On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 08:07:41PM -0500, James McCoy wrote:
On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 10:32:52AM +0100, Daniel Leidert wrote:
James McCoy wrote:
Part of the reason I chose to use debian/upstream/ is that an extensible
location for upstream related information (similar in spirit to
Greetings Fellow Developers,
I would like to put here some words that I had in mind since I
discovered the problem with the upstream file/dir in debian/.
It is already a respectable while that we use the debian/upstream
*file* for the documentation of bibliographic data in packages that
might
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Andreas Tille ti...@debian.org
* Package name: ipig
Version : SVN r5
Upstream Author : Mathias Kuhring kuhri...@rki.de
* URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipig/
* License : BSD
Programming Lang: Java
Description
Hi,
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014, Filippo Rusconi wrote:
I discovered recently that upstream was to become a directory in
debian/. While I think that such a choice might be a reasonably good
idea, I have to admit my astonishment at the total absence of
information/discussion around that matter, from
Please a GR to override this bullshit.
There are 100 people who have chosen to use systemd. Yet they override everyone
else because they are in the right position.
Fuck systemd from the bottom of my heart.
Fuck it.
Fuck it.
FUCK SYSTEMD.
I do not want to learn systemd.
I do not want to deal
A general resolution is needed. The 100 systemd users shouldn't be
able to take over debian linux. They're in the right place at the
right time
(they always seem to be), but their decision to foist this on us
should be overruled.
The systemd developers and supporters seek to enforce their vision
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:42:20AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
This change was also suggested by Guillem Jover in
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=735840#20 and I tend
to agree with the logic of grouping upstream related meta-data
in a single directory.
Quoting this
Please a GR to override this bullshit.
There are 100 people who have chosen to use systemd. Yet they override
everyone else because they are in the right position.
Hello Craig!
On 02/10/2014 12:37 PM, Craig Bransworth wrote:
Please a GR to override this bullshit.
Please consider being more respectful and keep a polite tone. You are
achieving nothing with this attitude except that you risk of
being banned from the lists.
Everyone is free to share their
On 10 February 2014 11:37, Craig Bransworth craigbranswo...@aim.com wrote:
Please a GR to override this ...
The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
welcome you. We welcome contributions from
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 01:28:38PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Please consider being more respectful and keep a polite tone. You are
achieving nothing with this attitude except that you risk of
being banned from the lists.
Everyone is free to share their own opinion and you
Le 9 févr. 2014 22:10, Joerg Jaspert jo...@debian.org a écrit :
On 13482 March 1977, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
I would like to add license-problem-md5sum-non-free and ont
distibutable.
Lets see, the following license-problem-* sound interesting beside the
json-evil we already have:
previously on this list Peter Palfrader contributed:
I would really like to standardize on some prefix.
I like _ as a prefix because adduser doesn't allow the local sysadmin to
create accounts with that prefix without special flags, which I think
makes it a more useful reserved
previously on this list Sergey B Kirpichev contributed:
Doesn't matter) rc.local shouldn't be used by local
admin to start services from. Why not use usual init-script?
I wouldn't be surprised if rc.local has been around longer than Debian
and is meant to run at the end. Particularly for a
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 04:01:53 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
On 2014-02-06 13:44:30 +, Felipe Sateler wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 00:47:54 +0100, Julian Taylor wrote:
On 06.02.2014 00:39, Jaromír Mikeš wrote:
-ffast-math
this is dangerous it changes results, sometimes significantly
On 10/02/14 13:46, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
So I'd agree with the underscore but see the not allowing the local
sysadmin to create accounts easily with it as a bad thing as they could
perfectly well want to avoid collisions with packages as much as a
debian dev.
A concrete example, please? If
[Sergey B Kirpichev]
Probably init-d-script could pass some cli-specified options to sh
with set builtin. To allow something like this:
/etc/init.d/script -x start
or
/etc/init.d/script start -x
I ended up with this instead: 'DEBUG=true /etc/init.d/script start'
The new
On 09/02/2014 13:14, Thomas Goirand wrote:
Is it too late to fix this as a release goal, so that we get every
init script to use /bin/sh?
Whether this is worth the effort or not (and not just *your* effort, the
effort of maintainers of packages with init scripts, even if just to
review and
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Andreas Tille ti...@debian.org
* Package name: giira
Version : 0.0.20140210
Upstream Author : Franziska Zickmann zickma...@rki.de
* URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/giira/
* License : GPLv3
Programming Lang: Java,
On 10/02/14 14:55, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On 09/02/2014 13:14, Thomas Goirand wrote:
Is it too late to fix this as a release goal, so that we get every
init script to use /bin/sh?
Whether this is worth the effort or not (and not just *your* effort, the
effort of maintainers of packages with
On Sat, Feb 08, 2014 at 12:30:18PM +0100, Tobias Frost wrote:
Hallo Oleg,
thanks for the report, but you should file a bug against the package
ltsp (using the Debian BTS) as this is the general Debian devel list.
(You can use e.g the tool reportbug for that, a reportbug ltsp
should get you
Le 6 févr. 2014 14:37, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org a écrit :
On 02/06/2014 07:06 PM, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
Since last summer, OpenRC has full support for LSB headers. Also, I
believe that OpenRC is the only init system replacement which allows
to mix dependencies with LSB or it's
Even when I dislike systemd approach, you act as a spammer and you annoy
people.
This is the reason you are banned, not the paranoidal crap with systemd
fanboys blah blah blah.
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 7:44 PM, crgi...@hushmail.com wrote:
That was a great article against systemd (note: you'll
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014, Craig Bransworth wrote:
Fuck systemd from the bottom of my heart.
Fuck it.
Fuck it.
FUCK SYSTEMD.
I do not want to learn systemd.
I do not want to deal with systemd.
I hate the way it does things.
I hate the way their community works.
Hi Craig. And thank you
On 02/11/2014 12:33 AM, Sam Hocevar wrote:
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014, Craig Bransworth wrote:
Fuck systemd from the bottom of my heart.
Fuck it.
Fuck it.
FUCK SYSTEMD.
I do not want to learn systemd.
I do not want to deal with systemd.
I hate the way it does things.
I hate the way their
Excerpts from Thomas Goirand's message of 2014-02-10 09:22:08 -0800:
On 02/11/2014 12:33 AM, Sam Hocevar wrote:
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014, Craig Bransworth wrote:
Fuck systemd from the bottom of my heart.
Fuck it.
Fuck it.
FUCK SYSTEMD.
I do not want to learn systemd.
I do not
previously on this list Simon McVittie contributed:
So I'd agree with the underscore but see the not allowing the local
sysadmin to create accounts easily with it as a bad thing as they could
perfectly well want to avoid collisions with packages as much as a
debian dev.
A concrete
On 02/10/2014 06:47 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
It is pretty ridiculous to me to consider the basic plumbing on the
system as replaceable as the thing that decides where on the screen my
shortcut to Google search for lolcatz goes.
I fully agree on that and other DDs already mentioned that in
the
Excuse me, but this reply isn't appropriate, just as much as the OP.
Redirecting him to another Unix distribution isn't the thing to do.
Instead, you should have informed the OP that we will continue to
support not only systemd, upstart, or whichever becomes the default.
Because that's the plan.
On Mon, 2014-02-10 at 19:41 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
We don't even manage to maintain two versions of ffmpeg (the original
and the fork) even though many users actually prefer the original. How
should this even work with the init system then?
Hi,
What about agreeing on a
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Le 10/02/2014 08:36, Andreas Tille a écrit :
I wonder in how far it is to late for debian/watch and not for the file
debian/upstream. Yey, I'm aware that we have two to three orders of
magnitude more debian/watch files than debian/upstream
Hi John
On 10/02/2014 20:41, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 02/10/2014 06:47 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
Neglecting reliability and maintainability for the sake of being
able to choose such a core component is a bad idea. I do not
think it's really feasible to maintain several init systems,
Hi David,
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 03:37:54PM -0400, David Prévot wrote:
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Le 10/02/2014 08:36, Andreas Tille a écrit :
I wonder in how far it is to late for debian/watch and not for the file
debian/upstream. Yey, I'm aware that we have two
On 02/10/2014 08:13 PM, Svante Signell wrote:
What about agreeing on a common syntax for a start? For example there is
a proposal floating around in debian-devel by Petter Reinholdtsen
entitled: Two line init.d scripts
Yes, I have seen Petter's suggestion and I don't think it's a good
solution
Hi,
On Montag, 10. Februar 2014, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
There are many core components where you cannot be choose between
different alternatives and no one bats an eye, yet everyone loses
their mind when it comes to init.
Amen.
And really, please everybody (re-)read the above and
Hello!
We are well into the planning for DebConf14 which will take place in
Portland, Oregon, USA during the 23rd-31st of August, 2014.
It looks like it is again going to be a great event and hope that
everyone can come, but to make it happen we need your help.
We are now contacting potential
On 02/10/2014 08:27 PM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote:
sysvinit has hit its limit with it's dependency-based nature, and the
only way to fix many outstanding bugs is by switching to an event-based
system.
No, event-based is not the proper design to model the dependencies
between services
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 09:10:56PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Again, I do not understand how our users will actually profit from
being able to choose their init system.
I am a minimalist - I like sysvrc as it is today and i dont like
the i can build a daemon which replaces
It is pretty ridiculous to me to consider the basic plumbing on the
system as replaceable as the thing that decides where on the screen
my
shortcut to Google search for lolcatz goes.
Perhaps that is just me though. ;)
See, systemd pushers are always trying to make their thing the only
thing.
We
Le Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 09:06:06PM +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit :
Thanks. Any helping hand is welcome. I simply want to make sure that
the thing you are proposing will be really sustainable in the first
place. The only problem I have with this issue is that changes like
this should have
Hello,
On Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 02:11:21AM -0500, Filipus Klutiero wrote:
There is no particular issue with migrating icedove to testing. Are
you saying you intend to upload icedove 24 to wheezy?
not direct to wheezy, we'll use stable-security to push icedove 24 to
wheezy. This is the same way
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 09:21:02AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
I wonder whether you have further files in mind which should end up in
debian/upstream/ dir. Could your please give some reasons why you
dropped the previously used location, debian/upstream-signing-key.pgp,
Quoting my initial
debianfan == debianfan debian...@hushmail.com writes:
debianfanI would like to propose forking Debian if the ctte
debianfan committee selects systemd
It's with great hesitation that I jump in here, and I know what I'm
doing is wrong.
I hope I've earned enough credibility over the
Le Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 08:38:51PM -0500, James McCoy a écrit :
I'm not trying to be confrontational. I'm trying to do work towards
what I thought you had agreed was an amenable solution as long as
someone does the work.
…
I've stated from the start that I would work on a transition, but
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:08:44AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 08:38:51PM -0500, James McCoy a écrit :
I'm not trying to be confrontational. I'm trying to do work towards
what I thought you had agreed was an amenable solution as long as
someone does the work.
Le Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 09:39:09PM -0500, James McCoy a écrit :
That wasn't clear to me in your previous messages, which is why I
presumed you were wanting someone to transition the consumers of the
file not the files themselves. That also seems like it's unnecessary to
do immediately since
Sigh.
On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 12:59:23PM +, Neil Williams wrote:
Using packages to support upstream development is a common problem and
this is exactly where things get awkward.
No, it is not a *problem*; it is a *method* of doing things.
It is not your place (nor mine) to question
Excerpts from Sam Hartman's message of 2014-02-10 17:29:47 -0800:
debianfan == debianfan debian...@hushmail.com writes:
debianfanI would like to propose forking Debian if the ctte
debianfan committee selects systemd
It's with great hesitation that I jump in here, and I know
On 02/11/2014 02:41 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 02/10/2014 06:47 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
It is pretty ridiculous to me to consider the basic plumbing on the
system as replaceable as the thing that decides where on the screen my
shortcut to Google search for lolcatz goes.
I fully
Excerpts from Thomas Goirand's message of 2014-02-10 20:20:36 -0800:
On 02/11/2014 04:10 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Do we allow users to choose their FireWire stack, WiFi or Audio Driver
stack in the kernel? There were several alternative implementations
of these, yet we only
On Mon, 2014-02-10 at 20:53 -0800, Clint Byrum wrote:
So, perhaps if we teach Upstart and OpenRC to read systemd unit files,
and they all can be expected to behave similarly, this will work out.
Otherwise, giving everyone a choice just makes work for little gain.
Why should OpenRC and Upstart
Am 08.02.2014 um 20:03 schrieb Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com:
On Vi, 07 feb 14, 19:22:06, Christoph Ender wrote:
I’m currently thinking about creating a virtual package for fizmo. [...]
I'd like to drop the transitional fizmo package for the jessie release
and provide a virtual
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Andrea Capriotti capri...@debian.org
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