
> > Wow! A dipshit crazy conspiracy theory about systemd and its
> > proponents. Haven't see
On Tuesday, 25 de November de 2014 19:50:48 Axel Wagner escribió:
> Noel Torres writes:
> > Why is it that systemd proponents are the ones using this kind of
> > signature? Are they trying to insinuate that Debian is theirs?
>
> Wow! A dipshit crazy conspiracy theory about systemd and its
> propo
Noel Torres writes:
> Why is it that systemd proponents are the ones using this kind of signature?
> Are they trying to insinuate that Debian is theirs?
Wow! A dipshit crazy conspiracy theory about systemd and its
proponents. Haven't seen one of those in a long time…
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On Monday, 17 de November de 2014 20:45:19 Josselin Mouette escribió:
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On Ma, 25 nov 14, 18:44:33, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 06:01:38PM +0100, Sascha Mester wrote:
> > Can someone tell me the advantages ( and disadvantages ) of systemd ?
> > I'm about to leave Debian as an user - not because of systemd, but
> > because of that discussion.
>
> Wai
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 06:01:38PM +0100, Sascha Mester wrote:
> Can someone tell me the advantages ( and disadvantages ) of systemd ?
> I'm about to leave Debian as an user - not because of systemd, but
> because of that discussion.
Wait, you are asking for a discussion about the advantages and
d
This one time, at band camp, Thorsten Glaser said:
> Matthias Urlichs urlichs.de> writes:
>
> > Care to tell us why? Other than "ugh, it's written by Lennart"??
>
> The “why” does not matter. Users do not have to justify why they
> need to use something. I worked in for company that had a strict
I have never really understood the reasons for this discussion.
I am not a system administrator ( at least none of a datacenter - just
for my home infrastructure, containing 3 machines ), and although I also
have a distribution running on one of those ( Arch ) which is using
systemd, I never reali
Matthias Urlichs urlichs.de> writes:
> Care to tell us why? Other than "ugh, it's written by Lennart"??
The “why” does not matter. Users do not have to justify why they
need to use something. I worked in for company that had a strict
“no PHP” policy once. I have encountered other more or less we
Hi,
Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult:
> people who're maintaining missing criticial systems, large datacenters,
> etc, give a clear and absolute NO to systemd.
Care to tell us why? Other than "ugh, it's written by Lennart"??
> Debian will immediately loose 30..50% user base
Could we PLEASE stop
"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" writes:
> On 22.11.2014 02:13, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
> ... we should leave people the choice.
de·fault (d-fôlt)
n.
a. /Computer Science/
A particular setting or value for a variable that is assigned
automatically by an operating system a
On 22.11.2014 02:13, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
> Someone will find a hole in something, and there will be fire when sysadmins
> have to upgrade in the middle of the night and now are running systemd
> instead of what they are used to.
Well, in that case, I'd say a rain of fire isn't entirely what's
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 09:45:19PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 17 novembre 2014 à 21:20 +0100, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
> > It’s not because the resolution is wrong, either. Of course, my opinion
> > is that it is wrong, and that it is going to rain fire on us when
> > upgraded syst
On 17/11/14 at 11:15 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
> §6.3.6 does not prevent the CTTE from being presented an issue early. It
> stops the CTTE from deciding an issue before a consensus approach has
> been attempted. In this particular case, I felt that a consensus
> approach had been attempted when t
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 01:24:13AM +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> > > This decision has been made in gross violation of constitution §6.3.6,
> > > being summoned to override a maintainer’s choice while the solution
> > > was still under discussion.
> > >
> > > I urge the systemd maintaine
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 01:26 +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> This mailing list is a technical list and your message/question is
> off-topic. Kindly reask it on another list, or another forum
> altogether.
I wouldn't say that the two posts I was particularly replying to were in
any way more technical
Hi Christoph,
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 01:24:13AM +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> Just had to wonder... what happens to DDs who intentionally and clearly
> break the constitution or who publicly state to no longer feel bound by
> it?
This mailing list is a technical list and your message/
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 00:43 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > This decision has been made in gross violation of constitution §6.3.6,
> > being summoned to override a maintainer’s choice while the solution
> > was still under discussion.
> >
> > I urge the systemd maintainers not to take
> This decision has been made in gross violation of constitution §6.3.6,
> being summoned to override a maintainer’s choice while the solution
> was still under discussion.
>
> I urge the systemd maintainers not to take it into account.
I fully agree. This whole vote has been a farce and the resul
Hi Josselin,
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:38:34PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le samedi 15 novembre 2014 à 16:16 -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit :
> > The technical committe was asked in #746578 to override the ordering
> > of the alternative dependencies on systemd-sysv and systemd-shim to
> > pr
On Monday, 17 de November de 2014 20:20:56 Josselin Mouette escribió:
> First, Don, I’d like to thank you for keeping the discussion civil. I
> have made a serious accusation, and I don’t want it to be an excuse for
> a mudfight.
The point is not that you have made a serious accusation. It is your
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 09:20:56PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > In retrospect, the CTTE may not be working consensus hard enough, and
> > for that, I'm sorry. Working to achieve consensus is very difficult,
> > time consuming, and fraught. It takes a huge time commitment, and even
> > after s
Hi,
> Le lundi 17 novembre 2014 à 11:15 -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit :
>> §6.3.6 does not prevent the CTTE from being presented an issue early. It
>> stops the CTTE from deciding an issue before a consensus approach has
>> been attempted. In this particular case, I felt that a consensus
>> approac
Le lundi 17 novembre 2014 à 21:20 +0100, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
> It’s not because the resolution is wrong, either. Of course, my opinion
> is that it is wrong, and that it is going to rain fire on us when
> upgraded systems do not behave like freshly installed ones.
Ansgar pointed to me on I
First, Don, I’d like to thank you for keeping the discussion civil. I
have made a serious accusation, and I don’t want it to be an excuse for
a mudfight.
Le lundi 17 novembre 2014 à 11:15 -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit :
> §6.3.6 does not prevent the CTTE from being presented an issue early. It
> st
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le samedi 15 novembre 2014 à 16:16 -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit :
> > The technical committe was asked in #746578 to override the ordering
> > of the alternative dependencies on systemd-sysv and systemd-shim to
> > prefer the installation of systemd-sh
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