[OT:HUMOR] Re: software

2004-10-11 Thread Adam Heath
On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, wrote: new software for the best price for you I am saying the same for my list Adobe Illustrator CS - 90.00 inkscape - 0.00 Adobe Acrobat 6.0 Professional - 100.00 xpdf - 0.00 McAfee Personal Firewall Plus 2004 v. 5.0 - 20.00 Why? Adobe Photoshop Elements 2.0 -

Re: [OT:HUMOR] Re: software

2004-10-11 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 11:37:06PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: Price for Commercial Software: Adobe Illustrator CS - 90.00 Adobe Acrobat 6.0 Professional - 100.00 McAfee Personal Firewall Plus 2004 v. 5.0 - 20.00 Adobe Photoshop Elements 2.0 -

Re: J?rg Schilling is damage; the community should route around him

2004-10-11 Thread Sean Harshbarger
Original Message Subject: Re: J?rg Schilling is damage; the community should route around him Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:45:22 -0400 From: Sean Harshbarger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve

Re: Common set of debconf templates

2004-10-11 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Marc Haber ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Do we have infrastructure to handle different answers for the same question? Maybe I'd like to have a different dbadmin password on my postgresql database than on mysql? Yes, we have it through the REGISTER command in the debconf protocol (see man

Re: PROPOSAL: debian-mozilla@lists.debian.org

2004-10-11 Thread Jesus Climent
On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 10:51:21PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: I think that creating a such list is a very good idea. Currently the only way to contact mozilla package's maintainers is to do an apt-cache search mozilla and grep for the email adresses. FYI there is currently Or send a

RFA: quik -- Bootloader for PowerMac or CHRP systems

2004-10-11 Thread Jens Schmalzing
Package: wnpp Severity: normal Hi, I intend to orphan the PowerPC bootloader quik. I haven't used it myself for a long time, and don't feel like spending the time and effort needed for getting it in shape again. Apart from the two important bugs already in the bts, quik lacks the capability of

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Frank Küster
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: also sprach Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.08.2029 +0200]: Is looking up .org domains in the wrong whois server enough to be considered useless? I found it rather useless in woody when the .org registrar changed. I'd say it is a bug in

Re: RFD: Draft for a volatile.d.o policy

2004-10-11 Thread Frank Küster
Sven Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: == Draft for a volatile.debian.org packaging and update policy. [...] Policy for v.d.o [...] - A new version uploaded to v.d.o should restrict itself to new code which is needed to

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Andreas Barth
* Florian Weimer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041010 16:40]: * Andreas Barth: - volatile is not just another place for backports, but should only contain changes to stable programs that are necessary to keep them functional; Can volatile receive critical updates which are usually not applied

Re: RFC: best practice creating database

2004-10-11 Thread Uwe Steinmann
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 08:02:22AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Stefan Hornburg wrote: First of all documentation. Definitely! I was about to write some, to at least have an overview of what commands are available. Unfortunately, I haven't found the time yet. Uwe --

Re: Automake dependency tracking

2004-10-11 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Wouter Verhelst wrote: Is there any other reason why we would still need to use automake's dependency tracking anyway? I don't think so. You may want to use it while working on the package, but it seems like a fine idea to turn it off when finalizing the package.

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-11 Thread George Danchev
On Sunday 10 October 2004 14:58, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 01:21:44PM +0200, Christian Surchi wrote: Il sab, 2004-10-09 alle 17:48, martin f krafft ha scritto: I think it's not a right comparison, nullmail is an MTA. and AFAIK, msmtp is not an MTA: it

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
Christoph Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: Henning Makholm in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Should volatile include updates of packages such as debian-keyring? debian-policy and developers-reference? Those who need these packages will run Sid anyway. I'd sincerely hope not. The fact that few

Re: [OT:HUMOR] Re: software

2004-10-11 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 11:37:06PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, wrote: McAfee Personal Firewall Plus 2004 v. 5.0 - 20.00 Why? If you really care there's clamav, also for 0.00. -- You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever.

Re: TG3 firmware report...

2004-10-11 Thread Florian Weimer
* Nathanael Nerode: Unless of course the firmware itself is GPL'd, and therefore no one can legally give it out without offering the source as well. It is GPLed. This is why it hasn't been put in non-free. :-P Until they do one of these two things, the firmware is not safe to distribute.

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Florian Weimer
* Andreas Barth: Can volatile receive critical updates which are usually not applied to stable because backports are not available for some reason? Are you speaking about mozilla? ;) Mozilla, GnuPG, and maybe even PHP 4, depending on sarge's lifetime. Other complex packages can easily enter

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i would like to see some policy, what, when and under which circumstances gets included to volatile.d.n. The most sensible policy would be a case by case consideration. Some packages can sanely have the desired features backported [1], and some can't

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I generally have to resort to backports or unstable when installing Debia= n=20 on recent hardware, because we don't update hardware drivers in stable. =20 Would the kernel and X be candidates for volatile? I think those are arguments for making

Re: TG3 firmware report...

2004-10-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Nathanael Nerode: Until they do one of these two things, the firmware is not safe to distribute. Of course it is safe to distribute. What do you fear? That Broadcom might sue you for distributing something that they have written and released

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread paddy
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:42:58AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I generally have to resort to backports or unstable when installing Debia= n=20 on recent hardware, because we don't update hardware drivers in stable. =20 Would the kernel and X

Re: Bug#275816: ITP: libfile-type-perl -- determine file type using magic

2004-10-11 Thread Hilko Bengen
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: File::Type uses magic numbers (typically at the start of a file) to determine the MIME type of that file. File::Type can use either a filename, or file contents, to determine the type of a file. (Another svk dependency.) Does its feature differ

Re: Common set of debconf templates

2004-10-11 Thread Brian Sutherland
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 07:36:40AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: SHARED TEMPLATES It's actually possible to have a template and a question that are shared among a set of packages. All the packages have to provide an identical copy of the template in their templates

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread paddy
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 05:51:48PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Hi all, we had some discussion about volatile, and I'm more and more considering to pick this task up. I think some issues are quite obvious: - packages should only go in in cooperation with the maintainers; - volatile is

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:42:58AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: I think those are arguments for making releases more quickly, rather than anything else. I'm not sure about that, graphics hardware, for example, is far faster moving than stable. And there are

Re: Bug#275816: ITP: libfile-type-perl -- determine file type using magic

2004-10-11 Thread Florian Weimer
* Hilko Bengen: Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: File::Type uses magic numbers (typically at the start of a file) to determine the MIME type of that file. File::Type can use either a filename, or file contents, to determine the type of a file. (Another svk dependency.) Does

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-11 Thread paddy
On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 02:50:35PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:59:39 +0100, paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 09:37:57AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: It will also happily write to /usr which is IMO a no-no for user binaries. Where should it write to ?

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-11 Thread paddy
On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 12:45:34PM -0400, Stephen Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Martin Schulze said: A while ago there was a discussion in which it was said that such tools are rather useless (or even dangerous) if they don't get their database updated in accordance with new

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Frank Küster
Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Christoph Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: Henning Makholm in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Should volatile include updates of packages such as debian-keyring? debian-policy and developers-reference? Those who need these packages will run Sid anyway. I'd

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread paddy
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 11:42:57AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:42:58AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: I think those are arguments for making releases more quickly, rather than anything else. I'm not sure about that, graphics

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread paddy
Andi, On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 05:51:48PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: - It should allow any administrator to just use volatile, as they just use security.d.o, and they should be confident that nothing is broken by that; It would be great to get some clarification of this. Regards, Paddy

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Andreas Barth
* paddy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041011 12:55]: On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 05:51:48PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: - volatile is not just another place for backports, but should only contain changes to stable programs that are necessary to keep them functional; I would like 'must' keep them

Re: Bug#275816: ITP: libfile-type-perl -- determine file type using magic

2004-10-11 Thread NOKUBI Takatsugu
At Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:47:25 +0200, Hilko Bengen wrote: Does its feature differ from File::MMagic (libfile-mmagic-perl)? It seems under different license. File::MMagic is The Apache License because it contains mime.magic database based on mod_mime_magic. -- NOKUBI Takatsugu E-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Bug#275816: ITP: libfile-type-perl -- determine file type using magic

2004-10-11 Thread Florian Weimer
* NOKUBI Takatsugu: At Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:47:25 +0200, Hilko Bengen wrote: Does its feature differ from File::MMagic (libfile-mmagic-perl)? It seems under different license. File::MMagic is The Apache License The code is under a BSD-style license with a documentation requirement which

Re: Smooth Debian Installer Experience

2004-10-11 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 01:13:34PM +0200, Tilo Schwarz wrote: On Saturday 09 October 2004 15:56, Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:48:27AM +0200, Tilo Schwarz wrote: Just one remark: When I was asked to enter a package server I would have liked to enter my local package

Re: TG3 firmware report...

2004-10-11 Thread sean finney
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 11:40:30AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: Of course it is safe to distribute. What do you fear? That Broadcom might sue you for distributing something that they have written and released under the GPL, and actually have a case? They might as well sue Debian because the

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread paddy
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 02:02:47PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * paddy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041011 12:55]: On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 05:51:48PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: - volatile is not just another place for backports, but should only contain changes to stable programs that are

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Andreas Barth
* paddy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041011 15:35]: On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 02:02:47PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Of course we need to reserve the right to drop packages - but, doing that would still be bad. Adding a package to volatile means for me that we are very confident that we can support

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread paddy
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 03:37:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * paddy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041011 15:35]: On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 02:02:47PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Of course we need to reserve the right to drop packages - but, doing that would still be bad. Adding a package to

Re: PROPOSAL: debian-mozilla@lists.debian.org

2004-10-11 Thread Johannes Rohr
Jesus Climent schrieb: On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 10:51:21PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: I think that creating a such list is a very good idea. Currently the only way to contact mozilla package's maintainers is to do an apt-cache search mozilla and grep for the email adresses. FYI there is

Re: gawk: Odd regexp matching problem if LANG=ja_JP

2004-10-11 Thread Tatsuya Kinoshita
On August 18, 2004 at 2:57PM +0900, miles (at lsi.nec.co.jp) wrote: Package: gawk Version: 1:3.1.4-1 Executing the following line in a shell: echo -e '--- orig/lisp/ChangeLog\n+++ mod/lisp/ChangeLog' | LANG=ja_JP gawk '/[Cc]hangeLog/ { print }' yields not the expected two lines of

Re: J?rg Schilling is damage; the community should route around him

2004-10-11 Thread Isaac Clerencia
On Monday 11 October 2004 07:46, Sean Harshbarger wrote: I already put the libburn package in unstable a couple months back in hopes that more people would adopt/help it out. The libburn team has been somewhat idle last month or so, and I think this is the type of poking they need to continue

ppp/ip-up vs. network/if-up

2004-10-11 Thread Joerg Sommer
Hi, why ppp provides its own mechanism of telling programs when the interface is coming up or down? Many programs register for the ppp mechanism, but not for the network mechanism. Where is the difference and why both isn't the same? Bye, Joerg. -- Real programmers don't comment their code.

Re: PROPOSAL: debian-mozilla@lists.debian.org (was: Transitioning to Mozilla Firefox 1.0PR)

2004-10-11 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Johannes Rohr [Fri, Oct 08 2004, 10:20:12AM]: I remarked that mozilla-firefox is built on hppa using gcc-3.2 (I [...] Dear all, due to the ever increasing number of mozilla-based packages I wonder if it would be a good thing to have a separate debian-mozilla

Re: TG3 firmware report...

2004-10-11 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 09:06 -0400, sean finney wrote: On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 11:40:30AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: Of course it is safe to distribute. What do you fear? That Broadcom might sue you for distributing something that they have written and released under the GPL, and

Re: [OT:HUMOR] Re: software

2004-10-11 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Price for Commercial Software: Cost: several hundreds dollar and vendor lock-in And even more if one wants legit copies. Membership has its privedleges! Which? No membership is required. -- Henning Makholm ... and that

Re: TG3 firmware report...

2004-10-11 Thread John Hasler
sean writes: they may have released it under the GPL, but there's a strong case for arguing that they're in violation of their own licensing terms for not providing the source code to the firmware blobs. if they were in fact in violation of said terms, debian could not legally distribute the

Re: gawk: Odd regexp matching problem if LANG=ja_JP

2004-10-11 Thread Fumitoshi UKAI
At Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:29:15 +0900 (JST), Tatsuya Kinoshita wrote: Package: gawk Version: 1:3.1.4-1 Executing the following line in a shell: echo -e '--- orig/lisp/ChangeLog\n+++ mod/lisp/ChangeLog' | LANG=ja_JP gawk '/[Cc]hangeLog/ { print }' yields not the expected two

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can volatile receive critical updates which are usually not applied to stable because backports are not available for some reason? Mozilla, GnuPG, and maybe even PHP 4, depending on sarge's lifetime. Other complex packages can easily enter this

kernel update takes out nvidia drivers

2004-10-11 Thread Carl B. Constantine
I just did an update on my system. it updated my kernel to a newer version of the same kernel. It also updated all the nvidia packages. But X no longer works. Even though the nvidia packages are installed, the drivers do not work, the kernel module doesn't load. So I tried running the

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-11 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMHO a MTA must be capable acts as a client and as a server to transfer messages between machines and is responsible for properly routing messages to their destination, e.g. RFC 974. msmtp does not do all of these, therefor it is not a MTA, and might

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Andreas Barth
* Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041011 18:30]: The goal should be that I, as a user, can add volatile to my sources.list and periodically do an apt-get upgrade - without risking to suddenly have my web browser updated to a new major release where it starts behaving differently, all my

Re: kernel update takes out nvidia drivers

2004-10-11 Thread Carl B. Constantine
* Carl B. Constantine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I just did an update on my system. it updated my kernel to a newer version of the same kernel. It also updated all the nvidia packages. But X no longer works. Even though the nvidia packages are installed, the drivers do not work, the kernel

Re: TG3 firmware report...

2004-10-11 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] they may have released it under the GPL, but there's a strong case for arguing that they're in violation of their own licensing terms for not providing the source code to the firmware blobs. The copyright holder cannot logically be in violation of his

Re: TG3 firmware report...

2004-10-11 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] they may have released it under the GPL, but there's a strong case for arguing that they're in violation of their own licensing terms for not providing the source code to the firmware blobs. The copyright

Re: Common set of debconf templates

2004-10-11 Thread Christian Perrier
SHARED TEMPLATES It's actually possible to have a template and a question that are shared among a set of packages. All the packages have to provide an identical copy of the template in their templates ^ files. This can be useful if

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread John Hasler
Henning Makholm writes: 1. Volatile is a means for *pushing* updates to stable installations, where such updates are necessary for *preserving* the utility of packages due to changes of the outside world. 2. Necessary for preserving the utility should be judged under the

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread paddy
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 05:06:21PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can volatile receive critical updates which are usually not applied to stable because backports are not available for some reason? Mozilla, GnuPG, and maybe even PHP 4, depending

Re: TG3 firmware report...

2004-10-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Matthew Garrett wrote: Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Nathanael Nerode: Until they do one of these two things, the firmware is not safe to distribute. Of course it is safe to distribute. What do you fear? That Broadcom might sue you for distributing something that they have

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread John Hasler
Andreas Barth writes: I could however see the possiblity to add a new package mozilla1.7, that users can optionally install. However, I also won't like it. I see no reason for new packages to ever go into volatile. Such things belong in backports. -- John Hasler

Re: PROPOSAL: debian-mozilla@lists.debian.org

2004-10-11 Thread Johannes Rohr
Eduard Bloch schrieb: [...] Dear all, due to the ever increasing number of mozilla-based packages I wonder if it would be a good thing to have a separate debian-mozilla mailing list. Personally I have big difficulties understanding the hacked way What is wrong with an Alioth project, say

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Andreas Barth
* John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041011 19:55]: Andreas Barth writes: I could however see the possiblity to add a new package mozilla1.7, that users can optionally install. However, I also won't like it. I see no reason for new packages to ever go into volatile. Such things belong in

Re: TG3 firmware report...

2004-10-11 Thread John Hasler
Thomas writes: In cases like this one, what has happened is that the copyright holder has simply failed to make legal distribution possible, by saying you must distribute complete source and then failing to provide it. He has provided what he claims is source. If he sues me for redistributing

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-11 Thread George Danchev
On Monday 11 October 2004 19:18, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMHO a MTA must be capable acts as a client and as a server to transfer messages between machines and is responsible for properly routing messages to their destination, e.g. RFC 974. msmtp

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] I could however see the possiblity to add a new package mozilla1.7, that users can optionally install. However, I also won't like it. Me neither. For example, if I was already using somebody else's backport of mozilla1.7, I wouldn't like it if

Re: TG3 firmware report...

2004-10-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you mean by legally? Copyright infringement is a tort, and there is no way they could win an infringement lawsuit against a distributor for failing to redistribute the source for the blobs when they did not supply it themselves and yet asserted

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread John Hasler
paddy writes: Whatever the solution is to the mozilla problem, there does at least appear to be consensus that there has been one. IMO Mozilla belongs in something like backports.debian.org. -- John Hasler

Re: ppp/ip-up vs. network/if-up

2004-10-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 11, Joerg Sommer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why ppp provides its own mechanism of telling programs when the interface is coming up or down? Many programs register for the ppp mechanism, but not for the network mechanism. Where is the difference and why both isn't Historical reasons? Also,

Re: TG3 firmware report...

2004-10-11 Thread John Hasler
Nathanael Nerode writes: To me, this means that Broadcom didn't know what the hell it was doing. I cannot divine Broadcom's actual intentions from that, and Broadcom can easily and convincingly claim that it intended something different from what you assume. The intent implied by publically

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-11 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 09:00:35PM +0300, George Danchev wrote: MTA is a software talking at least one Mail Transfer Protocol (like SMTP, UUCP, X.400 ...) My example, delivering mail via 'ssh mailhub /usr/sbin/sendmail', is an example of transporting mail. These Mail Transfer Agents are

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 05:06:21PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: A backport of a new Mozilla release is something vastly different from new rules for a spam filter, To be fair, the issue is that if were just rules, there wouldn't be a need. Why not? I

Re: RFA: quik -- Bootloader for PowerMac or CHRP systems

2004-10-11 Thread Kyle McMartin
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 08:34:57AM +0200, Jens Schmalzing wrote: X-Debbugs-CC: wouldn't kill people, would it? For reference, this is #275935. Regards, Kyle McMartin.

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-11 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Monday 11 October 2004 19:18, Henning Makholm wrote: The definition of mail-transport-agent is that it provides a /usr/sbin/sendmail that local software can use to submit emails for delivery to arbitrary addresses with some reasonable

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread paddy
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 01:13:40PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: paddy writes: Whatever the solution is to the mozilla problem, there does at least appear to be consensus that there has been one. IMO Mozilla belongs in something like backports.debian.org. It's certainly not in the category of

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Andreas Barth
* paddy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041011 21:00]: Happily, Andi appears open-minded, but focused on the hard work of doing the 'obviously right' things first. Well, I'm just waiting for maintainers to say: Yes, please include a more uptodate version of my package foo. Cheers, Andi --

Re: kernel update takes out nvidia drivers

2004-10-11 Thread Guglielmo Dapavo
Carl B. Constantine wrote: * Carl B. Constantine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I just did an update on my system. it updated my kernel to a newer version of the same kernel. It also updated all the nvidia packages. But X no longer works. Even though the nvidia packages are installed, the drivers

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-11 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 19:00, George Danchev wrote: Normally I wouldn't mention it but if you're going to pull people up on their grammar please at least get it right. :-) p.s. s/an MTA/a MTA Nope. An MTA, an SOS, a UPS. It's dependent on vowel /sounds/ rather than vowels. Adam

Re: TG3 firmware report...

2004-10-11 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas writes: In cases like this one, what has happened is that the copyright holder has simply failed to make legal distribution possible, by saying you must distribute complete source and then failing to provide it. He has provided what he claims

Re: [OT:HUMOR] Re: software

2004-10-11 Thread Matthew Dempsky
Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 11:37:06PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: Price for Commercial Software: Adobe Illustrator CS - 90.00 Adobe Acrobat 6.0 Professional - 100.00 McAfee Personal Firewall Plus 2004 v. 5.0 - 20.00 Adobe Photoshop Elements 2.0 - 40.00

Re: TG3 firmware report...

2004-10-11 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The intent implied by publically releasing a work under the GPL is well understood and widely known. I don't believe that they would stand any chance of getting an injunction, let alone damages. You cannot infer person A's intent in doing something

Re: Re: Terminal - a good terminal?

2004-10-11 Thread Jeff Teunissen
[ I'm not subbed to -devel, this was pulled from the archive -- please Cc me on replies ] Thomas Dickey wrote: Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Primitive? heh. And as for the rest, I haven't had trouble -- it's just an infocmp away. In any case, switching the emulation is trivial

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread paddy
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 07:22:15PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 05:06:21PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: A backport of a new Mozilla release is something vastly different from new rules for a spam filter, To be fair, the

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread paddy
Andi, On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 09:01:41PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * paddy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041011 21:00]: Happily, Andi appears open-minded, but focused on the hard work of doing the 'obviously right' things first. Well, I'm just waiting for maintainers to say: Yes, please

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-11 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, paddy said: On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 12:45:34PM -0400, Stephen Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Martin Schulze said: A while ago there was a discussion in which it was said that such tools are rather useless (or even dangerous) if they don't get their

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, John Hasler said: Henning Makholm writes: 1. Volatile is a means for *pushing* updates to stable installations, where such updates are necessary for *preserving* the utility of packages due to changes of the outside world. 2. Necessary for

Re: PearPC Section (contrib or main)

2004-10-11 Thread Guillem Jover
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 08:15:47PM +0200, Ramón Rey Vicente wrote: Leo Costela Antunes wrote: | PearPC does not need MacOS X or other non-free operating system to be | fully used, it can be used with Debian/PPC for example, so, does it need | to stay in contrib? And, whats about dosemu?

Bug#276057: ITP: mediawiki -- Wikipedia wiki engine

2004-10-11 Thread Evan Prodromou
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: mediawiki Version : 1.3.5 Upstream Author : Mediawiki developers [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Description : Wikipedia wiki engine MediaWiki is the wiki

Re: TG3 firmware report...

2004-10-11 Thread sean finney
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:47:26AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: What do you mean by legally? Copyright infringement is a tort, and there is no way they could win an infringement lawsuit against a distributor for failing to redistribute the source for the blobs when they did not supply it

Bug#276068: ITP: kftpgrabber -- A KDE FTP client

2004-10-11 Thread Vince Tantardini
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: kftpgrabber Version : 0.4.0 Upstream Author : Jernej Kos [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://kftpgrabber.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Description : A KDE FTP client It supports SSL/TLS connections to

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-11 Thread George Danchev
On Monday 11 October 2004 21:30, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Monday 11 October 2004 19:18, Henning Makholm wrote: The definition of mail-transport-agent is that it provides a /usr/sbin/sendmail that local software can use to submit emails for

Proftpd 1.2.10 available in experimental

2004-10-11 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
Subject says all. Interested people can have a look on it and return feedback on BTS. I have no intention to release 1.2.10 in sarge at this time, anyway. -- Francesco P. Lovergine

Re: RFD: Draft for a volatile.d.o policy

2004-10-11 Thread Sven Mueller
Frank Küster [u] wrote on 10/10/2004 19:17: Sven Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: == Draft for a volatile.debian.org packaging and update policy. [...] Policy for v.d.o [...] - A new version uploaded to v.d.o should

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Sven Mueller
Henning Makholm [u] wrote on 11/10/2004 19:48: Scripsit Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] I could however see the possiblity to add a new package mozilla1.7, that users can optionally install. However, I also won't like it. Me neither. For example, if I was already using somebody else's

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-11 Thread Sven Mueller
Henning Makholm [u] wrote on 11/10/2004 20:22: [volatile.debian.org] Security fixes should be handled by security.d.o. Perhaps yes, perhaps no. At least it should follow two rules: 1) If not handled by security.d.o, it should at least be handled in close cooperation with security.d.o 2) It has

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 09:00:35PM +0300, George Danchev wrote: On Monday 11 October 2004 19:18, Henning Makholm wrote: That is up to the system administrator to arrange. If it provides a Satifying package's Depends: is in the domain of packaging system handlers. Ever seen a debian/control

Bug#276085: ITP: mpfr -- C library for multiple-precision floating-point computations with exact rounding

2004-10-11 Thread Steve M. Robbins
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: mpfr Version : 2.0.3 Upstream Author : [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.mpfr.org * License : LGPL Description : C library for multiple-precision floating-point computations with exact rounding The

Re: TG3 firmware report...

2004-10-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this case, one would be well advised to obtain an explicit waiver on the point, rather than to rely on such. Regardless, the question is irrelevant to Debian, because we require source. Debian does not require source for non-free. The

Re: RFD: Draft for a volatile.d.o policy

2004-10-11 Thread John Hasler
Sven Mueller writes: Say a new open source network security scanner enters the world, and it works well when compiled against Debian stable, we might want to add it to v.d.o even though it wasn't available when the last stable distribution was released. Or a new version of clamav is released,

Re: Automake dependency tracking

2004-10-11 Thread Eric Dorland
* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi, Recent versions of automake add an option --disable-dependency-tracking to the generated configure script. If you don't use that option, the generated Makefile will wrap all calls to the compiler in a call to 'depcomp', which will generate a

Re: PROPOSAL: debian-mozilla@lists.debian.org (was: Transitioning to Mozilla Firefox 1.0PR)

2004-10-11 Thread Eric Dorland
* Johannes Rohr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [Cc and reply-to debian-devel] Am 2004.10.08 06:49 schrieb(en) Mike Hommey: On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 12:24:07AM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: I remarked that mozilla-firefox is built on hppa using gcc-3.2 (I [...] Dear all, due to the ever

Accepted libtest-differences-perl 0.47-2 (all source)

2004-10-11 Thread Jay Bonci
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:44:50 -0400 Source: libtest-differences-perl Binary: libtest-differences-perl Architecture: source all Version: 0.47-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jay Bonci [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Jay

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