Paquet d'un binaire contenant une librairie

2003-07-23 Thread Jean-Michel Kelbert
Bonjour, J'ai voulu mettre à jour un de mes paquets : k3b. Mais la nouvelle version comporte désormais une librairie : libk3bcore : $ dpkg -c k3b_0.9-1_i386.deb |grep lib [...] -rw-r--r-- root/root275296 2003-07-24 00:38:00 ./usr/lib/libk3bcore.so.1.0.0 -rw-r--r-- root/root 1105

Re: Paquet d'un binaire contenant une librairie

2003-07-23 Thread Frédéric Bothamy
* Jean-Michel Kelbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-07-24 01:18] : Bonjour, J'ai voulu mettre à jour un de mes paquets : k3b. Mais la nouvelle version comporte désormais une librairie : libk3bcore : [...] Donc, je pense bien à utiliser dh_makeshlibs, mais je ne trouve pas cela très propre.

proposal: per-user temporary directories on by default?

2003-07-23 Thread Martin Pool
There has been about one temporary file vulnerability in Debian per month since the start of the year. Given the number of relatively unaudited programs that create temporary files and the possible complexity of tempfile vulnerabilities, I am not sure that all the problems will be found and

Re: surfraw ultimatum

2003-07-23 Thread Thomas Smith
Hi, On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 07:03 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: religiousasbestos longjohns Just don't *dare* to let anyone remove /usr/bin/google or I'll kill you, your dog and your friend's uncle's son's ex-roommate's girlfriend's aunt's pet hamster. /asbestos/religious OK, how about we

Re: Problems with Samba and/or Sundance Ethernet Driver

2003-07-23 Thread Andrew Pollock
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 07:56:52AM -0400, Paul Galbraith wrote: I didn't have any luck with this on the user list, I'm hoping someone on this list can offer some suggestions. I'd really like to spend some time digging into this to see if I can find the real problem, but I'm not sure where to

APT- Get Error - Dynamic MMap ran out of room

2003-07-23 Thread Mike Haill
Hi all, As a brand newbie to linux, I'm hoping that someone can help me out with a problem. I recently installed Debian and ran apt-get update but keep getting the same error messages. I've been attached to google for the last few days and tried everything I could find but no success. The

Re: proposal: per-user temporary directories on by default?

2003-07-23 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 02:09:28PM +1000, Martin Pool wrote: There is already a PAM modules, libpam-tmpdir which automatically sets this up on login by creating a per-user directory under /tmp and pointing TMPDIR at it. Despite the scary low version number of 0.04 it seems to work reliably

Re: proposal: per-user temporary directories on by default?

2003-07-23 Thread Joel Baker
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 08:21:09AM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 02:09:28PM +1000, Martin Pool wrote: There is already a PAM modules, libpam-tmpdir which automatically sets this up on login by creating a per-user directory under /tmp and pointing TMPDIR at it.

why no python, tcl, tk metapackage?

2003-07-23 Thread Dan Jacobson
I see my sid system has collected various python 2.1 and 2.2 packages, but no 2.3 packages. Couldn't there be a python metapackage that I could install to always keep python at its freshest, also saving disk space by disposing older versions? In particular, after purging 2.1 et. al. by hand, I

Re: APT- Get Error - Dynamic MMap ran out of room

2003-07-23 Thread Marcus Frings
* Mike Haill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a brand newbie to linux, I'm hoping that someone can help me out with a problem. This should have better been mailed to a debian-user-mailinglist and not to debian-devel for it is a well-known problem. Reading Package Lists...Error! E: Dynamic MMap

Re: why no python, tcl, tk metapackage?

2003-07-23 Thread Joshua Kwan
[ I have certainly been trolled, but you piss me off far too much: ] On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 09:03:26AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: I see my sid system has collected various python 2.1 and 2.2 packages, but no 2.3 packages. Couldn't there be a python metapackage that I could install to always

Re: why no python, tcl, tk metapackage?

2003-07-23 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 20:03, Dan Jacobson wrote: I see my sid system has collected various python 2.1 and 2.2 packages, but no 2.3 packages. Couldn't there be a python metapackage that I could install to always keep python at its freshest, also saving disk space by disposing older versions?

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-23 Thread Sam Couter
Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the same time I observe that this thread has generated much hot air, but I didn't see any proposal of who could act as DPL. Please post the selection criteria for acceptance to the position of DAM. The response If you don't

Bug#202556: ITP: apradar -- a GTK+-based graphical netstumbler

2003-07-23 Thread Keegan Quinn
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-22 Severity: wishlist * Package name: apradar Version : 0.41 Upstream Author : Don Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://apradar.sourceforge.net/ * License : MIT Description : a GTK+-based graphical

new credit printing mechanism now present in reiserfsprogs

2003-07-23 Thread Hans Reiser
it now prints two random credits rather than all of them, and credits for the developers are in place. suggestions about how to improve this while preserving the credits (e.g. printing them at a different stage of mkreiserfs, etc.) are welcome. -- Hans

Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 06:36:06PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: I've some questions for you, first. Would you mind, please, to explain to me why back-porting a patch for a buggy package in stable would be better than releasing a new package for the stable distribution? Do you mind

Re: new credit printing mechanism now present in reiserfsprogs

2003-07-23 Thread David B Harris
(That's a really long recipient list - does this need only go to reiserfs-list@namesys.com and [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:45:09 +0400 Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it now prints two random credits rather than all of them, and credits for the developers are in place.

Re: new credit printing mechanism now present in reiserfsprogs

2003-07-23 Thread Yury Umanets
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 12:15, David B Harris wrote: (That's a really long recipient list - does this need only go to reiserfs-list@namesys.com and [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:45:09 +0400 Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it now prints two random credits rather than all of

Re: db.debian.org

2003-07-23 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Glenn McGrath | Is there a list of developer accessible machines anywhere ? | | A mirror of http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi would have been handy http://raw.no/debian/machines.html is the list I have. Please send me updates and I'll update it. -- Tollef Fog Heen

Re: new credit printing mechanism now present in reiserfsprogs

2003-07-23 Thread Hans Reiser
Yury Umanets wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 12:15, David B Harris wrote: (That's a really long recipient list - does this need only go to reiserfs-list@namesys.com and [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:45:09 +0400 Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it now prints two random credits

Re: proposal: per-user temporary directories on by default?

2003-07-23 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Christoph Hellwig | On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 02:09:28PM +1000, Martin Pool wrote: | There is already a PAM modules, libpam-tmpdir which automatically sets | this up on login by creating a per-user directory under /tmp and | pointing TMPDIR at it. Despite the scary low version number of 0.04

Re: Welcome to the Cc mailing list

2003-07-23 Thread Federico Sevilla III
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:27:07AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list! [...] General information about the mailing list is at: http://strategicnetworks.com/mailman/listinfo/cc_strategicnetworks.com [...] You must know your password to change your

Re: new credit printing mechanism now present in reiserfsprogs

2003-07-23 Thread Yury Umanets
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 13:01, Hans Reiser wrote: Yury Umanets wrote: mkreiserfs creates bitmaps, and bitmap count depends on partition size, so it will take longer time on bigger partitions. Let's try it David's way. Change it and upload it to the website. Done -- We're flying

Re: why no python, tcl, tk metapackage?

2003-07-23 Thread Matthias Klose
Joshua Kwan writes: However, python2.3 is not the default yet. If you need profusely bleeding edge stuff all the time, please don't use Debian, or do the work yourself and keep an eye on experimental. Debian is about being moderately stable at all times. simply install python2.3 and continue

mplayer 0.90, was Re: why mplayer not in Debian

2003-07-23 Thread Andrea Mennucc
well, I changed my mind a packaging of mplayer 0.90 is available at deb http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/ ./ we asked for someone on debian-legal to scrutinize it and say if the work we did is enough to let this package in Debian it has also been uploaded to the queue (in case an ftp-installer

confirm 37a30a14920764b4004929c1dadac63c63523b62

2003-07-23 Thread Cc-request
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Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html#s-bug-security in particular 5.8.5.3 Preparing packages to address security issues will answer your question Fabio On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 06:36:06PM -0400, Matt

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 11:57:54AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html#s-bug-security in particular 5.8.5.3 Preparing packages to address security issues It doesn't answare my question. I should explain my self in a different

Re: Welcome to the Cc mailing list

2003-07-23 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 11:42, Federico Sevilla III wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:27:07AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list! [...] General information about the mailing list is at:

Re: Welcome to the Cc mailing list

2003-07-23 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 13:09, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 11:42, Federico Sevilla III wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:27:07AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list! [...] General information about the mailing list is at:

Re: Welcome to the Cc mailing list

2003-07-23 Thread Federico Sevilla III
(Please don't cc me replies, see Mail-Followup-To) On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:09:04PM +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 11:42, Federico Sevilla III wrote: Seeing as it didn't seem like Debian-Devel as a whole wanted to be included in the lone mailing list of

gnupg - old bugs

2003-07-23 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
Yo all! I went through some of the older bug reports of gnupg - I'd like some input whether I should act as suggested, or rather not. All of those bugs are more than 1 year old. Greetings -- vbi http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=101502 gnupg: gnupg uses wrong key

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Sander Smeenk
Quoting Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): My point is: i understand what said in that paragraph, but what if new version is a bugfix release that does not address only a secutiry issue? I'm not sure that system administrators would like to have a buggy package on their hosts

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 11:57:54AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html#s-bug-security in particular 5.8.5.3 Preparing packages to address security issues It

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:19:25PM +0200, Sander Smeenk wrote: The same happened with one of my packages: snort. There was a /really/ old release in stable, because new uploads didn't make it in time. There were a couple of reasons why it would be good to have a new upstream version of the

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 07:09:01AM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:19:25PM +0200, Sander Smeenk wrote: The same happened with one of my packages: snort. There was a /really/ old release in stable, because new uploads didn't make it in time. There were

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:31:52PM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: Because you can never be sure that it will not change the package behaviour in all its small details and that will not introduce new bugs. ...And that is a rock solid concept if applied in general. Probably in the

coreutils with acl support

2003-07-23 Thread Michael Stone
(Please CC: me, I no longer track debian-devel) I am contemplating the upload of a version of coreutils that will have support for file acls. (I.e., mv cp -p will preserve acls, and ls -l will indicate whether a file has an acl.) Doing this would promote libacl1 and libattr1 to base and required

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Nick Phillips
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:31:52PM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: Because you can never be sure that it will not change the package behaviour in all its small details and that will not introduce new bugs. I believe that when a package is so badly outdated or broken that the version in

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 07:24:09AM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: ... ... said that your points are good, it may be useful to define a forum for the discussion of cases like phpgroupware or snort. In the end i whould say that there must be a general behaviour, but we should leave

Re: coreutils with acl support

2003-07-23 Thread Stephen Frost
* Michael Stone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: to optional, but that would probably break something.) Thus, I am soliciting input about whether this is something people would like to see. The advantage is better support for acl's in debian (which will be I'd definitely like to see it. I think

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Frank Lenaerts
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 07:09:01AM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:19:25PM +0200, Sander Smeenk wrote: The same happened with one of my packages: snort. There was a /really/ old release in stable, because new uploads didn't make it in time. There were

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:15:55AM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 06:36:06PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: I've some questions for you, first. Would you mind, please, to explain to me why back-porting a patch for a buggy package in stable would be

Re: coreutils with acl support

2003-07-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 08:18:02AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: I am contemplating the upload of a version of coreutils that will have support for file acls. (I.e., mv cp -p will preserve acls, and ls -l will indicate whether a file has an acl.) Doing this would promote libacl1 and libattr1

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 02:17:29PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 07:09:01AM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote [...] And another one: Who would ever use a SpamAssassin tool which cannot catch any of the spam out there nowadays? 2.20-1woody is so old and timely

Re: coreutils with acl support

2003-07-23 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Michael Stone wrote: Another possibility would be an optional coreutils-acl package or somesuch, but I don't particularly like the idea of diversions or alternatives or complex dependency structures for ls et al. What'd be the problem with a package coreutils-acl that just Conflicts: and

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Nick Phillips wrote: I believe that when a package is so badly outdated or broken that the version in stable should not or can not be used, it should at least be considered for update, new bugs or no. FWIW, I agree. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL

Re: coreutils with acl support

2003-07-23 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 08:18:02AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: I don't know whether kernels other than linux support acl's, so this may not affect the freebsd or hurd ports. FreeBSD supports ACLs but they don't have a libacl - their support for Posix1003.1e is in libc.

Re: coreutils with acl support

2003-07-23 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Michael Stone wrote: (Please CC: me, I no longer track debian-devel) I am contemplating the upload of a version of coreutils that will have support for file acls. (I.e., mv cp -p will preserve acls, and ls -l Yay! Please do so! Another possibility would be an optional

Re: coreutils with acl support

2003-07-23 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 08:18:02AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: libacl1 and libattr1 to base and required status. (Or demote coreutils Oh and btw, the depency on libattr1 is probably a bug. Since glibc 2.3 we have the xattr syscalls in libc (see /usr/include/sys/xattr.h)

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:05:23PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: Do not even start thinking about something like this. To late: if i wrote it, i thought it :) If you start asking you will likely find more than thousand packages where someone will have a good reason for an update of the package in

Re: coreutils with acl support

2003-07-23 Thread Clint Adams
(Please CC: me, I no longer track debian-devel) Your M-F-T is broken. I am contemplating the upload of a version of coreutils that will have support for file acls. (I.e., mv cp -p will preserve acls, and ls -l How about selinux support?

Re: coreutils with acl support

2003-07-23 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 08:18:02AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: (Please CC: me, I no longer track debian-devel) You should move debian-devel from subscribe to lists to automatize this. I am contemplating the upload of a version of coreutils that will have support for file acls. (I.e., mv cp

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Richard Kettlewell
Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you start asking you will likely find more than thousand packages where someone will have a good reason for an update of the package in Debian 3.0. If only every 10th of these updates introduces a new bug (IMHO a conservative estimation) these packages

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 08:41:50AM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: ... I accept your observation on my proposal, but i would more appreciate other ideas and/or solutions. If there was a stable release of Debian once a year Debian 3.1 was already released. ciao, cu Adrian --

Re: coreutils with acl support

2003-07-23 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:05:35PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, Michael Stone wrote: Another possibility would be an optional coreutils-acl package or somesuch, but I don't particularly like the idea of diversions or alternatives or complex dependency structures for ls et al.

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 09:10:01AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: This is already in the security team FAQ, and in the developers reference in section 5.8.5.3 Preparing packages to address security issues, but apparently it requires further explanation, because this issue comes up from time to

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:08:30PM +0200, Frank Lenaerts wrote: ... As base is quite small, it could be released more frequently. The not base part could evolve independent from the base part. Consider e.g. a g++ transition or a transition to a new version of perl: There is no simple way to

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 08:58:55AM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: Things are clearer now. You're right: i should have done a new package by time, but you probably ignore that, due to lack of time, i've filed an RFA on phpgroupware which resulted in many mails and no real effort

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a newpackage.

2003-07-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 02:30:28PM +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote: Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you start asking you will likely find more than thousand packages where someone will have a good reason for an update of the package in Debian 3.0. If only every 10th of these

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:54:32PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: If there was a stable release of Debian once a year Debian 3.1 was already released. hehe, i knew you would have came to that suggestion sooner or later :) But there are softwares for which it could make sense to update more than

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Frank Lenaerts
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:05:30PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:08:30PM +0200, Frank Lenaerts wrote: ... As base is quite small, it could be released more frequently. The not base part could evolve independent from the base part. Consider e.g. a g++ transition or a

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-23 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 10:58:09PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 03:51:51PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: I don't think you'll find much argument with those points. It is a matter of determining what needs to be done in order to achieve this goal, and doing it. I

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Mattia Dongili
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 08:41:50AM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:05:23PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: Do not even start thinking about something like this. To late: if i wrote it, i thought it :) If you start asking you will likely find more than

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:17:57PM +0200, Frank Lenaerts wrote: ... The not base part could be split further into parts. These parts could be things related to mailservers, things related to webservers, database servers, IDS, end-user workstations, ... Because each of these not base

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 09:17:14AM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:54:32PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: If there was a stable release of Debian once a year Debian 3.1 was already released. hehe, i knew you would have came to that suggestion sooner or

Re: coreutils with acl support

2003-07-23 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 08:18:02AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: A demo package is available at people.d.o/~mstone/ Out of curiosity, is there a particular reason why acl support is not integrated upstream? -- - mdz

Re: coreutils with acl support

2003-07-23 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 23, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am contemplating the upload of a version of coreutils that will have support for file acls. (I.e., mv cp -p will preserve acls, and ls -l Please do. -- ciao, | Marco | [963 dih6i3GB682fA]

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 10:26:24AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 10:58:09PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 03:51:51PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: I don't think you'll find much argument with those points. It is a matter of determining what

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Andreas Barth
* Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030723 14:35]: ... said that your points are good, it may be useful to define a forum for the discussion of cases like phpgroupware or snort. In the end i whould say that there must be a general behaviour, but we should leave space for

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-23 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:51:44PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 10:26:24AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: And as I stated above, I think at least half the problem is determining what needs to be done. Have you any suggestions? If I were release manager, I'd do the

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-23 Thread Roland Mas
Matt Zimmerman (2003-07-23 11:25:27 -0400) : I'm not convinced that establishing release goals will and deadlines speed the release process. For example, a prominent release goal for sarge will be debian-installer, since we cannot release without it. Will telling the d-i developers you must

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-23 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! Am 2003-07-23 11:25 -0400 schrieb Matt Zimmerman: I'm not convinced that establishing release goals will and deadlines speed the release process. For example, a prominent release goal for sarge will be debian-installer, since we cannot release without it. Will telling the d-i developers

Re: coreutils with acl support

2003-07-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:05:34PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: What'd be the problem with a package coreutils-acl that just Conflicts: and Provides: coreutils? I'd worry about the fragility of such a system in the face of upgrades, the inability for a coreutils-acl to do a versioned provides:

Re: Closing cinelerra ITP [was: cleaning of the wnpp / RFP]

2003-07-23 Thread Keegan Quinn
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 11:15:57AM -0400, Michael Furr wrote: This isn't to say that it can _never_ enter debian, just that a significant amount of code hacking would have to take place as well as a general audit. Needless to say, I do not have time(nor the hardware) to make these

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-23 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 05:57:10PM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: Besides, what's so bad with the current boot-floppies that they could not be used for another release? Most people will do a mere dist-upgrade anyway, and b-f are thoroughly tested. But this certainly is another issue... Ask a

Re: coreutils with acl support

2003-07-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 09:43:17AM -0400, Clint Adams wrote: How about selinux support? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=193328 Mike Stone

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-23 Thread Andreas Metzler
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:51:44PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 10:26:24AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: And as I stated above, I think at least half the problem is determining what needs to be done. Have you any suggestions? If I

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mer 23/07/2003 à 17:57, Martin Pitt a écrit : Besides, what's so bad with the current boot-floppies that they could not be used for another release? Most people will do a mere dist-upgrade anyway, and b-f are thoroughly tested. But this certainly is another issue... Are you willing to

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:02:59PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 02:17:29PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: Why should you redo this work? http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/ The package (1) does not deal with the logcheck mess that I am trying to solve. data (1)

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-23 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 06:13:39PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not convinced that establishing release goals will and deadlines speed the release process. For example, a prominent release goal for sarge will be debian-installer, since we

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 12:27:59PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 06:13:39PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not convinced that establishing release goals will and deadlines speed the release process. For example, a

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:45:54PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: That applies to data-files (or very similar things) like spamassasin. There should be in the README.Debian given a location for the backport by the maintainer. Spamassassin needs more than data files, since the rules relay on

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 06:27:59PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:02:59PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 02:17:29PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: Why should you redo this work? http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/ The package (1) does not

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 05:24:19PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: So you agree on having a bounce of personal archives on p.d.o rather than a way of getting them in stable trough oficial channels? If you use only stable you get the well-known stability of Debian. Which might be where lies

Re: Using reportbug with Gnus

2003-07-23 Thread Marcus Frings
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron M. Ucko) wrote: Marcus Frings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Symbol's function definition is void: gnus-agent-possibly-save-gcc Confirmed; FWIW, I have reportbug 2.20, emacs21 21.3-1, and gnus 5.10.2-3. Almost the same here, except for the fact that I use Manoj's

Re: proposal: per-user temporary directories on by default?

2003-07-23 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 09:23:23AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 12:35:15AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote: Except for OS types or versions that don't support that, or people who actually want /tmp when they explicitly request it, even if TMPDIR=~/tmp is fine most of the

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-23 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 03:21:59PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: But he /does/ do the job - people who are trusted to be Debian developers end up in that state and as yet, nobody who plainly shouldn't have been in Debian seems to have got in, which is a good sign. Well, what about the people

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-23 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 11:14:46AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: er, we have a leader, and he has a delegate, the DAM. The DPL and the DAM are those who can change who the DAM is, through normal functions. Well, that's the theory, anyway... -- G. Branden Robinson|

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-23 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 10:19:20PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: I would much prefer the current system where the elected DPL has the absolute power over the delegates. Oh, is *that* what the current system is? I thought it was in actual fact quite different. ;-) (In fact, even in theory your

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Andreas Barth
* Jesus Climent ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030723 18:50]: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:45:54PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: That applies to data-files (or very similar things) like spamassasin. There should be in the README.Debian given a location for the backport by the maintainer. Spamassassin

Re: Closing cinelerra ITP [was: cleaning of the wnpp / RFP]

2003-07-23 Thread Matijs van Zuijlen
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 11:15:57AM -0400, Michael Furr wrote: Since several developers(and many users) have expressed interest in the video-editing program, cinelerra, I thought I would post here that I plan to close my ITP of it. I'm sorry to hear that. Will you still provide packages at

Re: Closing cinelerra ITP [was: cleaning of the wnpp / RFP]

2003-07-23 Thread Michael Furr
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 13:53, Matijs van Zuijlen wrote: I'm sorry to hear that. Will you still provide packages at http://userpages.umbc.edu/~fu1/debian? I will leave them there for the time being, but I don't plan on making any new changes. On a up note, Benoit Mortier [EMAIL PROTECTED] has

Re: Multi-level symlinks for default kernel

2003-07-23 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 07:48:33PM -0400, Morgon Kanter wrote: I am wondering if anyone else is having the same problems I am with debian keeping the vmlinuz symlink in /. I have several systems where /boot is the only filesystem accessable by the boot loader because of software raid,

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 07:30:39PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: But I want to emphasize that getting nearer a new stable release would be much better than discussion how to allow users to use updated applications in stable. Did I mention that I agree? Didn't I? No, I didn't. Well, I agree.

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-23 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 05:03:08PM -0600, Joel Baker wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 12:22:35PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: Where did this full speed expectation come from? Yes, it slows down the process a bit, but in general this is not a big problem. It comes from the people who

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-23 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 10:19:20PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: I would much prefer the current system where the elected DPL has the absolute power over the delegates. (In fact, even in theory your statement is incorrect, as a review of the

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 06:48:58PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 05:24:19PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: So you agree on having a bounce of personal archives on p.d.o rather than a way of getting them in stable trough oficial channels? If you use only stable

Re: update-alternatives in maintainer's scripts

2003-07-23 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 02:19:15PM +0200, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: I'd like to close bugs #38584, #181130. I just want to know how to call update-alternatives in maintainer's scripts. Should be only with 'configure' state for postinst and

SpamAssassin /etc cleanup (was: Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.)

2003-07-23 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 06:47:33PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: The package (1) does not deal with the logcheck mess that I am trying to solve. This problem [1] was reported a week ago isn't even fixed in unstable. Get it fixed in unstable and the fix will go into the backport. The

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