Hi,
(I want to see as much UTF-8 support. These days, it is not bad. Try
using sed with UTF-8. It works! Of course with some understandable
gliches.)
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 08:55:27PM +0200, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Mo, 10 Aug 2009, Roger Leigh wrote:
Of course there's a penalty for
Bastian Blank wrote:
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 09:40:35PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
In article 20090811183800.ge5...@const.famille.thibault.fr you wrote:
Not necessarily. Any sane implementation should just use wchar_t
Which could be UTF16 and therefore still has complicatd length
Giacomo A. Catenazzi, le Wed 12 Aug 2009 07:54:33 +0200, a écrit :
Samuel Thibault wrote:
Gunnar Wolf, le Tue 11 Aug 2009 13:28:08 -0500, a écrit :
while length(str) in any language up to the 1990s was a mere
substraction, now we must go through the string checking each byte to
see if it
Giacomo A. Catenazzi, le Wed 12 Aug 2009 08:03:30 +0200, a écrit :
Bastian Blank wrote:
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 09:40:35PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
In article 20090811183800.ge5...@const.famille.thibault.fr you wrote:
Not necessarily. Any sane implementation should just use wchar_t
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:56:49AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Giacomo A. Catenazzi, le Wed 12 Aug 2009 08:03:30 +0200, a écrit :
Bastian Blank wrote:
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 09:40:35PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
In article 20090811183800.ge5...@const.famille.thibault.fr you wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 07:54:33AM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
Samuel Thibault wrote:
Gunnar Wolf, le Tue 11 Aug 2009 13:28:08 -0500, a écrit :
while length(str) in any language up to the 1990s was a mere
substraction, now we must go through the string checking each byte to
see if
It's impressing how quickly threads on this list grow big. :-)
I'm not sure, whether a conclusion is already reached.
1. apt-get install mysql
2. enter mysql client
3. create database test; create table test( test char(10) );
Replace mysql with whatever application you like.
What should be the
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:18:12PM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote:
I'm not sure, whether a conclusion is already reached.
1. apt-get install mysql
2. enter mysql client
3. create database test; create table test( test char(10) );
Replace mysql with whatever application you like.
What should
Roger Leigh, le Wed 12 Aug 2009 11:30:50 +0100, a écrit :
The default is UTF-32 or UTF-16, whichever corresponds to the width of
wchar_t.
This documentation is bogus BTW. It should read UCS-4 or UCS-2.
It's strictly correct according to the standard.
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:03:30 +0100
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:18:12PM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote:
I'm not sure, whether a conclusion is already reached.
1. apt-get install mysql
2. enter mysql client
3. create database test; create table test(
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:44:36PM +0200, Harald Braumann wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:03:30 +0100
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:18:12PM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote:
I'm not sure, whether a conclusion is already reached.
1. apt-get install mysql
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:03:43 +0100
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:44:36PM +0200, Harald Braumann wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:03:30 +0100
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:18:12PM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote:
I'm
Norbert Preining dijo [Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 08:55:27PM +0200]:
On Mo, 10 Aug 2009, Roger Leigh wrote:
Of course there's a penalty for certain operations. But UTF-8 is about
as compact as an extended encoding is going to get.
Rubbish. You know why in Japan and other Asian countries UTF8 is
Harald Braumann dijo [Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 01:33:58AM +0200]:
There are a lot of users out there that are not willing to pay the
price for increased generality.
Don't you mean s/users/programmers? As a user I don't see what price I
pay. I only see advantages in having a consistent
Gunnar Wolf, le Tue 11 Aug 2009 13:28:08 -0500, a écrit :
while length(str) in any language up to the 1990s was a mere
substraction, now we must go through the string checking each byte to
see if it is a Unicode marker and substract the appropriate number of
bytes.
Not necessarily. Any sane
In article 20090811182041.gd19...@cajita.gateway.2wire.net you wrote:
encodings are _completely_ incompatible with UTF8, so it is just not
possible to tolerate broken text every now and then. Everything just
breaks completely.
Or everything works out of the box, when you use it correctly...
In article 20090811183800.ge5...@const.famille.thibault.fr you wrote:
Not necessarily. Any sane implementation should just use wchar_t
Which could be UTF16 and therefore still has complicatd length semantics.
And even with UTF32 there are combining characters. Sadly. But the length
could be
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 09:40:35PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
In article 20090811183800.ge5...@const.famille.thibault.fr you wrote:
Not necessarily. Any sane implementation should just use wchar_t
Which could be UTF16 and therefore still has complicatd length semantics.
No, wchar_t is
Bernd Eckenfels, le Tue 11 Aug 2009 21:40:35 +0200, a écrit :
In article 20090811183800.ge5...@const.famille.thibault.fr you wrote:
Not necessarily. Any sane implementation should just use wchar_t
Which could be UTF16 and therefore still has complicatd length semantics.
??
wchar_t may be
* Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org, 2009-08-11, 22:24:
Not necessarily. Any sane implementation should just use wchar_t
Which could be UTF16 and therefore still has complicatd length semantics.
No, wchar_t is UCS-4 (or UCS-2 in esoteric implementations like
Windows).
And in the most esoteric
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:04:37PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
If having a C.UTF-8 locale always available for system services is
required for them to fully support UTF-8, then that needs adding to
glibc.
It would also bring significant speed increase. Since about everything
calls setlocale(),
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:28:08 -0500
Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org wrote:
Harald Braumann dijo [Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 01:33:58AM +0200]:
There are a lot of users out there that are not willing to pay the
price for increased generality.
Don't you mean s/users/programmers? As a user I don't
Samuel Thibault wrote:
Gunnar Wolf, le Tue 11 Aug 2009 13:28:08 -0500, a écrit :
while length(str) in any language up to the 1990s was a mere
substraction, now we must go through the string checking each byte to
see if it is a Unicode marker and substract the appropriate number of
bytes.
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 13:09 +0200, Thomas Koch wrote:
Hi,
I've an issue, that I forgot to set the character encoding of tomcat to utf-8
after reinstalling a server.
Now, before I report a wishlist(?) bug to tomcat, I want to ask (and invite
to
discuss) shouldn't utf8 be the default
Thomas Koch wrote:
Hi,
I've an issue, that I forgot to set the character encoding of tomcat to utf-8
after reinstalling a server.
Now, before I report a wishlist(?) bug to tomcat, I want to ask (and invite to
discuss) shouldn't utf8 be the default character set everywhere? So when
installing
Hi
Dne Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:09:21 +0200
Thomas Koch tho...@koch.ro napsal(a):
I've an issue, that I forgot to set the character encoding of tomcat to utf-8
after reinstalling a server.
Now, before I report a wishlist(?) bug to tomcat, I want to ask (and invite
to
discuss) shouldn't utf8
Le lundi 10 août 2009 à 14:06 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi a écrit :
But let to concentrate to the first task: having a good UTF-8 support
in all programs/terminals/etc.
This task should have been completed for etch.
Now we could concentrate on removing from the archive programs without
proper
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
Now we could concentrate on removing from the archive programs without
proper UTF8 support.
There are, sadly, some very useful programs with no adequate replacement
that don't have UTF-8 support. tf5, for instance.
--
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 01:45:40PM +0200, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 13:09 +0200, Thomas Koch wrote:
Hi,
I've an issue, that I forgot to set the character encoding of tomcat to
utf-8
after reinstalling a server.
Now, before I report a wishlist(?) bug to tomcat, I
On Mo, 10 Aug 2009, Roger Leigh wrote:
Of course there's a penalty for certain operations. But UTF-8 is about
as compact as an extended encoding is going to get.
Rubbish. You know why in Japan and other Asian countries UTF8 is not
so common? Because many of their glyphs need 4 (four!) bytes,
On 2009-08-10, Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at wrote:
On Mo, 10 Aug 2009, Roger Leigh wrote:
Of course there's a penalty for certain operations. But UTF-8 is about
as compact as an extended encoding is going to get.
Rubbish. You know why in Japan and other Asian countries UTF8 is not
so
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 19:53 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 01:45:40PM +0200, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
While utf-8 covers the broadest set of character glyphs possible, it
suffers from size as well as performance penalties. Characters no
longer are guaranteed to fit in a
On Mo, 10 Aug 2009, Philipp Kern wrote:
Of course there's a penalty for certain operations. But UTF-8 is about
as compact as an extended encoding is going to get.
[...]
make UTF-8 bad per se to call it rubbish.
I didn't call utf-8 itself rubbish, I am myself a strong proponent for
utf-8,
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 02:06:44PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
Thomas Koch wrote:
I've an issue, that I forgot to set the character encoding of
tomcat to utf-8 after reinstalling a server.
Now, before I report a wishlist(?) bug to tomcat, I want to ask
(and invite to discuss) shouldn't
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:49:34PM +0200, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Mo, 10 Aug 2009, Philipp Kern wrote:
Of course there's a penalty for certain operations. But UTF-8 is about
as compact as an extended encoding is going to get.
[...]
make UTF-8 bad per se to call it rubbish.
I
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:42:18PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:49:34PM +0200, Norbert Preining wrote:
I didn't call utf-8 itself rubbish, I am myself a strong proponent for
utf-8, only your quote that it is about as compact as an extended encoding
is going to get.
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:45:40 +0200
Siggy Brentrup deb...@psycho.i21k.de wrote:
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 13:09 +0200, Thomas Koch wrote:
Hi,
I've an issue, that I forgot to set the character encoding of
tomcat to utf-8 after reinstalling a server.
Now, before I report a wishlist(?) bug
Harald Braumann, le Tue 11 Aug 2009 01:33:58 +0200, a écrit :
Or do you mean the user pays the price, because if the encoding is set
to UTF-8 then performance would suffer? In that case, I'd love to see
some real life numbers. I doubt the difference would be noticeable.
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