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2003-10-16 Thread GIL ANTOLI Michel
- Cordialement MGA (GIL ANTOLI Michel) L'experience s'acquiert juste après que l'on en a eu besoin

Re: testing packages at build

2003-10-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 02:59:45PM -0700, Zack Weinberg wrote: I do not know enough about what X resource files are supposed to look like to identify this bug for sure. However, I notice that the /etc/X11/xdm/Xresources file from Daniel's experimental X4.3.0 debs appears to have had all its

Difference between A and C (was: Call for votes ...)

2003-10-16 Thread martin f krafft
The difference between proposals A and C wasn't clear to me at first, so at Manoj's request, I am sharing it with everyone. If you read carefully, you won't need this, I guess. Proposal A: Clarifies status of non-technical documents. Creates Foundation Documents class which requires 3:1

Re: Bug#215556: ITP: gsysutils -- Set of utilities useful to system administrators

2003-10-16 Thread Bob Proulx
Andreas Rottmann wrote: Btw, sysutils is taken, so I take gsysutils. Does someone prefer gnu-sysutils? I would, as I associate gsomething with a Gnome-frontend for something (e.g gsudo), but I don't claim that is common conception. Well, I can back that up. A Gnome association swept

Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! The package postgresql needs to use 'adduser' and 'addgroup' in its preinst script to properly save the current database before upgrading (cf. Bug #180199). Therefore it should pre-depend on 'adduser'. Pre-Dependencies are supposed to be discussed at d-devel which I want to do now. If

Re: Bug#215556: ITP: gsysutils -- Set of utilities useful to system administrators

2003-10-16 Thread Mathieu Roy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Proulx) a tapoté : Andreas Rottmann wrote: Btw, sysutils is taken, so I take gsysutils. Does someone prefer gnu-sysutils? I would, as I associate gsomething with a Gnome-frontend for something (e.g gsudo), but I don't claim that is common conception.

Re: Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:00:47AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: Pre-Dependencies are supposed to be discussed at d-devel which I want to do now. If anybody objects I will just do it. Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of discussing these sorts of things? As it stands, I don't see a problem

Re: Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! On 2003-10-16 19:24 +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:00:47AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: Pre-Dependencies are supposed to be discussed at d-devel which I want to do now. If anybody objects I will just do it. Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of discussing

Re: Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:24:21PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:00:47AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: Pre-Dependencies are supposed to be discussed at d-devel which I want to do now. If anybody objects I will just do it. Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of

Re: Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:00, Martin Pitt wrote: The package postgresql needs to use 'adduser' and 'addgroup' in its preinst script to properly save the current database before upgrading (cf. Bug #180199). Therefore it should pre-depend on 'adduser'. Why would there be an issue on depending on a

Re: Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi Russell and all others, On 2003-10-16 21:39 +1000, Russell Coker wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:00, Martin Pitt wrote: The package postgresql needs to use 'adduser' and 'addgroup' in its preinst script to properly save the current database before upgrading (cf. Bug #180199). Therefore it

Re: Bug#215945: ITP: etw -- arcade-style soccer game

2003-10-16 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003, Sam Hocevar wrote: * Package name: etw Eat The Whistle is an arcade soccer game similar to famous Amiga titles such as Kick Off or Sensible Soccer. It features several game modes where you can play either as the whole team or as a single player, and you can also

Re: Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Mathieu Roy
Martin Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : Hi Russell and all others, On 2003-10-16 21:39 +1000, Russell Coker wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:00, Martin Pitt wrote: The package postgresql needs to use 'adduser' and 'addgroup' in its preinst script to properly save the current database

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Re: Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:51:33PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: Martin Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : adduser is neither essential nor required, thus does not need to be installed when installing postgres. I'm not quite sure what you mean, could you please explain this? Thanks in

Re: Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:51:33PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: Hum, instead of adduser, useradd should be used by the posgresql package. useradd is included in the package passwd, which is required package from the base section. Please ignore this dangerous moron. -- .''`. ** Debian

Re: Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Mathieu Roy
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:51:33PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: Martin Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : adduser is neither essential nor required, thus does not need to be installed when installing postgres. I'm not quite sure what you mean,

Re: Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Andreas Metzler
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On 2003-10-16 21:39 +1000, Russell Coker wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:00, Martin Pitt wrote: The package postgresql needs to use 'adduser' and 'addgroup' in its preinst script to properly save the current

Re: Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:27:42PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:51:33PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: Hum, instead of adduser, useradd should be used by the posgresql package. useradd is included in the package passwd,

Re: Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Mathieu Roy
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:27:42PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:51:33PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: Hum, instead of adduser, useradd should be used by the posgresql package.

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Otavio Salvador
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [ I'm including the debian-devel list in CC since I appreciate the opinion of others developpers ] James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This package is dubiously small enough as it is without being split into two. There's no need to separate the

Re: Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:01, Martin Pitt wrote: Why would there be an issue on depending on a more important package? Having an optional/misc package pre-depend on an important/base package seems like a non-issue to me. adduser is neither essential nor required, thus does not need to be

Re: APT: Errors when replacing syslog by syslog-ng

2003-10-16 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: I just got the following messages replacing syslog by syslog-ng from dselect (Woody). Should this be reported as a bug? Against which package (syslog, syslog-ng, apt)? Definitely not apt. The problems are: - - messages regarding

Re: 2.5 IPsec kernel patch: orphaning the grsecurity patch

2003-10-16 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 09:45:53PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: It's amazing how problem solving here is equated with actively waiting for problems to go away. I wanted to improve Debian, but apparently there is no interest. Herbert gets to pollute the kernel-source all he wants because

Re: Quote: Debian and Democracy at Advocato.org

2003-10-16 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 04:25:17PM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote: QUOTE Debian and Democracy Posted 7 Oct 2003 by exa (Master) Ha. Hahahaa. Ha, ha, ha... -- - mdz

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-10-16 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 09:30:06PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.10.10.0223 +0200]: ...and the freeswan patch is not in the Linux kernel (and as I understand it, it never will be). The IPsec patch is not in the 2.4 kernel either. I don't

Re: Which packages will hold up the release?

2003-10-16 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 10:04:38PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: Note that the testing scripts themselves do not examine Build-Depends today; such problems are only identified through manually filed RC bug reports. Which is not to say that we shouldn't be tracking such problems -- just that

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-16 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 07:43:37PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Eventually I found aptitude's Dselect theme, which helped some. I guess aptitude could be made the recommended default package manager, but I would hope that: 1. Something more closely approximating the Dselect theme is used

Re: Package verification and /usr/bin/install tool replacements

2003-10-16 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 04:39:49AM +1000, Kim Lester wrote: Some of the ideas I have implemented include a pkg info file in each package containing the pathname uid, gid (numeric) md5sum, size (useful to humans) mode symlink target (for symlinks) a

Re: How tightly should main be self-contained?

2003-10-16 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:40:27AM -0400, Simon Law wrote: I would be glad to change it if there were a fair number of developers who think that suggesting contrib software is fine. Suggesting contrib software is fine. -- - mdz

Re: Which packages will hold up the release?

2003-10-16 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 12:38:57PM +0200, Peter Makholm wrote: /* You might ignore this comment... Looking at the list of RC bugs the packages seems to fall in two categories. Packages I don't use and packages I don't feel comfortable in touching (glibc being an example of the

Re: Where are we now? (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-16 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 03:13:23AM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: I still need to get KDE 3.1.4 into sid and stablized. I hope for it to be ready to migrate into sarge by Oct 20 (including the 10 day wait time). From what Colin Watson mentioned to me earlier today there are some other packages

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Steve Greenland
On 16-Oct-03, 10:50 (CDT), Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ I'm including the debian-devel list in CC since I appreciate the opinion of others developpers ] Okay, since you ask: James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This package is dubiously small enough as it is without being

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Andreas Metzler
Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ I'm including the debian-devel list in CC since I appreciate the opinion of others developpers ] James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This package is dubiously small enough as it is without being split into two. There's no need to separate the 2k

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-10-16 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.10.10.2333 +0200]: It is in 2.5 and 2.6. It is in Linux henceforth. FreeSWAN, on top of its other issues, is not, has never been, and never will be, part of the official kernel. Is that clearer? Doesn't explain why the IPsec patch should

Re: 2.5 IPsec kernel patch: orphaning the grsecurity patch

2003-10-16 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.10.11.0554 +0200]: People care more about some things than others. Given a choice between IPsec in Debian kernels by default and being able to apply grsecurity to Debian kernel source, I'd take IPsec anyday. Well, I would do it the other way.

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Re: Where are we now? (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 02:07:38PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 03:13:23AM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: I still need to get KDE 3.1.4 into sid and stablized. I hope for it to be ready to migrate into sarge by Oct 20 (including the 10 day wait time). From what Colin

Debian Workshop in São Paulo - Brazil

2003-10-16 Thread Eduardo Marcel Macan
For the news: :) The local Debian User Group in São Paulo is organizing a one-day Debian Workshop to happen on Oct 25. The presentations were selected by a group which reviewed the proposals collected after a Call For Papers was issued last month. The english version of the press release is

Re: Bug#215103: ITP: gmasqdialer -- gtk/gnome client for masqdialer server

2003-10-16 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that David B Harris may or may not have written... On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:02:47 -0400 Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David B Harris wrote: As much as you may dislike it, people care about toolkit. I don't understand the witch-hunt to remove references to such things. Short

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-10-16 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:04:27PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.10.10.2333 +0200]: It is in 2.5 and 2.6. It is in Linux henceforth. FreeSWAN, on top of its other issues, is not, has never been, and never will be, part of the official

Re: 2.5 IPsec kernel patch: orphaning the grsecurity patch

2003-10-16 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:05:56PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.10.11.0554 +0200]: People care more about some things than others. Given a choice between IPsec in Debian kernels by default and being able to apply grsecurity to Debian

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Otavio Salvador
Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 16-Oct-03, 10:50 (CDT), Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ I'm including the debian-devel list in CC since I appreciate the opinion of others developpers ] Okay, since you ask: Perfect :-) James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Otavio Salvador
Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ I'm including the debian-devel list in CC since I appreciate the opinion of others developpers ] James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This package is dubiously small enough as it is without being split

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And no one is obliged to do all like James think. The package follow the policy and doesn't have any point in policy talking about size requeriments. Policy is not everything that counts. Just because policy doesnt say something it means it is good to

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Peter Makholm
Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Social Contract say: The focus is the user. So, to enduser is more easy provide two packages and he can choice what to do. I disagree. Forcing the user to spend to much time micromanage which stuff he wants is not to the bennefit of the user.

Re: everyone deserves love, even you dsgdc

2003-10-16 Thread Nina Hounsell
Jump start your love life. With millions of members, there's somebody for everyone - and that means you! Click below to join for free: http://alwaysfeelgreat1.com/romance/ To update your list options: alwaysfeelgreat1.com/re/ Do you think the company would be willing to lower

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Steve Greenland
On 16-Oct-03, 13:11 (CDT), Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes but to my sense is really better to enduser have this packages splited since the search-citeseer can work (without problems) without the -el part and I want provide this option for our users. My sense is exactly the

Re: The sense of automake (Was: Processed: better make that 1.7.8... :-()

2003-10-16 Thread Steve M. Robbins
Just wanted to mention another approach that avoids guessing at which files need to be touched and in what order. This is what I use in debian/rules when I need to modify automake source files: # Suppress accidental execution of the auto-* tools; see #

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Otavio Salvador
Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And no one is obliged to do all like James think. The package follow the policy and doesn't have any point in policy talking about size requeriments. Policy is not everything that counts. Just because policy

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Otavio Salvador
Peter Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Social Contract say: The focus is the user. So, to enduser is more easy provide two packages and he can choice what to do. I disagree. Forcing the user to spend to much time micromanage which stuff he

anyone in nyc tomorrow for a keysigning?

2003-10-16 Thread Andres Salomon
I have the chance to tag along on a (company) trip to one of our colo centers tomorrow (located at 25 Broadway, New York NY 10004-1010). Are any developers available tomorrow to sign keys in that general area? There don't appear to be any developers close to where I live (upstate ny/albany

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Peter Makholm
Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I disagree. Forcing the user to spend to much time micromanage which stuff he wants is not to the bennefit of the user. Neither for the unexperienced user nor the power user. More or less. One search show both packages and user can read what each

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: More or less. Doesn't make sense include a depends of Emacs in search-citeseer and the -el part depends of this. The better option is split in two package each with your depends and needs. No. The sugestion of James is not right to include emacs

Re: Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! Please don't get me wrong, I don't insist of using adduser. IMHO Mathieu's solution of checking whether adduser is available is acceptable, if adduser is not installed then I can't break any admin preferences anyway. In addition, user postgres has uid 31, thus base-passwd should have given

Re: Where are we now? (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:09:10PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: However, at least lm-sensors and i2c need attention soon. The i2c bugs are due to some major upstream breakage. I don't see how we're really going to handle that stuff, the situation is just plain old ugly. (FWIW I still haven't

Re: Quote: Debian and Democracy at Advocato.org

2003-10-16 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 06:27:59PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 04:25:17PM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote: QUOTE Debian and Democracy Posted 7 Oct 2003 by exa (Master) Ha. Hahahaa. Ha, ha, ha... You don't think he's a Master?

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 05:32:11PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And no one is obliged to do all like James think. The package follow the policy and doesn't have any point in policy talking about size

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Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Otavio Salvador
Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 16-Oct-03, 13:11 (CDT), Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes but to my sense is really better to enduser have this packages splited since the search-citeseer can work (without problems) without the -el part and I want provide this option

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Otavio Salvador
Peter Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I disagree. Forcing the user to spend to much time micromanage which stuff he wants is not to the bennefit of the user. Neither for the unexperienced user nor the power user. More or less. One search show

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Otavio Salvador
Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course but I think if the developper did something is because he think this is better and this should be respected (if doesn't broke the policy) You've had about 8 people tell you that what you did was a bad idea, along with some pretty reasoned

Re: Quote: Debian and Democracy at Advocato.org

2003-10-16 Thread Brian Nelson
Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 06:27:59PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 04:25:17PM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote: QUOTE Debian and Democracy Posted 7 Oct 2003 by exa (Master) Ha. Hahahaa. Ha,

nethack popularity contest - number_pad?

2003-10-16 Thread Joshua Kwan
Searching for a general consensus here... These days Debian's nethack packages contain default nethackrcs which enable number_pad style controls (instead of hjkl keys) by default, due to a bug filed on the packages a long time ago. Of course, there are some who like it and some who don't. It's

Re: Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:36:04PM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: Please don't get me wrong, I don't insist of using adduser. IMHO Mathieu's solution of checking whether adduser is available is acceptable, if adduser is not installed then I can't break any admin preferences anyway. In addition,

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ I'm including the debian-devel list in CC since I appreciate the opinion of others developpers ] James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This package is dubiously small enough as it is without being split into two. There's no need to separate

Re: nethack popularity contest - number_pad?

2003-10-16 Thread Thomas Thurman
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:30:26PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote: Which is better? I like the default keys because you learn how to use nvi very efficiently knowing the hjkl-style keys :) I'm searching for as many opinions as possible so please speak up! number_pad is your friend. It's far easier

Re: nethack popularity contest - number_pad?

2003-10-16 Thread Leonardo Boiko
I find difficult to play nethack using the default keys - not because of the standard hjkl vi keys, but because I can't get used to the yubn diagonals. And number_pad leaves k for kicking stuff :) Anyway, I'd guess anyone playing nethack is geek enough to figure out how to change the keys. --

Re: nethack popularity contest - number_pad?

2003-10-16 Thread Herbert Xu
Joshua Kwan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is better? I like the default keys because you learn how to use nvi very efficiently knowing the hjkl-style keys :) I'm searching for as many opinions as possible so please speak up! Real men use hjkl. -- Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 is out! (

Re: nethack popularity contest - number_pad?

2003-10-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:30:26PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote: Searching for a general consensus here... These days Debian's nethack packages contain default nethackrcs which enable number_pad style controls (instead of hjkl keys) by default, due to a bug filed on the packages a long time ago.

Generic init framework (was: Re: faster boot)

2003-10-16 Thread Guillem Jover
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 11:12:26AM +0200, Erich Schubert wrote: If we want to introduce a new init system into debian, we should prepare a generic init framework (like many distributions already have in place) that allows for - silent/verbose boot and output redirection - fancy display of

Re: Pre-Depends for postgresql

2003-10-16 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:36, Martin Pitt wrote: If you have an optional package depend on a package that is important or required then again it would be a bug for any other package to have a dependency that results in a circle leading back to your package. This confuses me. If a package

Re: nethack popularity contest - number_pad?

2003-10-16 Thread John Hasler
Joshua Kwan writes: Which is better? The default keys are fine with me, but it would be nice to not have the @ white when in a black on white xterm. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI

Accepted nethack 3.4.2-2 (i386 source all)

2003-10-16 Thread Joshua Kwan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:03:15 -0700 Source: nethack Binary: nethack-gnome nethack-x11 nethack nethack-qt nethack-console nethack-common nethack-lisp Architecture: source i386 all Version: 3.4.2-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low

Accepted gcm 2.1.0+20031016.1-1 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Andrew Lau
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:15:46 +1000 Source: gcm Binary: libgcm-dev gcm libgcm0 Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.1.0+20031016.1-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Andrew Lau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Andrew Lau

Accepted ara 0.4.20030813-1.2 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Sven Luther
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:00:49 +0200 Source: ara Binary: ara Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.4.20030813-1.2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: high Maintainer: Thomas Schoepf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted ipsvd 0.6.1-1 (powerpc source)

2003-10-16 Thread Gerrit Pape
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:17:40 + Source: ipsvd Binary: ipsvd Architecture: source powerpc Version: 0.6.1-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Gerrit Pape [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Gerrit Pape [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted dsniff 2.4b1-3.3 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Steve Kemp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thurs, 16 Oct 2003 10:21:56 + Source: dsniff Binary: dsniff Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.4b1-3.3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted linkchecker 1.9.3-1 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Bastian Kleineidam
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:20:36 +0200 Source: linkchecker Binary: linkchecker Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.9.3-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Bastian Kleineidam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Bastian Kleineidam

Accepted module-assistant 0.3.4 (all source)

2003-10-16 Thread Eduard Bloch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:05:19 +0200 Source: module-assistant Binary: module-assistant Architecture: source all Version: 0.3.4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Eduard Bloch [EMAIL

Accepted gnump3d 2.6-1 (all source)

2003-10-16 Thread Steve Kemp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thursday, 16 October 2003 14:31:36 + Source: gnump3d Binary: gnump3d Architecture: source all Version: 2.6-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted pango1.0 1.2.5-1.1 (i386 source all)

2003-10-16 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:39:38 +0200 Source: pango1.0 Binary: libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-dbg libpango1.0-dev libpango1.0-common libpango1.0-udeb libpango1.0-doc Architecture: source i386 all Version: 1.2.5-1.1 Distribution: unstable

Accepted icewm 1.2.13-3 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Eduard Bloch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:37:58 +0200 Source: icewm Binary: icewm-gnome-support icewm icewm-lite icewm-gnome icewm-common icewm-experimental Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.2.13-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer:

Accepted kernel-patch-2.4-lsm 2003.10.03-2 (all source)

2003-10-16 Thread Russell Coker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:17:00 +1000 Source: kernel-patch-2.4-lsm Binary: kernel-patch-2.4-lsm Architecture: source all Version: 2003.10.03-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By:

Accepted runit-run 0.2.3 (all source)

2003-10-16 Thread Gerrit Pape
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:48:41 + Source: runit-run Binary: runit-run Architecture: source all Version: 0.2.3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Gerrit Pape [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Gerrit Pape [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted scapy 0.9.15-1 (all source)

2003-10-16 Thread Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:52:39 +0200 Source: scapy Binary: scapy Architecture: source all Version: 0.9.15-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta

Accepted devmapper 2:1.00.05-3 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Andres Salomon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:57:12 -0400 Source: devmapper Binary: libdevmapper-dev dmsetup libdevmapper1.00 kernel-patch-device-mapper Architecture: source i386 Version: 2:1.00.05-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Andres

Accepted lvm2 2.00.07-1 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Andres Salomon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:27:48 -0400 Source: lvm2 Binary: lvm2 Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.00.07-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted valgrind 20031012-2 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Andrés Roldán
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:50:22 + Source: valgrind Binary: valgrind Architecture: source i386 Version: 20031012-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Andrés Roldán [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Andrés Roldán [EMAIL

Accepted lprfax 0.6-25 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Camm Maguire
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:06:19 + Source: lprfax Binary: lprfax Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.6-25 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Camm Maguire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Camm Maguire [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted pytone 2.0.2-2 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Alexander Wirt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:08:32 +0200 Source: pytone Binary: pytone Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.0.2-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Alexander Wirt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Alexander Wirt [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted mozilla-bonobo 0.4.0-3 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Sebastien Bacher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:23:05 +0200 Source: mozilla-bonobo Binary: mozilla-bonobo Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.4.0-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Andrew Lau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL

Accepted liberror-perl 0.15-5 (all source)

2003-10-16 Thread Luk Claes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:43:36 +0200 Source: liberror-perl Binary: liberror-perl Architecture: source all Version: 0.15-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Luk Claes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Luk Claes [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted ghex 2.5.0-2 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Sebastien Bacher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:36:29 +0200 Source: ghex Binary: libgtkhex0-dev libgtkhex0 ghex Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.5.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Sebastien

Accepted mlview 0.6.0-3 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Sebastien Bacher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:44:06 +0200 Source: mlview Binary: mlview Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.6.0-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL

Accepted bitlbee 0.81a-1 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Wilmer van der Gaast
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2003 16:21:31 +0200 Source: bitlbee Binary: bitlbee Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.81a-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wilmer van der Gaast [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Wilmer van der Gaast [EMAIL

Accepted openssl 0.9.7c-5 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Christoph Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:31:32 +0200 Source: openssl Binary: libssl0.9.7 libssl-dev openssl Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.9.7c-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Christoph Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By:

Accepted tth 3.41-1 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Ian Maclaine-cross
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:16:40 +1000 Source: tth Binary: tth Architecture: source i386 Version: 3.41-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Ian Maclaine-cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Ian Maclaine-cross [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted ara 0.4.20030813-1.3 (i386 source)

2003-10-16 Thread Sven Luther
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:15:11 +0200 Source: ara Binary: ara Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.4.20030813-1.3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Thomas Schoepf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted gprolog 1.2.18-6 (i386 source all)

2003-10-16 Thread Salvador Abreu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:08:06 +0100 Source: gprolog Binary: gprolog-doc gprolog Architecture: source all i386 Version: 1.2.18-6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Salvador Abreu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Salvador Abreu

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