Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Frank Küster wrote:
http://christian-morgenstern.de/dcma/Der_Werwolf
Try
# apt-get install fortunes-de
$ fortune -m Werwölfe
to see even the plural version ...
Hope this makes a funny end to this story
Sadly not -
Il giorno lun, 24/11/2008 alle 21.57 -0600, Manoj Srivastava ha scritto:
On Mon, Nov 24 2008, Amaya wrote:
Eduard Bloch wrote:
* Miriam Ruiz [Mon, Nov 24 2008, 12:07:53AM]:
Sorry but Debian is not a men's club and we're not their
chicks.
Come on, peace! I respect you as woman or
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Christian Perrier wrote:
Has the d-d-a ban been lifted?
There currently isn't a ban in place.[1] [EMAIL PROTECTED] will likely
be communicating privately with the individual(s) involved once we
have come to consensus ourselves.[2] If some sort of punitive action
is taken,
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:41:13PM +0100, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 15.17 -0600, Manoj Srivastava ha scritto:
On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
Yes (I'd find it funny). That's what humour is.
hen you are a retrograde, beetle
On Tuesday 25 November 2008 19:03, Federico Di Gregorio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
There's difference between the intent to offend and a parody.
http://np237.livejournal.com/20741.html
To avoid any confusion, Josselin has written the above post to make it clear
that he did intend to offend.
--
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Russell Coker wrote:
To avoid any confusion, Josselin has written the above post to make it clear
that he did intend to offend.
Joss sended an excuse and you just posted this link. Others asked for
stopping this thread and asked for going back fixing bugs. Would you
* Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-25 00:21]:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Christian Perrier wrote:
Has the d-d-a ban been lifted?
There currently isn't a ban in place.[1] [...]
1: Thankfully, it hasn't been required yet
I am confused:
* Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-24
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Rafael Laboissiere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1: Thankfully, it hasn't been required yet
I am confused:
it might be a small misunderstanding. 'Required' is not the same as
'requested' in English (though they are in some latin languages).
Steve McIntyre has
There currently isn't a ban in place.[1] [...]
1: Thankfully, it hasn't been required yet
I am confused:
And because of that I've asked the listmasters to block him from
posting to d-d-a.
Where is the truth?
The truth is that you cant read or parse english. :)
I've asked is not I told
* Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-25 12:12]:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Rafael Laboissiere [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
1: Thankfully, it hasn't been required yet
I am confused:
it might be a small misunderstanding. 'Required' is not the same as
'requested' in English
Quoting Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Christian Perrier wrote:
Has the d-d-a ban been lifted?
There currently isn't a ban in place.[1] [EMAIL PROTECTED] will likely
be communicating privately with the individual(s) involved once we
have come to consensus
Gunnar Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW, I could have also felt Joss' message as a personal attack on my
and my family...
Wolf? Werewolf? Family? No way. For those who understand German, here's
why not:
http://christian-morgenstern.de/dcma/Der_Werwolf
The same works in English too, as I've
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Frank Küster wrote:
http://christian-morgenstern.de/dcma/Der_Werwolf
Try
# apt-get install fortunes-de
$ fortune -m Werwölfe
to see even the plural version ...
Hope this makes a funny end to this story
Andreas.
--
http://fam-tille.de
* Noah Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-23 22:07]:
Please quote from the original email explaining to me how it is sexist.
Well, I found the parody very offensive to men, in general. Josselin's
satire suggests that a male is a stupid creature who desperately looks for
chicks or whichever his
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 09:01:32AM +0100, Rafael Laboissiere wrote:
* Noah Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-23 22:07]:
Please quote from the original email explaining to me how it is sexist.
Well, I found the parody very offensive to men, in general.
Heh, heh.
Parody, satire, and pastiche
* Noah Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-24 08:47]:
We are meant to point at this stuff and say oh my, how inappropriate this
would
be! thank goodness this is humour and then laugh a little.
[...] Can we please just leave it at that though, instead of perpetuating a
terrible
On Monday 24 November 2008 07:38, Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not about whether or not the parody was funny. It's that the same
parody could have been made, just as funny, without the completely
gratuitous sexism.
We should note that it had already been determined that
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 03:51:07PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:07:53AM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
- The only mention women get in the text is thus through a sexual
objetification.
This amounts to concluding that any
Russ Allbery dijo [Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:38:14PM -0800]:
- Send your private Debian GPG Key to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include
the brand of your perfume and the color of the make-up.
I find it disappointing to see this posted, and in bad taste.
/me guesses from when having sense of
Hi again,
Le dimanche 23 novembre 2008 à 17:59 +0100, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
SmellyWerewolf.com are kindly offering every Debian Developer a discount
on their whole perfumes and make-up catalog[1]. If you apply under the
procedure outlined below, you will pay according to Rate
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:04:18AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
In my opinion, which is as humble as it can be (but that might not
mean much), I fail to see Joss' post as sexist. From its first line
it is a parody, something that very clearly should not be taken
seriously. Not that I like it -
Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:07:53AM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
- The only mention women get in the text is thus through a sexual
objetification.
This amounts to concluding that any mention of sexuality is sexual
Frank Küster dijo [Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 09:11:14PM +0100]:
- The only mention women get in the text is thus through a sexual
objetification.
This amounts to concluding that any mention of sexuality is sexual
objectification of women, which is patently absurd.
No, the claim isn't
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:04:18AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
In my opinion, which is as humble as it can be (but that might not
mean much), I fail to see Joss' post as sexist. From its first line
it is a parody,
Eduard Bloch wrote:
* Miriam Ruiz [Mon, Nov 24 2008, 12:07:53AM]:
Sorry but Debian is not a men's club and we're not their chicks.
Come on, peace! I respect you as woman or man or whoever you are, there
is no need to polarize the discussion.
Well, you can't simply ask people to not feel
On Mon, Nov 24 2008, Amaya wrote:
Eduard Bloch wrote:
* Miriam Ruiz [Mon, Nov 24 2008, 12:07:53AM]:
Sorry but Debian is not a men's club and we're not their chicks.
Come on, peace! I respect you as woman or man or whoever you are, there
is no need to polarize the discussion.
Well, you
can you all please stop discussing this email? it is pointless
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
On Mon, Nov 24 2008, Amaya wrote:
Eduard Bloch wrote:
* Miriam Ruiz [Mon, Nov 24 2008, 12:07:53AM]:
Sorry but Debian is not a men's club and we're not
On Nov 24, 2008, at 5:13 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
- The use of the word chick in reference to females. Chick is a
slightly derogatory, condescending common usage (slang) expression
for
a young woman.
So linuxchix.org is a slightly derogatory, condescending domain
name for
young women
Quoting Josselin Mouette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
I apologize for sending this email to d-d-a instead of -devel. It could
have conveyed the same message without abusing the project resources.
Thanks for this, Joss...whatever one thinks of the content of your
post, the two sentences above are very
On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 17:59:13 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
- Send your private Debian GPG Key to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include
the brand of your perfume and the color of the make-up.
I find it disappointing to see this posted, and in bad taste.
I'm sure I'm not alone.
Steve
--
Sure, the first message shouldn't have been on announce, but its
impossible to fix a wrong with yet another wrong.
Thanks,
On Nov 23, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Hi
SmellyWerewolf.com are kindly offering every Debian Developer a
discount
on their whole perfumes and
Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 17.32 +, Steve Kemp ha scritto:
On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 17:59:13 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
- Send your private Debian GPG Key to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include
the brand of your perfume and the color of the make-up.
I find it disappointing to see
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 05:32:12PM +, Steve Kemp wrote:
On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 17:59:13 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
- Send your private Debian GPG Key to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include
the brand of your perfume and the color of the make-up.
I find it disappointing to see this
On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 19:52:46 +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
- Send your private Debian GPG Key to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include
the brand of your perfume and the color of the make-up.
I find it disappointing to see this posted, and in bad taste.
I found it generally
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 17.32 +, Steve Kemp ha scritto:
On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 17:59:13 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
- Send your private Debian GPG Key to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include
the brand of your perfume and the color
On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 17.32 +, Steve Kemp ha scritto:
On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 17:59:13 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
- Send your private Debian GPG Key to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include
the brand of your perfume and the color of
* Manoj Srivastava:
Since when have sexist remarks come under being humour?
At least since 1420 or so (Oswald von Wolkenstein, Durch Barbarei,
Arabia). There are probably way older examples.
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2008/11/23 Amaya [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Steve Kemp wrote:
with debian-women making strides forward it seems this was a step
backward.
Same here
+1
I'm very dissappointed with this, to be honest.
Greetings,
Miry
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Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 13.57 -0600, Manoj Srivastava ha scritto:
On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 17.32 +, Steve Kemp ha scritto:
On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 17:59:13 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
- Send your private Debian GPG
Federico Di Gregorio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 17.32 +, Steve Kemp ha scritto:
On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 17:59:13 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
- Send your private Debian GPG Key to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include
the brand of your perfume and the color of the
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm very dissappointed with this, to be honest.
Agreed - devel-announce is for, um, project announcements. Not a jokes
list. And with the large and varied group of users and developers
Debian has, tact and tolerance are a good
Steve Kemp wrote:
with debian-women making strides forward it seems this was a step
backward.
Same here
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On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 01:57:28PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Since when have sexist remarks come under being humour? If you
think locker room conversations and objectification of women are funny,
Maybe I'm missing something. Which parts of the original email, specifically,
were
On dim, nov 23, 2008 at 05:52:46 +, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
I found it generally hilarious and a well-made point, though I agree the
presentation could have been in better taste.
On dim, nov 23, 2008 at 08:23:02 +, Amaya wrote:
Steve Kemp wrote:
with debian-women making
On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 22:17:44 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
FWIW we had this discussion already:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/01/msg00920.html
Could we fucking stop repeating the same old discussions over and over
and over ? every two year we troll about firmwares, bad
On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
Yes (I'd find it funny). That's what humour is.
hen you are a retrograde, beetle browed moron.
manoj
ha ha
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their good points and qualifications in
On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Manoj Srivastava:
Since when have sexist remarks come under being humour?
At least since 1420 or so (Oswald von Wolkenstein, Durch Barbarei,
Arabia). There are probably way older examples.
Yes, the same time period that brought
2008/11/23 Noah Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 01:57:28PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Since when have sexist remarks come under being humour? If you
think locker room conversations and objectification of women are funny,
Maybe I'm missing something. Which parts
Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 15.17 -0600, Manoj Srivastava ha scritto:
On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
Yes (I'd find it funny). That's what humour is.
hen you are a retrograde, beetle browed moron.
Mm.. sincerely from someone of your flaming fame I expected
WTF?
2008/11/23 Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi
SmellyWerewolf.com are kindly offering every Debian Developer a discount
on their whole perfumes and make-up catalog[1]. If you apply under the
procedure outlined below, you will pay according to Rate Eeencredible,
which at the time of
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:35:10PM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
2008/11/23 Noah Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 01:57:28PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Since when have sexist remarks come under being humour? If you
think locker room conversations and
On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Noah Slater wrote:
You are missing context.
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 03:17:09PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 13.57 -0600, Manoj Srivastava ha scritto:
On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Federico Di
2008/11/23 Noah Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:35:10PM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
2008/11/23 Noah Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 01:57:28PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Since when have sexist remarks come under being humour? If you
think
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (23/11/2008):
Could we f*ing stop repeating the same old discussions over and over
and over ? every two year we troll about firmwares, bad jokes on
d-d-a, what else ?
COULD WE PLEASE F*ING LEARN FROM OUR PAST PLEASE ?
You may want not to use some
Miriam Ruiz writes:
Apart from the fact that d-d-a is not a list for making stupid jokes,
here you find:
- The use of the word chick in reference to females. Chick is a
slightly derogatory, condescending common usage (slang) expression for
a young woman. I know that there's an open
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 09:26:48PM +, Steve Kemp wrote:
On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 22:17:44 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
FWIW we had this discussion already:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/01/msg00920.html
Could we fucking stop repeating the same old discussions over and
#include hallo.h
* Josselin Mouette [Sun, Nov 23 2008, 05:59:13PM]:
Hi
SmellyWerewolf.com are kindly offering every Debian Developer a discount
on their whole perfumes and make-up catalog[1]. If you apply under the
Dude, a good job! For a split second I though Andrew was back and I had
to
#include hallo.h
* Miriam Ruiz [Mon, Nov 24 2008, 12:07:53AM]:
Apart from the fact that d-d-a is not a list for making stupid jokes,
here you find:
Show me the law or the SC part saying that jokes have to be serious.
- The only mention women get in the text is thus through a sexual
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 01:18:14AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
I just don't care. We had the very same discussion 2 years ago. Nothing
good came out of it, nothing will this time either. I see no point in
trolling on -devel@ on the subject. Just answer privately to Joss if he
hurt your
Michael Banck wrote:
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 01:18:14AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
I just don't care. We had the very same discussion 2 years ago. Nothing
good came out of it, nothing will this time either. I see no point in
trolling on -devel@ on the subject. Just answer privately to Joss
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008, Steve McIntyre wrote:
And because of that I've asked the listmasters to block him from
posting to d-d-a.
Let's stop the discussion now, please. I'm sure we've all got better
things to do with our time.
Community, Identity, Stability.
Brave New World,
--
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On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 01:42:08AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
PS: Besides, I was under the impression that the social pressure Andrew
faced after his d-d-a faux pas was partly responsible for his
resignation, so there would have been some sort of outcome indeed, but
maybe I am
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:07:53AM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
Apart from the fact that d-d-a is not a list for making stupid jokes,
here you find:
- The use of the word chick in reference to females. Chick is a
slightly derogatory, condescending common usage (slang) expression for
a young
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When do we get to the self-righteous outrage about the
net-hosting-user-centric view perpetuated by the hosting discount
email?
If we do not expect to have that, why is this -- rather tenuous --
alleged sexism so different?
The net-hosting message I
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:07:53AM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
- The only mention women get in the text is thus through a sexual
objetification.
This amounts to concluding that any mention of sexuality is sexual
objectification of women, which is
On 2008-11-23, Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please quote from the original email explaining to me how it is sexist.
Sexism defines the ideology of male supremacy, of male superiority and
of beliefs that support and sustain it. Sexism and patriarchy
mutually reinforce one another
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