On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 03:19:34PM -0800, Lawrence Walton wrote:
Craig I meant you need those things to have a smtp HOST. You know; to
send and recive email, I was not commenting about DUL in any form. So
to say I was spreadding FUD is foolish, maybe you could of asked for
more
On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 10:03:42PM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
I see you need to know a lot of keys. I think that is non-intuitive;
a full screen interface should have pulldown menus (perhaps with
shortcuts), a command line interface has switches.
Well, actually pull down menus are
On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 04:41:15PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Craig Sanders wrote:
debian developers should have the option of a uucp account from one
of the debian servers (trivially easy for us to set up).
I think we have been over this in various forms, I don't
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 01:36:37AM +0200, Nils Jeppe wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Craig Sanders wrote:
yep. the DUL lists dynamic (dialup) IPs, it doesn't list static IPs.
that's why it's called the MAPS Dialup User List.
Well then I have to agree, DUL is bad, because it's near impossible
Hi,
I've heard that software compiled with optimizations for a particular
processor (say, i686) boosts performance by as much as 20%. I was
wondering what is the best approach to take if I want to automatically
download src, compile and install all the packages that are currently
installed on my
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Craig Sanders wrote:
DUL is very effective in doing that. it prevents spammers from hiding
their activities from their ISP...which ensures that they will be caught
and their account nuked very promptly.
Okay, I see this point, however, I do have a problem with the
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 02:17:55AM +0200, Nils Jeppe wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Craig Sanders wrote:
DUL is very effective in doing that. it prevents spammers from
hiding their activities from their ISP...which ensures that they
will be caught and their account nuked very promptly.
On 29-Mar-00, 15:21 (CST), Lawrence Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nils: you still need a DNS named, static, route-able IP to be your own host.
I have DNS named, *dynamic*, routable IP -- thanks to the good folks at
dyndns.org. The only bad thing is that the reverse DNS isn't consistent.
I'm
On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 01:12:39PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote:
Well, it'd be nice to be able to do so, to verify that a mirror hasn't
been compromised, but no, you're right.
Actually I don't care that much if the mirror is compromised, if it
affects only packages that I don't install.
On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 04:41:15PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
[Providing reliable SMTP services to people on dialup IP, eg
UUCP-over-TCP]
It would be better for someone else to provide a service like this.
I have to say I'm extremely surprised that if ISPs in the US are as
incompetant as
Hello world,
inetd currently has a bug (Bug#60770) whereby internal services (in
particular discard/tcp) that fork don't close their inherited listening
sockets. This means that if:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] telnets to debian.victim.com port 9
(discard/sink/null)
*
Unfortunately I can't think of a reasonable way of checking for this
in the preinst. The shell code I posted to the bug report works okay
for testing, but it'll report existing connections that are perfectly
reasonable, rather than just programs listening where they shouldn't be,
so it's not
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 07:58:22AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
[snip]
Why did you CC me? I read the list. Please control yourself.
--
G. Branden Robinson| The basic test of freedom is perhaps
Debian GNU/Linux | less in what we are free to do than in
[EMAIL
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 01:25:03AM +0200, Nils Jeppe wrote:
Branden: You might consider getting a static.
The only way to live, imho. ;-)
You guys can stop CC'ing me any day now; I read the lists.
And BTW, I've stated several times that I *do* have a static IP. I suppose
you guys are too
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 10:34:05AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 02:17:55AM +0200, Nils Jeppe wrote:
NILS JEPPE, CRAIG SANDERS:
PLEASE STOP CC'ING ME ON LIST MAILS.
--
G. Branden Robinson| The greatest productive force is human
Debian GNU/Linux
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
Unfortunately I can't think of a reasonable way of checking for this
in the preinst. The shell code I posted to the bug report works okay
for testing, but it'll report existing connections that are perfectly
reasonable, rather than just programs
Eric Delaunay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm attempting to write support for scsidev at boot time in conjonction with
a fork of hwtools to create a new scsitools package that will provide only the
scsi stuff of hwtools and compile on non-i386 Debian architectures.
However, my scripts will
Hi, ive made my first debian package, Mandrakes drakxtools, it contains
a number of configuration tools, but my primary reason for packaging is
to provide diskdrake.
Diskdrake is a graphical partition manager, it allows resizing
parititions etc. I originally thought this would be good during
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 02:35:43PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
As to the dependency on fuser, hmm, now what's that thing called netstat(1)
which happens to be in your package and also happens to have a flag called
-p? :)
*blush*
On the upside, netstat also distinguishes between listening and
On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:15:56 -0600, you wrote:
Couldn't the original Received: headers be renamed to X-Received: (or
something like that; although I could figure out how to make that
happen with formail I don't know my mail headers well enough to know
if X-Received is already used by something
Ok folks, why is Debian called GNU/Linux instead of simply Linux?
Is that documented somewhere? On a web-page, faq, other document?
Regards,
Joey
--
The good thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from.
-- Andrew S. Tanenbaum
Please always Cc to me when
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ok folks, why is Debian called GNU/Linux instead of simply Linux?
Is that documented somewhere? On a web-page, faq, other document?
IIRC, Debian was originally funded by the FSF, who wouldn't have it
any other way. Leavinger personal opinions aside in
Jakob 'sparky' Kaivo wrote:
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ok folks, why is Debian called GNU/Linux instead of simply Linux?
Is that documented somewhere? On a web-page, faq, other document?
IIRC, Debian was originally funded by the FSF, who wouldn't have it
any other way.
On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 11:59:07PM -0800, Jakob 'sparky' Kaivo wrote:
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ok folks, why is Debian called GNU/Linux instead of simply Linux?
Is that documented somewhere? On a web-page, faq, other document?
IIRC, Debian was originally funded by the
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-basic_defs.html#s-gnu
I've read that before. I'm to new of a developer to know anything. But
isn't the story that Debian started with strong connections to FSF,
dropped them and then after a long flamefest reestablished
How can I hide/show the cursor on a generic text terminal (xterms
included),
without using the famous 'ncurses' libraries ?
And about colors and text scrolling ?
I found an interesting document on internet (unix programmer FAQ v1.31)
concerning
how to program terminals, tasks, mailing, etc., but
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 11:18:31AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How can I hide/show the cursor on a generic text terminal (xterms
included), without using the famous 'ncurses' libraries ?
use ncurses, then you don't have to make any hard-coded assumptions
about the terminal's capabilities.
Hi,
I'm reading my system documentation with dwww. However, with current
potato/woody versions of dwww and file I have trouble for some files
(i.e the web server hangs and reports a timeout)
Examples for bad files are
On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Bruce Perens wrote:
Permissions on mount points don't seem to make much difference. I was able to
mount a filesystem on a mount point with mode 0, and once mounted the
permissions come from the mounted filesystem, not the mount point.
While we are at it, is there a
hello
i just upgraded my woody system using with apt-get
(http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free)
and now my consoles say Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 (frozen) instead of
Debian GNU/Linux woody ... i guess this is a packaging
whoops-this-was-the-wrong-string problem...
regards
Josh Wilmes wrote:
Are you possibly out of memory? (perhaps a process has run away and gobbled
it up)?
No; the problem is only if I try to get an interactive su session:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] cat /proc/meminfo
total:used:free: shared: buffers: cached:
Mem:
Interesting. Try ulimit -a. Any strange limits set?
--Josh
Josh Wilmes wrote:
Are you possibly out of memory? (perhaps a process has run away and gobbl
ed
it up)?
No; the problem is only if I try to get an interactive su session:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] cat
Thank you
-
The ones you called weenie dos programmer were not so weenie, because
the old Ms-dos worked on PCs with a Ibm 80x25 terminal in the 90-95% of
cases.
Then that assumption was a standard de facto...
Anyway, you didn't answer to my question !
On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Branden Robinson wrote:
Mar 29 15:20:15 apocalypse sendmail[7886]: e2T8qEi03048: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.greenend.org.uk, ctladdr=branden (1000/1000), delay=11:28:01, xdelay
=00:00:21, mailer=esmtp, pri=6332789, relay=chiark.greenend.org.uk.
[195.224.76.132], dsn=4.2.0,
Josh Wilmes wrote:
Interesting. Try ulimit -a. Any strange limits set?
Not that I can see:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] su
Password:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ulimit -a
core file size (blocks) unlimited
data seg size (kbytes) unlimited
file size (blocks) unlimited
max
Branden Robinson writes (Ian Jackson, please get me the hell off your
blacklist.):
Mar 29 15:20:15 apocalypse sendmail[7886]: e2T8qEi03048: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
ctladdr=branden (1000/1000), delay=11:28:01, xdelay=00:00:21, mailer=esmtp,
pri=6332789, relay=chiark.greenend.org.uk.
On Thu 30 Mar 2000, Herbert Xu wrote:
As to the dependency on fuser, hmm, now what's that thing called netstat(1)
which happens to be in your package and also happens to have a flag called
-p? :)
$ man netstat
[...]
SYNOPSIS
netstat [-venaoc] [--tcp|-t] [--udp|-u]
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
most of the recent spam would have been blocked by using MAPS RSS
(relays.mail-abuse.org), though...and not by MAPS DUL.
IMO, we should use both. individually they are quite effective in
blocking spam, but they are even better when used together.
This spam issue is so political.
If you're stuck with a service provider who has a crappy mail
service, and/or who has your IP listed on the DUL, I'll offer a
solution.
I run an ISP in Canada. We offer shell accounts, on a machine
running Debian Potato, for a reasonable price ($10/month, or
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 01:12:10PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote:
Before all useful points are lost in the flamage, may I suggest that a
X-Filtered-By: DUL
or similar header be added to all list mail?
Apparently qmail can't do that out of the box.
Yes, we are still being hypocritical
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 10:34:05AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
b) use uucp-over-tcp (requires uucp account somewhere)
c) use smtp-over-ssh (requires shell account somewhere)
Can someone point me to any references on setting up either of these.
I had to give up my static IP and often have
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 10:53:38AM +0200, Peter Makholm wrote:
I've read that before. I'm to new of a developer to know anything. But
isn't the story that Debian started with strong connections to FSF,
It did. Ian Murdock did work for the FSF early on.
dropped them and then after a long
The following packages have survived the bug horizon, in some cases twice,
because they are too important to drop. These bugs will delay the release
of potato.
Package: boot-floppies (debian/main).
Maintainer: Debian Install System Team debian-boot@lists.debian.org
58266 [fixed in CVS] PCMCIA
Is there any kind of database to filter out time-wasting, vitriolic
arguments full of personal attacks, about things that have nothing to
do with Debian?
I guess there is, but come on people, enough is enough. Just hit the
delete key and get over it. There are tons of things to do to make
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Stefan Ott wrote:
i just upgraded my woody system using with apt-get
(http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free)
and now my consoles say Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 (frozen) instead of
Debian GNU/Linux woody ... i guess this is a packaging
On Wed, 29 March 2000 14:31:50 -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
This is deliberately removed, we had some problems a year or so ago with
the received lines getting too long for some mailers. We are looking at
putting them back.
There are some sites out there that have a limit of 15 and
you are
On Thu, 30 March 2000 05:53:20 -0500, Eric Weigel wrote:
If you're stuck with a service provider who has a crappy mail
service, and/or who has your IP listed on the DUL, I'll offer a
solution.
Also uucp over tcp/ip is offered for quite a small monthly
charge at cid.net, have whatever hostname
On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Tristan Savatier wrote:
It works (well runs, I have no VCDs to test with at work) and display
help (mtvp -h). Even the graphical intreface works too. That .deb was
mtv_1.1.0.20-2_i386.deb
When I install the glibc2.1 version (mtv_1.1.0.20-3_i386.deb) it
promptly fails.
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Richard Braakman wrote:
...
Package: libgd-graph-perl (debian/contrib).
Maintainer: Piotr Roszatycki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
59442 libgd-graph-perl: Missing files, missing dependencies
...
This also takes out rmagic.
cu,
Adrian
--
A No uttered from deepest conviction is
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 03:17:17PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Richard Braakman wrote:
...
Package: libgd-graph-perl (debian/contrib).
Maintainer: Piotr Roszatycki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
59442 libgd-graph-perl: Missing files, missing dependencies
...
This also takes
On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 11:58:39AM +0100, Peter Makholm wrote:
In SSLUG (swedish/danish LUG) we have begun translating
man-pages to danish. when we have finished a nice set (like
file-utils) I will make a debian package out of it.
Great!
Please, as some of these people tend to use RedHat (yes,
Hi Santiago!
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Santiago Vila wrote:
On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Bruce Perens wrote:
Permissions on mount points don't seem to make much difference. I was able
to
mount a filesystem on a mount point with mode 0, and once mounted the
permissions come from the mounted
Hi
I'm wondering why the package 'rrdtool' does not exist anymore for potato?
Because it has been to old?
Because the older version couldn't built from source?
Is it orphaned? (Then I would take it, when becoming a developer). Though
it is not listed in prospective-packages.html.
Where can I get
On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 10:50:07PM +0200, Andreas Krüger wrote:
Closing Bug 49962, Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Everything has been said, and there's no clean
solution. It would be a crude hack to make (all or most of
the) packages conflict with an old man-db simply because
In Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:10:20 +0100, de profundis Oliver Elphick
olly@lfix.co.uk cum veritas scribat
Try from another user :
ps axu | grep root | wc
and see how many processes root is running ...
--
dancer, a.k.a. Junichi Uekawa http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer
Dept. of Knowledge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler) writes:
It seems, that the problem only occurs with longer (more than 1 chars)
files. Looking for the cause of this problem, I found that the line
$decompress $file | file -b - | magic2mime in dwww-convert is responsible.
Well, if I do a
Le Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 04:49:20PM +0200, Alexander Reelsen écrivait:
I'm wondering why the package 'rrdtool' does not exist anymore for potato?
Because it has been to old?
No because it had a release critical bug that nobody took care to correct
... even if the bug was trivial to fix. The
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 01:11:09PM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote:
-p, --programs
displays process name and PID of the owner of each socket
it dumps. You have to be the owner of such process to have
all it's sockets matched to it or generally root user will
Is there any way currently of adding to a Packages file incrementally?
Even on a fairly quick machine it takes a while to scan 500 packages,
and when I've only changed 1 it'd be nice not to have to wait.
If not, I'll be happy to write some code, I just don't want
duplication of effort.
I usually run my shell with LC_ALL set to de_DE. Calling 'printf %1.1f\n 1'
then gives me 1,0 which is the correct answer under the german locale.
Now I unset LC_ALL to get the command to print 1.0 but wasn't able to.
However, running under strace it works. Finally I tried a subshell but that
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 07:23:09PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Is it orphaned? (Then I would take it, when becoming a developer). Though
it is not listed in prospective-packages.html.
It's not officially orphaned but it's no maintained anymore since the
maintainer could have fixed this
Hi, you may know me from such irc channels as #debian and #debian-devel
as Myth.
If you have a short temper, don't read this.
If you are more advocate about freedom at any cost than RMS, don't read this.
If you just ggot done reading the RBL/DUL/ORBS thread, please, don't
take your anger out on
On 30-Mar-00, 05:43 (CST), Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The following packages have survived the bug horizon, in some cases twice,
because they are too important to drop. These bugs will delay the release
of potato.
Package: debianutils (debian/main).
Maintainer: Guy Maor
According to Franklin Belew:
Hi, you may know me from such irc channels as #debian and #debian-devel
as Myth.
I'm Troy McClure! Er, no, that's not right.
These may sound like the disgruntled ramblings of a frustrated wannabe
developer, but I hope you can see where I am coming from.
Oh,
According to Richard Braakman:
Package: gcc (debian/main).
Maintainer: Debian GCC maintainers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
58412 r-base: Can't build from source
59819 gcc_2.95.2-7(frozen): fails to compile itself on m68k
61258 missing header files in include/asm on non-i386 architectures
May I
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:12:12 +0900, Junichi Uekawa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:10:20 +0100, de profundis Oliver Elphick
olly@lfix.co.uk cum veritas scribat
and see how many processes root is running ...
237!
Samba running as a daemon rather than from inetd seems to
have
Le Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 01:40:31PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman écrivait:
It is neither officially orphaned nor 'no maintained anymore'. I have
prepared a fixed version, and I am waiting for it to be uploaded by my
sponsor.
Your email to the BTS did not warrant a reply; you told me how to fix the
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 11:12:27AM -0800, Chip Salzenberg wrote:
According to Richard Braakman:
Package: gcc (debian/main).
Maintainer: Debian GCC maintainers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
58412 r-base: Can't build from source
59819 gcc_2.95.2-7(frozen): fails to compile itself on m68k
61258
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anyway, you didn't answer to my question !
What Craig said about curses was absolutely right, but if you really
want to hardwire the codes, look at
console_codes(4)linux console
/usr/share/doc/xterm/ctlseqs.ms.gz xterm
If
Thomas Gebhardt wrote:
yes, that's what I want to do. My aim is to use FAI (Fully automated
installation, cf. http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/) for
the installation of potato. Currently FAI tries to install the
packages non-interactively with the default values (using
various
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 09:22:41PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Great, sorry for the confusion, however you could have fixed this RC bug
way before the first bug horizon, you haven't done such a good job by
taking so long ... I don't want to blame you but RC bugs (and particularly
when they
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Richard Braakman wrote:
Package: smail (debian/main).
Maintainer: Soenke Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[HELP] Mail to Soenke bounced.
59135 smail: Smail doesn't work with the latest libraries
Has anybody been able to reproduce this bug? I have been running smail
from xinetd
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 10:01:16PM +0200, Remco Blaakmeer wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Richard Braakman wrote:
Package: smail (debian/main).
Maintainer: Soenke Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[HELP] Mail to Soenke bounced.
59135 smail: Smail doesn't work with the latest libraries
Has
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 01:12:10PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote:
Before all useful points are lost in the flamage, may I suggest that a
X-Filtered-By: DUL
or similar header be added to all list mail?
Apparently qmail can't do that out of
According to Ben Collins:
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 11:12:27AM -0800, Chip Salzenberg wrote:
May I assume that the latter two bugs will not delay the release of
potato for i386?
Couldn't be more wrong. Bugs are bugs...a package with a serious bug on a
supported arch, affects that package
But that makes no sense ... I'm a Debian developer, but I have no
access to any m68k machines. Yet potato, which includes some of my
work, can't be released ... and I can do nothing about it?
According to http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi, you can get an account on
kullervo.debian.org.
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 01:02:46PM -0800, Chip Salzenberg wrote:
According to Ben Collins:
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 11:12:27AM -0800, Chip Salzenberg wrote:
May I assume that the latter two bugs will not delay the release of
potato for i386?
Couldn't be more wrong. Bugs are bugs...a
Brian Greenfield wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:12:12 +0900, Junichi Uekawa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:10:20 +0100, de profundis Oliver Elphick [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
x.co.uk cum veritas scribat
and see how many processes root is running ...
237!
Samba
According to Will Lowe:
According to http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi, you can get an
account on kullervo.debian.org.
I hadn't thought to look there. Silly me.
--
Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I wanted to play hopscotch with the impenetrable mystery
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 07:48:00PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote:
I usually run my shell with LC_ALL set to de_DE.
Usually using LC_ALL is not a very good idea. It's better to use LANG, or, if
you want only particular aspects of the program behaviour to be localized,
LC_CTYPE, LC_MESSAGE, LC_TIME,
Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I usually run my shell with LC_ALL set to de_DE. Calling 'printf %1.1f\n 1'
then gives me 1,0 which is the correct answer under the german locale.
Now I unset LC_ALL to get the command to print 1.0 but wasn't able
to.
printf is a bash builtin. bash
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 12:22:56PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The ones you called weenie dos programmer were not so weenie,
because the old Ms-dos worked on PCs with a Ibm 80x25 terminal in the
90-95% of cases.
Then that assumption was a standard de facto...
and it was proven to be a
If you wish to email me about any of my packages, do so from an address
which does not reject my mail as coming from a dialup IP. My IP is
STATIC and your ISP is run by morons who can't tell the difference, even
though I am no longer listed on the DUL. I am attempting once and once
only to reach
Drew Bloechl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 01:11:09PM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote:
-p, --programs
displays process name and PID of the owner of each socket
it dumps. You have to be the owner of such process to have
all it's sockets
Michael == Michael Vogt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michael If you like the package :-) Of course. The package lacks
Michael a good example /etc/aide.conf. If someone has a nice
Michael example, please send it to me. I will include it in the
Michael package.
Let me know once this
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