On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 10:43:51AM -0600, Adam Heath wrote:
(for reference, I have commit access to dpkg, apt, and debbugs. this can
arguably be more important than accepting new packages into debian, as doing
something wrong with the above is very visible; ftpmaster is more of a hidden
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:45:09 +1100, Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
* Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-13 05:00]:
As for the DAM, i wander why an AM racommends an applicant, but the
DAM does not accept him. What does this mean? Is AM role relevant or
in effect
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:02:26 +1100, Russell Coker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Look on the bright side, having someone refer to your email as crap is
better than being called a nerd at school, which I think happened to most
people on this list and probably happened to you. ;)
Actually, I have
[ I'm subscribed: please avoid to Cc me ]
Hi Russel,
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 12:09:43PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
I think that we have more of a problem of people being afraid to contribute
because of the fear of undue criticism or rejection than we have of unworthy
people joining.
The
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 11:09:39PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
And a number of other people, also at various levels of
Debian, like James, and respect the work he has put in. The point?
Later...
There must be somthing true in it,
I think you really need to examine your
* Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-13 08:00]:
Also note that the DAM's decision can be overridden.
AFAICT, i never sow this to happen, but if you say so i take it for sure
The guidelines are outlined very clearly, see
* Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-13 11:23]:
That's correct, but there still are unclear point in this workflow.
The problem is that a new complain pops up, this is yet another
discussion with no backlog, so i've to build my opinion from what
happened in the past. The
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 08:53:42PM +1100, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
It hasn't happend yet. You have to understand that rejections at the
DAM stage are quite rare; most applications are rejected at the AM
stage (and most of them because the applicants don't have enough time
or interest, not
On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 09:41, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote:
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 11:09:39PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
And what about the other people that Like James? Can they too
not be wrong?
There must be something true in this too: for example he did something
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 05:00:37AM -0600, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote:
Do we want to talk about keyring?
I'm glad you want to. I lost my GPG key a few days ago due to a RAID
disaster, and got Herbert Xu to send a message to keyring-maint on my
behalf (as outlined in the Replacing
* Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-14 05:30]:
I understand, but they happen, and i think this to be a not-so-open
point in our open structure.
Yes, that's true but there might be a point in that. I also don't
have access to the discussions or archives of the security
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 01:48:40AM +1100, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
Yes, this is true. We never really reached a conclusion on this, I
think.
This might be moved to -newmaint.
[...]
Yes, it's a shame, but it's just a fact of life that not everything
can be 100% open. As to the DAM discussion
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 08:28:16AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
How long did Eray wait for formal rejection? Did he receive regular
updates about the state of affairs?
I don't know what Eray received via private mail, but he certainly kept the
rest of debian-devel up-to-date on the process by
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
Look, I'm not against being transparent; not at all. I try to be very
open and approachable. But in some cases it just doesn't make sense.
Now, why'd you have to go and mention Chewbacca?
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 02:14:18AM -0600, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 08:59:22PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
No way, man. We simply have to have people repeat the same fodder on
debian-devel over and over again. The three hundred odd mails per day
from the
* Matt Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031114 17:55]:
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 08:28:16AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
How long did Eray wait for formal rejection? Did he receive regular
updates about the state of affairs?
I don't know what Eray received via private mail, but he certainly kept
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 12:09:43PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
I think that we have more of a problem of people being afraid to contribute
because of the fear of undue criticism or rejection than we have of unworthy
people joining.
The number of people who have been rejected is small. The
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 03:41:14AM -0600, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote:
There must be somthing true in it,
I think you really need to examine your understanding of
causation. Lots of people hold a view, so it must be true?
I might have translated an Italian expression in
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:08:11AM +0200, Richard Braakman wrote:
Remember that this process has to scale to dozens of new packages
per day. It should be optimized for the common case.
Know your tools.
--
Rico -mc- Gloeckner | 1024D/61F05B8C | jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 08:59:22PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
No way, man. We simply have to have people repeat the same fodder on
debian-devel over and over again. The three hundred odd mails per day
from the new fodder just aren't enough!
Yes, but realy a lot of people at any level in Debian
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:08:11AM +0200, Richard Braakman wrote:
I think rejecting it during this process of deliberation is better
than letting it sit there. A rejection alerts the maintainer that
there's something wrong with the package. In most cases, the maintainer
will agree and fix
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 02:14:18AM -0600, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 08:59:22PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
No way, man. We simply have to have people repeat the same fodder on
debian-devel over and over again. The three hundred odd mails per day
from the
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 08:59:22PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
No way, man. We simply have to have people repeat the same fodder on
debian-devel over and over again. The three hundred odd mails per day
from the new fodder just aren't enough!
Yes, but realy
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 10:23:08AM +0100, David Weinehall wrote:
A lot of people believe that Elvis still is alive, a lot of people used
to believe in flogiston rather than oxygen, a lot of people knew that
that world was flat... The list goes on for ages. Face it,
that a lot of people have
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 09:40:08AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Sorry, but this is crap. James is doing multiple jobs, several of
which are just about guaranteed to draw criticism and lots of people
not liking him. That's going to be part of the job when you're the
person who says no..
What
* Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-13 05:00]:
As for the DAM, i wander why an AM racommends an applicant, but the
DAM does not accept him. What does this mean? Is AM role relevant or
in effect DAM is the real one who decides? If the latter, why
haveing AM?
Of course
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:14, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Sorry, but this is crap. James is doing multiple jobs, several of
which are just about guaranteed to draw criticism and lots of people
not liking him. That's going to be part of the job when you're the
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 11:02:26PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
Saying this is crap in response to something you strongly disagree with is
pretty much standard practise in the Internet community. It is done both
online and off-line.
Anyone who wants to get involved in email debates or to
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 10:45:09PM +1100, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
Also note that the DAM's decision can be overridden.
AFAICT, i never sow this to happen, but if you say so i take it for sure (but
i'd now like to have an example, just out of curiosity).
Right, just take Eray as an example (and
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 08:00:07AM -0600, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote:
Right, just take Eray as an example (and note that the NM committee
agreed 100% with the DAM's decision; yet the DAM got all the blame).
Indeed you're right. To me we sohuld make things more open. Let's make
Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
it was probably proven that oxygen was
better thatn flogiston (I don't really know what both are)
He, this would be a great signature... (Luca, oxygen is the quite
essential stuff you breathe, constitutes about 20% of the air around
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 01:12:50AM +1100, Pascal Hakim wrote:
A da-manager list would be a very bad idea. We do not want
people's rejection from Debian to be archived in a public list which
anyone can see. Imagine if searching for your name in google had Luca
De Vitis is unsuitable to
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 08:59:22PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
No way, man. We simply have to have people repeat the same fodder on
debian-devel over and over again. The three hundred odd mails per day
from the new fodder just aren't
Pascal Hakim dijo [Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 01:12:50AM +1100]:
A da-manager list would be a very bad idea. We do not want
people's rejection from Debian to be archived in a public list which
anyone can see. Imagine if searching for your name in google had Luca
De Vitis is unsuitable to join
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 09:28:02AM -0500, Lukas Geyer wrote:
He, this would be a great signature... (Luca, oxygen is the quite
essential stuff you breathe, constitutes about 20% of the air around
us...)
eh, dict.org was down so i could not check them. A quick google search showed
too many
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 10:43:51AM -0600, Adam Heath wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 08:59:22PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
No way, man. We simply have to have people repeat the same fodder on
debian-devel over and over again. The
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 11:23:01AM -0600, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote:
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 09:28:02AM -0500, Lukas Geyer wrote:
He, this would be a great signature... (Luca, oxygen is the quite
essential stuff you breathe, constitutes about 20% of the air around
us...)
eh,
Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
too many things to be sure (my primary doubt was with flogiston).
Try searching for phlogiston instead.
--
Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 is out! ( http://www.debian.org/ )
Email: Herbert Xu ~{PmVHI~} [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home Page:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 03:24, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
A da-manager list would be a very bad idea. We do not want
people's rejection from Debian to be archived in a public list which
anyone can see. Imagine if searching for your name in google had Luca
De
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:14:18 -0600, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis [EMAIL
PROTECTED] said:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 08:59:22PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
No way, man. We simply have to have people repeat the same fodder
on debian-devel over and over again. The three hundred odd mails
per day
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:09:43 +1100, Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 03:24, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
A da-manager list would be a very bad idea. We do not want
people's rejection from Debian to be archived in a public list
which
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 11:29:07AM +, Daniel Silverstone wrote:
We have procedures in place to handle all this, perhaps it's time you
learnt to use those, instead of whining about things which aren't even
the case.
No way, man. We simply have to have people repeat the same fodder on
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 11:04:04PM +0100, Rico -mc- Gloeckner wrote:
Saying that another ftpmaster might think different is proof enough
of a doubt; it would be better to say: your package has to wait, i will
clear up with the group of ftpmasters wether this package is acceptable
for
Hi,
since more than a few months, I am maintainer of the linux-atm
package. I have used that package for my work until june, when I
changed jobs. I have put up the package for adoption, but continue to
maintain it until someone else offers to take it. I don't think that I
am doing too bad a job
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:18:51AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
Even if this is not a personal issue of Mr. Troup towards me, having
ftpmaster behave like A today and like B tomorrow is a bad thing. If I
There's more than one person behind ftpmaster.
--
You grabbed my hand and we fell into it,
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:16:23AM +, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:18:51AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
Even if this is not a personal issue of Mr. Troup towards me, having
ftpmaster behave like A today and like B tomorrow is a bad thing. If I
There's more than one person
Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:18:51AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
Even if this is not a personal issue of Mr. Troup towards me, having
ftpmaster behave like A today and like B tomorrow is a bad thing. If I
There's more than one person behind ftpmaster.
Obviously, he knows
Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I had to wait almost three weeks to have the package REJECTED by
ftpmaster
20031023144719~jennifer~Moving to new~linux-atm_2.4.1-10_i386.changes
20031103144602~lisa~rejected~linux-atm_2.4.1-10_i386.changes
Hmm, that doesn't even look like 2 weeks to me...
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Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
James Troup. He was unusually polite, but the mail exchange ended with
him announcing that Well, sorry, but I'm personally not
prepared to add (overrides for) a package to unstable with nothing but
an 8k binary
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:33:33 +, James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In the series of mails that followed the initial REJECT, I said (in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]):
| If you disagree with that, you can either try your luck with another
| ftp-master or get rough consensus on debian-devel that I'm
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 11:54:26AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:33:33 +, James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In the series of mails that followed the initial REJECT, I said (in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]):
| If you disagree with that, you can either try your luck with another
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 10:54, Marc Haber wrote:
| If you disagree with that, you can either try your luck with another
| ftp-master or get rough consensus on debian-devel that I'm wrong.
You are the secret Boss of the project. You control who gets
accounts, has her key in the key ring, and you
On Nov 11, Daniel Silverstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When linux-atm gets to the point that the br2684ctl program is
sufficiently stable to be included in the main package, I invite you to
file a bug requesting that the br2684ctl source package be removed,
having been obsoleted by the
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:18:51AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
In early November, people asked me to package br2684ctl, a new program
that has not been officially released by the linux-atm upstream. So I
would have to pull br2684ctl from upstream CVS and include it in my
package that contains
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There are in fact multiple people who fill the role of ftpmaster; this
package may have been processed by someone entirely different, who had a
different opinion on the situation.
Just to remind everybody, when there are several people filling a
single
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 09:26:43PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
Of course, if it is clear to everybody that submitting a new package
to the fptmasters results in random behaviour and resubmitting a
REJECT is an accepted practice, then please ignore the above text :)
James' rejection message
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:29:44PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
James' rejection message apparently *explicitly said* that another
ftpmaster might have a different opinion. I think this is a feature.
It certainly is not. Having guides on how decisions are made are
raising transparency.
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