developers reference revisited

2004-10-07 Thread Andreas Barth
Hi, the developers reference was much updated in the last time. These updates include: - add chapter about i10n. - updated upload queues. - information on wnpp usage synced with wnpp. - document the restrictions to bugs and ftp-master hosts. - add information about dchroot. - add information

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2004-10-07 Thread Gianluca Della Vedova
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Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Thomas Bushnell BSG said: Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, the problem is that the procedure that we have is called backports.org, or private repositories. I agree that we also have a lack of an agreed upon maintenance strategy, but I respectfully

Re: installing TCP programs when RPC programs are running

2004-10-07 Thread Florian Weimer
* Loïc Minier: The best option would be for RPC services to ue a port pool, not overlapping standard ports, but this might be impossible. I think the best option would be to allow the system administrator to statically allocate the ports used by RPC programs. This would help packet filters,

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This archive (as-yet-to-be-named.debian.{org,net}) is intended for packages that must, because of the nature of the modern internet, change more rapidly than the standard release policy allows. This archive is definitely _not_ the security archive, as

Re: spam checking and CPU time

2004-10-07 Thread Brian May
Jesus == Jesus Climent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus In such case 2.64 will become obsolete even faster than Jesus 2.20 did in woody, since it is obsoleted by 3.x. Having Jesus 2.64 which is only worth having for the bayessian methods Jesus is brainless since we have other

Re: Re: Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread Jeff Teunissen
(Note: I'm not subscribed to -devel, only -private and d-d-a, so please Cc me on replies -- this text is copied from the web archives, which is the reason the references are gone) Steve Greenland wrote: On 06-Oct-04, 06:41 (CDT), Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And developers writing

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread Miles Bader
Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So do we. The names for GNUstep-based programs ARE unique -- no other free software is using (or, to my knowledge, has ever used) those names, and the names that conflict are named as they are for descriptiveness and for compatibility (Terminal,

Re: Re: Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread Petri Latvala
On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 09:20, Jeff Teunissen wrote: On 06-Oct-04, 06:41 (CDT), Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And developers writing with GNUstep recognize the same thing. The difference is that we *have* to give enough information about an app using only two pieces of

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 09:42:30AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: I'm not saying we must do it at all. I'm saying that security is the responsibility of the security team, and not debian-devel. Having not heard from the security team what they think, and this apparent reluctance to

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Duncan Findlay | On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 06:43:47PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | * martin f krafft | | | What do you think? | | API changed generally means you bump soname. Why not for SA as well. | | Also, SA3 is useless, as it eats about half a gig of RAM on my | system.

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Sven Mueller | Well, perl modules don't have an SO name. : [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/lib apt-cache show libvideo-capture-v4l-perl| grep ^Depends Depends: perlapi-5.8.3, perl (= 5.8.3-2), libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-4) Seems like perl provides an API that the module depends on, no? | And actually, the

Re: spam checking and CPU time

2004-10-07 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.07.0049 +0200]: dspam doesn't appear to be in Debian sarge. Not sure about sid, my Internet connection is down at the moment. Nope, but ITP'd. Brian, I am impressed you sent this email over a downed Internet connection! ;^ I have had problems

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread Jeff Teunissen
Petri Latvala wrote: [fixing attributions] On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 09:20, Jeff Teunissen wrote: [Steve Greenland wrote:] On 06-Oct-04, 06:41 (CDT), Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And developers writing with GNUstep recognize the same thing. The difference is that we *have*

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Brian Kimball
On Wednesday 06 October 2004 04:12 pm, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: For example, a new set of virus definitions, we are told, may include a new library and a new strategy for catching viruses. Makes sense to me. But when you add that, are you just going to add in the latest upstream version

Re: Redirections and noclobber

2004-10-07 Thread Frank Küster
Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 05:02:00PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: but I see no reason, neither in Policy nor in common sense, why root shouldn't use it. On the other hand, this usage of mktemp has been the result of discussions on [EMAIL PROTECTED], and

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread Frank Küster
Tilo Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 04 October 2004 20:23, Frank Küster wrote: I must have missed this thread... What is .bundle meant to indicate? On NeXT-Step systems the .bundle suffix of a directory indicates a dynamically linkable module (basically like a shared lib).

Re: installing TCP programs when RPC programs are running

2004-10-07 Thread Loïc Minier
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Thu, Oct 07, 2004: I think the best option would be to allow the system administrator to statically allocate the ports used by RPC programs. This would help packet filters, too. While I see the benefit of your suggestion, for packet filters, I don't see

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 06:03:18PM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: (And my home server is a AMD K6-II 450, with 192MB RAM, not bad for my own amount of daily mail) Perhaps you simply need to tune the -m option. Spamassassin has switched to a preforking model (similar to apache) rather than a

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Adam D. Barratt
Duncan Findlay wrote, Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:03 PM On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 10:51:46PM +0200, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote: [...] And, BTW, since version 2.64 we have: - Rules backported from 3.0.0 So though SA3 can make other things better (bayesian and so), SA2 is not so

Terminal - a good terminal?

2004-10-07 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Jeff Teunissen [Thu, Oct 07 2004, 02:20:31AM]: If we are going to allow generic names, then obviously they would be applied to the most commonly used or best for the novice example, so I'm pretty sure that GNUstep apps aren't going to get them. On one of those counts,

Re: Redirections and noclobber

2004-10-07 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 10:18:09AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 05:02:00PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: but I see no reason, neither in Policy nor in common sense, why root shouldn't use it. On the other hand, this usage of

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 06:29:38PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: Eh. spamassassin has had a long-standing, well-known API, and suddenly changes it. It is _SA_ which broke this, not the other applications. SA has had a long-standing, well-known API in the many packages which went to

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 08:46:04PM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: Well, I'm not at all convinced this is so good. Didn't the RMs say something about 'no major new upstream releases', in order to be able to ship sarge this year? 2.64-1 is in testing. since sa3 has RCs, it will not get

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread Tilo Schwarz
On Thursday 07 October 2004 10:09, Frank Küster wrote: Tilo Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 04 October 2004 20:23, Frank Küster wrote: I must have missed this thread... What is .bundle meant to indicate? On NeXT-Step systems the .bundle suffix of a directory indicates a

Re: spam checking and CPU time

2004-10-07 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi martin! You wrote: I have had problems with crm114 being resource intensive. In fact, I have had to disable it, postfix was timing out on deliveries... e.g. checking /usr/share/doc/spamassassin/examples/sample-nonspam.txt.gz took approx 3 minutes. The result? SPAM. crm114 is not

Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread Frank Küster
Tilo Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 07 October 2004 10:09, Frank Küster wrote: Tilo Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 04 October 2004 20:23, Frank Küster wrote: I must have missed this thread... What is .bundle meant to indicate? On NeXT-Step systems the .bundle

Bug#275306: ITP: gnome-u2ps -- Tool to convert UTF-8 text to PostScript

2004-10-07 Thread Sergio Talens-Oliag
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: gnome-u2ps Version : 0.0.4 Upstream Author : Yukihiro Nakai [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://bonobo.gnome.gr.jp/~nakai/u2ps/ * License : GPL Description : Tool to convert UTF-8 text to PostScript Gnome

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 11:08:55AM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: And I have been running it ever since beta1 in a 512GB PII-350 and my mail has ^ That might explain why you haven't been seeing any problems ;-) /* Steinar */ -- Homepage:

Freischaltung - Newsletter

2004-10-07 Thread Erotik Gewinnspiel
Hallo , wir haben Ihre eMail-Adresse erneut in unseren Newsletterverteiler importiert. Bitte bestätigen Sie Ihr Abonnement noch durch anklicken des nachfolgenden Links: http://www.newsabo.net/newsletter/[EMAIL PROTECTED]ch=6c3233c39b36 Sollte Sie keine weitere Interesse

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.07.1252 +0200]: And I have been running it ever since beta1 in a 512GB PII-350 and my mail has That might explain why you haven't been seeing any problems ;-) I didn't think the x86 architecture can handle 512 Gb of RAM. --

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 04:12:48PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: In other words, are your upgrades going to be install the latest upstream, or are they going to be fetch the relevant new things from upstream and put them in the old thing? I agree completely that the latter is more work,

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Andreas Barth
* Jesus Climent ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041007 13:10]: On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 04:12:48PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: In other words, are your upgrades going to be install the latest upstream, or are they going to be fetch the relevant new things from upstream and put them in the old

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:41:13AM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: If you feel AV scanners, IDS and similar software is not as up-to-date as it should be then, by all means, help making release cycles shorter [3] Maybe shorter cycles of 10K+ packages are not possible. Or even

Re: spam checking and CPU time

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 10:09:14AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: Nope, but ITP'd. And Rob promissed a version of dspam after debconf4 (well, i promissed many other things, but reality bites) I have had problems with crm114 being resource intensive. In fact, I have had to disable it,

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Jesus Climent [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.07.1319 +0200]: Again, i have the strong feeling that to produce shorter release cycles we need a core system to take intensive care of. ubuntu? /me ducks -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f.

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:37:19AM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: I'm not really sure what you mean by rules backported from 3.0.0. Unfortunately, rules are fairly linked to releases. The above was a /direct/ quote from the 2.64-1 changelog: spamassassin (2.64-1) unstable; urgency=high

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 12:52:15PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 11:08:55AM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: And I have been running it ever since beta1 in a 512GB PII-350 ^ That might explain why you haven't

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 07, Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This policy is even not ok for a normal major debian upgrade. We have exim and exim4, we have inn and inn2 for exactly that reason, and we should also provide spamassassin and spamassassin3. This doesn't mean that inn supports just about every

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 07, Jesus Climent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, i have the strong feeling that to produce shorter release cycles we need a core system to take intensive care of. Looks like the Ubuntu people are going to do this, and do it well. -- ciao, | Marco | [8404 omm/6rqm1mkGQ] signature.asc

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 01:16:30PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: It is my point of view that with volatile in place, the policy for allowing updates on such repository could introduce things which break other apps. This policy is even not ok for a normal major debian upgrade. We have exim

Re: installing TCP programs when RPC programs are running

2004-10-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 01:31:24AM +0200, Lo?c Minier wrote: This causes random errors -- like on my system -- when a RPC service is already listening and you install a program which should listen on a standard port. I see no obvious solution to this: - you can't know in advance which

Re: installing TCP programs when RPC programs are running

2004-10-07 Thread Loïc Minier
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Thu, Oct 07, 2004: Yes, sunrpc sucks. It's wanton consumption of address space is just one of many ways in which it makes the life of a sysadmin miserable. The proper approach would have been for sunrpc to carve out a few ports exclusively for its own use,

Re: Terminal - a good terminal?

2004-10-07 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 10:30:43AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: PS: I should create a big x-terminal-emulator survey/shootout. Maybe this will help you out: http://lwn.net/Articles/88161/ /me notices that GNUStep's terminal is not listed there... Regards Javier signature.asc Description:

Re: installing TCP programs when RPC programs are running

2004-10-07 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 02:08:18PM +0200, Loïc Minier wrote: This could be documented in a note with low priority when one installs portmap for example? I'd like admins to have a chance to read they can expect port usage collisions. Not all ONCRPC programs have this problem: it's

Re: installing TCP programs when RPC programs are running

2004-10-07 Thread Loïc Minier
Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Thu, Oct 07, 2004: This could be documented in a note with low priority when one installs portmap for example? I'd like admins to have a chance to read they can expect port usage collisions. Not all ONCRPC programs have this problem: it's perfectly

Re: Package names don't matter too much [was ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep]

2004-10-07 Thread Tilo Schwarz
On Thursday 07 October 2004 11:46, Frank Küster wrote: Tilo Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 07 October 2004 10:09, Frank Küster wrote: Tilo Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 04 October 2004 20:23, Frank Küster wrote: I must have missed this thread... What is

Re: Terminal - a good terminal?

2004-10-07 Thread Jeff Teunissen
Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Jeff Teunissen [Thu, Oct 07 2004, 02:20:31AM]: If we are going to allow generic names, then obviously they would be applied to the most commonly used or best for the novice example, so I'm pretty sure that GNUstep apps aren't going to get them.

RFC: best practice creating database

2004-10-07 Thread Philipp Matthias Hahn
Hello! What is consideres best practice when a package uses a SQL database (mysql, postgresql) and needs to create its own catalog and/or tables? [ ] Disable the package until someone has manually setup the database? [ ] Ask a lot of questions via debconf and try to setup in postconf? I ask

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread paddy
Hi, I admin a small system with mailscanner, spamassassin, clamav, etc. I would dearly like to move the system as a whole to a debian sarge base, and will likely do so, regardless of the outcome of this debate/process. The outcome _will_ impact how I admin it in future. On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 04:11:26PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: Sorry, but the basic problem I'm speaking about has nothing to do with volatile - but just that requiring substancially more memory might be a bad idea. We still have inn1 and inn2 parallel (and I'm a happy user of inn1), for

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 04:17:23PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: That's silly. Maybe 2.x is obsolete but it catches about 90% of my spam. Which still leaves 20 or so per day in my inbox. But I'd be very pissed if upgrading my PII-233 with 128MB of RAM installs a program which just can't

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias
El jue, 07-10-2004 a las 09:52 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen escribi: * Duncan Findlay | On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 06:43:47PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | * martin f krafft | | | What do you think? | | API changed generally means you bump soname. Why not for SA as well. | |

Re: RFC: best practice creating database

2004-10-07 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Philipp Matthias Hahn wrote: What is consideres best practice when a package uses a SQL database (mysql, postgresql) and needs to create its own catalog and/or tables? I say, create the tables when the package starts for the first time. As an analogy, programs using Berkeley-type databases

Re: Package names don't matter too much

2004-10-07 Thread Frank Küster
Tilo Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a techical point of view a package name is a key to identify a package. This key can be fed to various tools (like dpkg, BTS, apt-cache, ...) to perform some action. Don't forget google, mailing list archives, or other search engines. Now with

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Re: RFC: best practice creating database

2004-10-07 Thread Uwe Steinmann
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 03:38:59PM +0200, Philipp Matthias Hahn wrote: Hello! What is consideres best practice when a package uses a SQL database (mysql, postgresql) and needs to create its own catalog and/or tables? [ ] Disable the package until someone has manually setup the database? [

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Brian Kimball [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who wants to install Spamassassin-more-than-2-but-not-quite-3? Snort-more-than-2.2-but-not-yet-2.3? This will just confuse your users and piss off upstream. Can you explain why ssh shouldn't be upgraded the same way?

Re: Terminal - a good terminal?

2004-10-07 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Jeff Teunissen [Thu, Oct 07 2004, 09:10:56AM]: On one of those counts, many GNUstep-using apps often win over their competition. e.g. Terminal is a _very_ nice terminal emulator with excellent compatibility (it does UTF-8 well, and emulates the Linux console

Bug#275371: ITP: bandersnatch -- Bandersnatch is a complete logging system for jabber conversations with database backend

2004-10-07 Thread Polkan Garcia
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: bandersnatch Version : 0.2.1 Upstream Author : David Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.funkypenguin.co.za/files/ * License : GPL Description : Bandersnatch is a complete logging system for jabber

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:30:16AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Brian Kimball [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who wants to install Spamassassin-more-than-2-but-not-quite-3? Snort-more-than-2.2-but-not-yet-2.3? This will just confuse your users and piss off upstream. Can you explain

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Jesus Climent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because ssh-from-woody-plus-security-updates is not as useless as spamassassin-from-woody-which-has-changed-so-much-that-is-impossible-to-backport-anything? It seems to me that impossible is being used in a strange sense here. Part of maintaining a

Re: Terminal - a good terminal?

2004-10-07 Thread Thomas Dickey
Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #include hallo.h * Jeff Teunissen [Thu, Oct 07 2004, 02:20:31AM]: If we are going to allow generic names, then obviously they would be applied to the most commonly used or best for the novice example, so I'm pretty sure that GNUstep apps aren't going

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
[ do NOT reply to my mail, i am subscribed to the list ] On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 12:11:32PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: It seems to me that impossible is being used in a strange sense here. Well, backporting the bayes which was introduced in 2.5x does not sound like something you want

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread paddy
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 12:11:32PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Jesus Climent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because ssh-from-woody-plus-security-updates is not as useless as spamassassin-from-woody-which-has-changed-so-much-that-is-impossible-to-backport-anything? It seems to me that

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread paddy
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:35:38PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: [ do NOT reply to my mail, i am subscribed to the list ] On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 12:11:32PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: It seems to me that impossible is being used in a strange sense here. Well, backporting the

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Jesus Climent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, backporting the bayes which was introduced in 2.5x does not sound like something you want to do. I rather put 2.5x which is supported by upstream, not deprecated and has a bigger user-base and developer eyes on the code than 2.20. With all the

Suspicious reply from katie

2004-10-07 Thread Marcin Owsiany
- encryption support - sending SMs (using an external program such as sms-pl) - mail checking . Homepage: http://ekg2.org/ (new) ekg2_20041007+2000.orig.tar.gz optional net Changes: ekg2 (20041007+2000-1) experimental; urgency=low . * New snapshot from upstream. * Removed installation

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
[ What part of do no reply to my email but to the list, since i am subscribed you did not understand? ] On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 01:00:39PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Jesus Climent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But again, that might be just me. What you are saying should apply to any

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 08:59:22PM +0100, paddy wrote: How would one decide which features to backport, and which not? The ones that the maintainer of the package decides is the best for keeping the package which will update in stable usable, as long as the packages is created against stable,

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread paddy
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 10:26:40PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 08:59:22PM +0100, paddy wrote: How would one decide which features to backport, and which not? The ones that the maintainer of the package decides is the best for keeping the package which will update

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Jesus Climent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2.20 became useless because spammers reacted to most of the rules developed, since it did not have any learning engine. It needed new rules, new rules needed new functions in the core code (not just rules updates) and new functions needed new perl

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Will Lowe
Part of maintaining a virus scanner may well include backporting things, and that may be a fair bit of work to do. There are But that doesn't mean that stability has become less important, it At one point do we decide that the backport may have had a significant impact on stability? Say

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Will Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Say someone implements a significant new feature in spamassassin to handle a particularly virulent new kind of spam, and this new feature doubles the code size of the source. It's probably possible to rip that new code out of the upstream source and

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 01:54:11PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: This is an excellent argument for upgrading that part. It is no argument for including new command line features, hookins to other parts of the system, or other arbitrary features that might be added. It is an argument is

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 01:54:19PM -0700, Will Lowe wrote: Say someone implements a significant new feature in spamassassin to handle a particularly virulent new kind of spam, and this new feature doubles the code size of the source. It's probably possible to rip that new code out of the

Re: Minutes fo DebConf5 IRC meeting of 20041003 at 20:00 UTC

2004-10-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:57:38 +0200, Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Fluendo guys have a nice track record of providing high-quality media streaming of Free Software conferences using Free codecs, e.g. at GUADEC (GNOME conference) and AKademy (KDE conference). Maybe we could team up

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Jesus Climent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And no, is not impossible but IT WILL NEVER get to stable, since it is against the current stable policy. Do you want to change that policy? Start moving strings and contacting the involved parties to get such a change. Until the, no security backports

Re: PRINT EPSON STYLUS C82; bug #235522?

2004-10-07 Thread Roger Leigh
Bernd Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: May its its bug #235522? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=235522 I filled this bug report pretty much time ago and the maintainer doesn't seem to care. I tried to fix it myself, but even the cups newsgroup couldn't help me with it.

Bug#275404: ITP: vdr-plugin-osdteletext -- Teletext plugin for vdr

2004-10-07 Thread Thomas Schmidt
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: vdr-plugin-osdteletext Version : 0.3.2 Upstream Author : Marcel Wiesweg [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.wiesweg-online.de/linux/linux.html * License : GPL Description : Teletext plugin for vdr This

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread paddy
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 02:22:18PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: If you want something which is simply unrestricted, you have that now, no need for any changes to anything. I assume you mean use unstable? see below. Right, but why not just use unstable? I asked this question earlier,

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 01:24:57PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:37:19AM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: I'm not really sure what you mean by rules backported from 3.0.0. Unfortunately, rules are fairly linked to releases. The above was a /direct/ quote from

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 02:22:18PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: If you want something which is simply unrestricted, you have that now, no need for any changes to anything. I assume you mean use unstable? see below. No, you can simply use private

Re: developers reference revisited

2004-10-07 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 11:09:23PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: the developers reference was much updated in the last time. [...] If there are any issues or suggestions, please don't hesitate to speak to me. For example, why clutter debian-devel-announce with things like these? This is

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:52:40AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Duncan Findlay | On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 06:43:47PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | * martin f krafft | | | What do you think? | | API changed generally means you bump soname. Why not for SA as well. | |

Re: RFC: best practice creating database

2004-10-07 Thread sean finney
hi phillip, On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 03:38:59PM +0200, Philipp Matthias Hahn wrote: What is consideres best practice when a package uses a SQL database (mysql, postgresql) and needs to create its own catalog and/or tables? this is a very good question, which has not been conclusively answered

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread paddy
Thomas, On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 02:58:05PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 02:22:18PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: If you want something which is simply unrestricted, you have that now, no need for any changes to anything.

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-07 Thread Will Lowe
Programming is not a matter of ripping out code. Backporting requires actually understanding all the changes, not some kind of mechanical process. Ok, point taken. My argument is just that even if you backport the important features of a new release into an old codebase, it's hard to make

Re: developers reference revisited

2004-10-07 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Josip Rodin wrote: For example, why clutter debian-devel-announce with things like these? I for one don't have to time to be chasing down a million different comments on a million different lists and appreciate it when important information is made available in a central

Re: developers reference revisited

2004-10-07 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 06:51:55PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: I for one don't have to time to be chasing down a million different comments on a million different lists and appreciate it when important information is made available in a central location. AOL BTW, looking at my

ITP: cdplayer.app -- Small audio CD player for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread Gürkan Sengün
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: cdplayer.app Version : 0.4.0 Upstream Authors : Original Author: ACKyugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mainatiner: Andreas Heppel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Code Cleaning:

Re: ITP: cdplayer.app -- Small audio CD player for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread sean finney
i know this has been beaten to death, i really do. but i can't help it... On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 01:24:00AM +0100, Gürkan Sengün wrote: Description : cdplayer.app -- Small audio CD player for GNUstep then why not gnustep-cdplayer? you don't see the gnome people doing this with their

Re: developers reference revisited

2004-10-07 Thread Florian Weimer
* Josip Rodin: On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 11:09:23PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: the developers reference was much updated in the last time. [...] If there are any issues or suggestions, please don't hesitate to speak to me. For example, why clutter debian-devel-announce with things like

Re: spam checking and CPU time

2004-10-07 Thread Brian May
Jesus == Jesus Climent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: crm114 is not a spam filter. It's a classifier. You probably didn't train it right. It needs two weeks of attention before being useful. Actually, despite the bad result just recently, crm114 seemed to be pretty accurate (after

Re: ITP: cdplayer.app -- Small audio CD player for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread William Ballard
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:25:45PM -0400, sean finney wrote: i know this has been beaten to death, i really do. but i can't help it... On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 01:24:00AM +0100, Gürkan Sengün wrote: Description : cdplayer.app -- Small audio CD player for GNUstep then why not

Re: ITP: cdplayer.app -- Small audio CD player for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread Seo Sanghyeon
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:25:45PM -0400, sean finney wrote: i know this has been beaten to death, i really do. but i can't help it... On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 01:24:00AM +0100, G?rkan Seng?n wrote: Description : cdplayer.app -- Small audio CD player for GNUstep then why not

Package name for GNOME panel applets

2004-10-07 Thread Seo Sanghyeon
This was discussed before: http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2003/07/msg00176.html And see also Debian GNOME Packaging Policy: http://www.burtonini.com/computing/gnome-policy-20030502-1.html Quote: Panel Applets. TODO: Panel applets -- gnome-applet-foo or foo-applet or gnome-foo-applet?

Re: ITP: cdplayer.app -- Small audio CD player for GNUstep

2004-10-07 Thread sean finney
hi seo, On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 10:54:59AM +0900, Seo Sanghyeon wrote: Please rename planner to gnome-planner immediately. Please rename netspeed to gnome-netspeed immediately. i agree, though i am not the package maintainer :) in fact, somebody has already recommended this for netspeed in a

Accepted gtans 1.2-3 (i386 source)

2004-10-07 Thread Florian Ernst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:17:22 +0200 Source: gtans Binary: gtans Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.2-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Florian Ernst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Florian Ernst [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted slrn 0.9.8.1-1 (i386 source)

2004-10-07 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:20:34 +0200 Source: slrn Binary: slrn slrnpull Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.9.8.1-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Norbert Tretkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Norbert Tretkowski

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