Re: setting umask globally

2005-06-17 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.06.17.0208 +0200]: And unless they know about the completely non-standard /etc/umask.conf, they'll still edit multiple files. True enough... unless files like /etc/profile include some magic code for umask (rather than the umask call itself),

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-17 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 06:18:06PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: iceme -- A graphical menu editor for IceWM [#227054] * Orphaned 520 days ago * Package orphaned 360 days ago. icepref -- Yet another configuration tool for IceWM [#227077] * Orphaned 520 days ago * Package

Re: setting umask globally

2005-06-17 Thread Christian Perrier
Filing a bug against login... (shadow maintainer hat on) bugger...:-) I was reading this thread and just told to self: dude, this will end up in a BR against shadow/login:-) So, to summarize, the rationale here is: don't set umask in the default login.defs and leave this to shells and/or

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Christian Perrier
day. Many of the false positives were from the same people, who could have removed their CBL listing easily. (If they didn't fix the Hmmm, IIRC I was among these ones and the reasons was the CBL listing all dynamic and non dynamic addresses from Free, one of the 2-3 major ISPs for DSL in

Re: setting umask globally

2005-06-17 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.06.17.0658 +0200]: So, to summarize, the rationale here is: don't set umask in the default login.defs and leave this to shells and/or pam_umask. Right? Yes. I have to keep some kind of explanation for the default login.defs file, this is

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Pascal Hakim
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 07:41 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Wouter Verhelst: What's painful about it? I wouldn't be surprised if it already increases load on lists.debian.org significantly. Not nearly as much as people who teergrub us. We can _really_ feel them. Cheers, Pasc --

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Pascal Hakim
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 10:45 +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's painful about it? It stops a lot of viruses and spam, with no false positives. What's the problem? No false positives seems a bit optimistic. One problem I've encountered in the

Reduce the amount of spam for @debian.org (Was: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please)

2005-06-17 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Santiago Vila] For example, we could use greylisting. Or we could reject messages that are known to come directly from trojanized windows machines acting as open proxies. Or even better, we could do both things. Or a completely different option. Here at the university the postmasters

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Ven 17 Juin 2005 01:42, Wouter Verhelst a crit : On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 03:09:47PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Le Jeu 16 Juin 2005 14:33, Santiago Vila a crit : Now that we have released sarge, I would like to ask debian-admin and the Project Leader to consider seriously doing

Re: Reduce the amount of spam for @debian.org (Was: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please)

2005-06-17 Thread Pascal Hakim
gmail.com used to do that to lists.debian.org. We deliver ~300,000 emails to gmail a day. It resulted in some deliveries timing out before they were even attempted; I'll let you imagine the rest. Cheers, Pasc On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 08:35 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Santiago Vila] For

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 04:26:36AM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 17:20 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: So, maybe it's time to revisit the weaknesses of the shlibs system, particularly as they apply to glibc. Scott James Remnant had done some poking in this area

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-17 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 08:07:34AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 04:26:36AM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 17:20 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: So, maybe it's time to revisit the weaknesses of the shlibs system, particularly as they apply to

Work-needing packages report for Jun 17, 2005

2005-06-17 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 208 (new: 24) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 100 (new: 13) Total number of packages

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Raphaël Hertzog
Hi Eric, Le jeudi 16 juin 2005 14:45 -0400, Eric Dorland a crit : I'm not trying to say it's non-free. It is free. What I'm trying to determine is if we should use the marks within Debian. If it's free, the project as a whole has already decided to be able to include it. For the rest, it's up

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 12:15:25AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 08:07:34AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 04:26:36AM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 17:20 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: So, maybe it's time to revisit

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Peter Samuelson
We explained you that your reasoning was ill-advised because DFSG stands for DF Software G and not DF Trademark G. What can I say more ? I think you'd best come up with a better line of argument. The S in DFSG does not stand for copyright, it stands for software. Software usually contains

Re: Questions on how to handle this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: httperf_0.8-3_i386.changes REJECTED]

2005-06-17 Thread Adam D. Barratt
Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote, on Friday, June 17, 2005 6:37 AM: Below I have included the text rejecting my httperf package. I am taking over as maintainer and uploaded a new version that also closed a couple of bugs and moved it from non-US to main. If linking with libssl is

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Miros/law Baran
17.06.2005 pisze Peter Samuelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I think you'd best come up with a better line of argument. The S in DFSG does not stand for copyright, it stands for software. Software usually contains copyrighted code, and sometimes it also contains trademarked names or images. You

Bug#314590: ITP: zopex3 -- open source web application server (X3 branch)

2005-06-17 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Debian Zope team [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: zope2.8 Version : 2.8.0 Upstream Author : Zope Community * URL : http://www.zope.org/ * License : ZPL 2.0 Description : open source web application server (2.8

Bug#314589: ITP: zope2.8 -- open source web application server (2.8 branch)

2005-06-17 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Debian Zope team [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: zope2.8 Version : 2.8.0 Upstream Author : Zope Community * URL : http://www.zope.org/ * License : ZPL 2.0 Description : open source web application server (2.8

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 17, Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spamhaus's rather irresponsible behavior in the past[*] hasn't left a happy impression; have they cleaned up their act lately? Looks like you are confusing it with some other DNSBL. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Miles Bader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: Spamhaus's rather irresponsible behavior in the past[*] hasn't left a happy impression; have they cleaned up their act lately? Looks like you are confusing it with some other DNSBL. Hmmm, looking thought old email I think you're right -- it was spamcop

Re: Bug#314590: ITP: zopex3 -- open source web application server (X3 branch)

2005-06-17 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 at 11:58 +0200, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Debian Zope team [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: zope2.8 Version : 2.8.0 Description : open source web application server (2.8 branch) Damn, I meant zopex3 and 3.0.0

Re: Bug#314590: ITP: zopex3 -- open source web application server (X3 branch)

2005-06-17 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 at 11:58 +0200, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Debian Zope team [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: zope2.8 Version : 2.8.0 Description : open source web application server

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-17 Thread Will Newton
On Friday 17 June 2005 07:04, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 06:18:06PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: iceme -- A graphical menu editor for IceWM [#227054] * Orphaned 520 days ago * Package orphaned 360 days ago. icepref -- Yet another configuration tool for

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-17 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 01:51:04PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: regarding prelink On Thursday 16 June 2005 08:18, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the points of the md5sum verification is to ensure that the binaries haven't been tampered with. If one can tamper with the

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-17 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Sven Mueller wrote: [2001/03/03 10:05] Markus Schoder has contributed finddupes.cpp, GPL'ed source code for a C++ based version ... It's only compilable in its current state with g++-2.95 (regarding compilers in Debian stable). There is a single error when compiling with

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Blars Blarson
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Hmmm, IIRC I was among these ones and the reasons was the CBL listing all dynamic and non dynamic addresses from Free, one of the 2-3 major ISPs for DSL in France. I think you are confusing CBL with another DNSbl. CBL only lists addresses that spam thier

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-17 Thread Will Newton
On Friday 17 June 2005 13:40, Andreas Tille wrote: It's only compilable in its current state with g++-2.95 (regarding compilers in Debian stable). There is a single error when compiling with g++-3.4 which I am unable to fix (as I don't know the STL at all). Thanks for investigating this.

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-17 Thread Sam Watkins
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 06:18:06PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: There are currently over 200 orphaned packages, many of which have been on WNPP for quite a long time and some with RC bugs. I intend to request the removal of a number of packages in three weeks unless a package has been

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 11:54:40AM +0200, Miros/law Baran wrote: 17.06.2005 pisze Peter Samuelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I think you'd best come up with a better line of argument. The S in DFSG does not stand for copyright, it stands for software. Software usually contains copyrighted

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-17 Thread Luca Bruno
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] scrisse: Martin Michlmayr wrote: gkdial -- PPP dial-up configuration and dialing tool [#287992] * Orphaned 164 days ago * 1 RC bugs. Does any graphical ppp frontend exist that can be used instead of this? Under gnome you can find gpppkill and gpppon,

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Donald J Bindner
I've only been skimming this thread, so I fear this may have been said. What about: 1) rebrand mozilla-firefox 2) create a permanent transition package with the firefox name that depends on it 3) use alternatives to provide /usr/bin/firefox The description of the transition package

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-17 Thread Will Newton
On Friday 17 June 2005 12:10, Sam Watkins wrote: some of these packages are useful and interesting, and I feel they should not be removed from unstable at least. perhaps they could be moved to a different section which is not necessarily stabilized for release.

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-17 Thread Benjamin Mesing
I use both of these and would like to adopt them. I will upload next week (via Anibal). I think they are no longer maintained upstream. Take a look at http://www.icewm.org/FAQ/IceWM-FAQ-11.html#tools4icewm for more modern and supported alternatives. Greetings Ben -- Please do not sent any

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Steve Greenland
On 17-Jun-05, 01:41 (CDT), Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the delay it creates. [...] but for our @debian.org addresses ... that sucks, I often rely on the fact that delivery is immediate on those. Then you don't understand how the internet and SMTP works. There is absolutely no

Re: Question regarding 'offensive' material

2005-06-17 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 15/06/2005 Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: Unfortunately people that are easily offended will always exist, even by simple human body parts displayed in a very abstract manner (more abstract than the pictures in any sexual education book). So we have to do something about it, because it's a given. I

Re: Ada in Debian, past, present and future. Request for Advocate.

2005-06-17 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Ludovic Brenta [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In July 2003, I adopted the package gnat and several other Ada packages. In November 2003, Matthias Klose sponsored my first few packages into Debian unstable. After I adopted all the orphaned packages I could, I created several new packages from

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 08:46:33PM -0700, Blars Blarson wrote: I recomed using spamhaus SBL-XBL, or at least CBL (which is included in SBL-XBL). I dont: http://www.paulgraham.com/spamhausblacklist.html -- Jesus Climent info:www.pumuki.org Unix

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Ven 17 Juin 2005 14:13, Steve Greenland a crit : On 17-Jun-05, 01:41 (CDT), Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the delay it creates. [...] but for our @debian.org addresses ... that sucks, I often rely on the fact that delivery is immediate on those. Then you don't understand

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Andreas Barth
* Pierre Habouzit ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050617 17:08]: Le Ven 17 Juin 2005 14:13, Steve Greenland a crit : On 17-Jun-05, 01:41 (CDT), Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the delay it creates. [...] but for our @debian.org addresses ... that sucks, I often rely on the fact that

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Xavier Roche
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Andreas Barth wrote: Come one. We're speaking on additional 5 minutes on the first connection. Greylist works quite well for me, and I really hope that we manage to deploy anti-spam-tools on Debian. AOLMe too./AOL See also some interesting tips here for Sendmail:

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-17 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 09:32 +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 12:15:25AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 08:07:34AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 04:26:36AM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 17:20

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Pierre Habouzit
I perfectly understand what SMTP is, and I perfectly *don't* understand why having a 30 minutes delay or even a 2 or 3 hours delay in some conditions is tolerable. Come one. We're speaking on additional 5 minutes on the first connection. Greylist works quite well for me, and I really hope

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Andreas Barth
* Pierre Habouzit ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050617 17:34]: I perfectly understand what SMTP is, and I perfectly *don't* understand why having a 30 minutes delay or even a 2 or 3 hours delay in some conditions is tolerable. Come one. We're speaking on additional 5 minutes on the first

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Santiago Vila
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Jesus Climent wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 08:46:33PM -0700, Blars Blarson wrote: I recomed using spamhaus SBL-XBL, or at least CBL (which is included in SBL-XBL). I dont: http://www.paulgraham.com/spamhausblacklist.html Selected paragraph from the article:

ITA: linux-wlan-ng initial version of 0.2.1-pre26

2005-06-17 Thread Victor Seva
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have made the linux-wlan-ng package for 0.2.1 [0] The modules for 2.6.8 and 2.6.11 is my next step. Can you take a look over it? I'm not sure if it is correct. [0] http://linuxmaniac.homeip.net/debian/ - -- Victor Seva Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Raphaël Hertzog
Le vendredi 17 juin 2005 14:09 +0100, Andrew Suffield a crit : You could also, as a courtesy to other readers, lay before us the stunningly obvious proof that a free software that elects to use trademarks automagically transmutates into non-free state. That would be the part where the

Re: Question regarding 'offensive' material

2005-06-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 04:25:43PM +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote: On 15/06/2005 Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: Unfortunately people that are easily offended will always exist, even by simple human body parts displayed in a very abstract manner (more abstract than the pictures in any sexual education

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 05:53:25PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: In fact, most of the effectiveness of SBL-XBL really comes from the CBL, as shown by the widely known statistics: http://www.sdsc.edu/~jeff/spam/Blacklists_Compared.html Statistics which list only hits, and not false positives or

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 06:08:36PM +0200, Rapha?l Hertzog wrote: Le vendredi 17 juin 2005 14:09 +0100, Andrew Suffield a crit : You could also, as a courtesy to other readers, lay before us the stunningly obvious proof that a free software that elects to use trademarks automagically

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-17 Thread John Hasler
Luca writes: Under gnome you can find gpppkill and gpppon, but they can't manage provider setting. Gpppon doesn't need to manage settings. It uses the same settings as pon/poff, which can be managed with pppconfig. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread John Hasler
Donald J Bindner writes: 2) create a permanent transition package with the firefox name that depends on it 3) use alternatives to provide /usr/bin/firefox Thereby attaching the name Firefox to something which is not pristine Mozilla code. This is exactly what it is being claimed we may not

Re: Question regarding 'offensive' material

2005-06-17 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 17/06/2005 Andrew Suffield wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 04:25:43PM +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote: On 15/06/2005 Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: Unfortunately people that are easily offended will always exist, even by simple human body parts displayed in a very abstract manner (more abstract

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Will Newton
On Friday 17 June 2005 17:08, Raphal Hertzog wrote: The Mozilla Foundation explicitely gave us that right (or at least they are ready to give us this right because they trust us). Of course the right is revocable ... but that doesn't matter. When they decide to stop granting us this right,

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:18:37 +0200, Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come one. We're speaking on additional 5 minutes on the first connection. Greylist works quite well for me, and I really hope that we manage to deploy anti-spam-tools on Debian. Just for the record: The default MTA in

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Santiago Vila
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 05:53:25PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: In fact, most of the effectiveness of SBL-XBL really comes from the CBL, as shown by the widely known statistics: http://www.sdsc.edu/~jeff/spam/Blacklists_Compared.html

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Eric Dorland
* Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 06:08:36PM +0200, Rapha?l Hertzog wrote: Le vendredi 17 juin 2005 14:09 +0100, Andrew Suffield a crit : You could also, as a courtesy to other readers, lay before us the stunningly obvious proof that a free software

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Eric Dorland
* Raphal Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi Eric, Le jeudi 16 juin 2005 14:45 -0400, Eric Dorland a crit : I'm not trying to say it's non-free. It is free. What I'm trying to determine is if we should use the marks within Debian. If it's free, the project as a whole has already

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-17 Thread Ian Murdock
On 6/16/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/16/05, Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: glibc. Shipping X.org and GNOME 2.10 adds value, since sarge doesn't ship them. Shipping glibc 2.6.5 vs. glibc 2.6.2 just adds incompatibilities. Speaking as someone with no Ubuntu

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-17 Thread Wouter van Heyst
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 01:55:57PM -0500, Ian Murdock wrote: snip I don't doubt there were changes, even some worthwhile changes, between the version of libc in sarge and the versions in hoary/breezy. My question is: Are the changes worth breaking compatibility? It's a cost/benefit thing.

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Jeremie Koenig
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 08:18:29AM -0500, Donald J Bindner wrote: 1) rebrand mozilla-firefox 2) create a permanent transition package with the firefox name that depends on it 3) use alternatives to provide /usr/bin/firefox The description of the transition package should briefly

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Florian Weimer
* Andreas Barth: First of all, E-Mail is no real time medium. It was never intended so. My users complain if it's not (soft) real-time, and rightly so For most users, it's more real-time than a fax transmission because both parties need not walk to the fax machine. Today, even an MX hop which

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Florian Weimer
* Santiago Vila: The CBL, in particular, is completely automated, it tries very hard to not list real mail servers, and you can remove yourself trivially. In fact, most of the effectiveness of SBL-XBL really comes from the CBL, as shown by the widely known statistics: Hmm, so greylist when

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Wouter van Heyst
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 11:07:33PM +0200, Jeremie Koenig wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 08:18:29AM -0500, Donald J Bindner wrote: 1) rebrand mozilla-firefox 2) create a permanent transition package with the firefox name that depends on it 3) use alternatives to provide

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-17 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/17/05, Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/16/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking as someone with no Ubuntu affiliation (and IANADD either), I think that statement is based on a somewhat shallow analysis of how glibc is handled. [...] I don't doubt there

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-17 Thread Florian Weimer
* Daniel Stone: Breezy (like current sid) is built against 2.3.5. Current sid on which platform? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-17 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 03:58:35AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: Hoary (like sarge) is built against 2.3.2. Breezy (like current sid) is built against 2.3.5. No, 2.3.5 is still in experimental. -- Daniel Jacobowitz CodeSourcery, LLC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 17, Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't doubt there were changes, even some worthwhile changes, between the version of libc in sarge and the versions in hoary/breezy. My question is: Are the changes worth breaking compatibility? It's a cost/benefit thing. And if they're

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-17 Thread Steve Greenland
On 17-Jun-05, 13:11 (CDT), Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:18:37 +0200, Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come one. We're speaking on additional 5 minutes on the first connection. Greylist works quite well for me, and I really hope that we manage to deploy

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Jeremie Koenig
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 11:10:34PM +0200, Wouter van Heyst wrote: 4) make the program's branding depend on argv[0]. Do trademarks only apply to binaries, or to source also? A running firefox will prominently display the trademarked bits in question, but hey, the source being open for

Re: Ada in Debian, past, present and future. Request for Advocate.

2005-06-17 Thread Matthias Klose
Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt writes: Ludovic Brenta [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In July 2003, I adopted the package gnat and several other Ada packages. In November 2003, Matthias Klose sponsored my first few packages into Debian unstable. After I adopted all the orphaned packages I could, I

Re: Question regarding 'offensive' material

2005-06-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 07:19:21PM +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote: On 17/06/2005 Andrew Suffield wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 04:25:43PM +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote: On 15/06/2005 Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: Unfortunately people that are easily offended will always exist, even by simple human

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-17 Thread Gervase Markham
John Hasler wrote: Alexander Sack writes: In general the part of the MoFo brand we are talking about is the product name (e.g. firefox, thunderbird, sunbird). From what I can recall now, it is used in the help menu, the about box, the package-name and the window title bar. I'm not convinced

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Gervase Markham
Eric Dorland wrote: * Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I was under the impression that downstreams could call the packages firefox as they had been blessed with official Debian penguin pee as long as they didn't then change them and it was only when they were modified that they

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Gervase Markham
Eric Dorland wrote: But I don't think it's good for our users for Debian to have rights that the user don't have. Debian already has rights that their users don't have, the most prominent among them being to label a Linux distribution as Debian (or official Debian, or whatever it is you guys

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 03:10:07PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: * Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 06:08:36PM +0200, Rapha?l Hertzog wrote: Le vendredi 17 juin 2005 14:09 +0100, Andrew Suffield a crit : You could also, as a courtesy to other readers, lay

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-17 Thread Sven Mueller
Rich Walker wrote on 16/06/2005 23:23: Sven Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin Michlmayr wrote on 16/06/2005 19:18: findimagedupes -- Finds visually similar or duplicate images [#218699] * Orphaned 590 days ago * Package orphaned 360 days ago. Though I probably can't adopt it (due

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-17 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 01:55:57PM -0500, Ian Murdock wrote: I don't doubt there were changes, even some worthwhile changes, between the version of libc in sarge and the versions in hoary/breezy. My question is: Are the changes worth breaking compatibility? It's a cost/benefit thing. And if

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-17 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/17/05, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Hasler wrote: Alexander Sack writes: In general the part of the MoFo brand we are talking about is the product name (e.g. firefox, thunderbird, sunbird). From what I can recall now, it is used in the help menu, the about box, the

Re: Question regarding 'offensive' material

2005-06-17 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/17/05, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you'll find that porn is the majority industry on the internet. The Internet is, to zeroth order, useful only for the same four things that interactive TV is well suited for: video games, gambling, pornography, and pornographic

Re: Questions on how to handle this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: httperf_0.8-3_i386.changes REJECTED]

2005-06-17 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 10:12:01AM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote, on Friday, June 17, 2005 6:37 AM: Below I have included the text rejecting my httperf package. I am taking over as maintainer and uploaded a new version that also closed a couple

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Eric Dorland wrote: Well I don't think DFSG #4 says the rename has to be easy, it just has to be possible. Yes. However, the last sentence in DFSG #4 only talks about renaming, not being forced to change content. Don Armstrong -- Build a fire for a man, an he'll be

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-17 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 12:57:13PM +0100, Will Newton wrote: On Friday 17 June 2005 07:04, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 06:18:06PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: iceme -- A graphical menu editor for IceWM [#227054] * Orphaned 520 days ago * Package orphaned

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Eric Dorland
* Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Eric Dorland wrote: Well I don't think DFSG #4 says the rename has to be easy, it just has to be possible. Yes. However, the last sentence in DFSG #4 only talks about renaming, not being forced to change content. Ummm,

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-17 Thread John Hasler
Gerv writes: If I label the car I've built as a Ford (even if it uses a lot of Ford parts), it infringes Ford's trademark. Not until you try to sell it. Ford Motor Company does not own the word 'Ford'. They merely have the exclusive right to sell automobiles (and related parts and services)

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-17 Thread John Hasler
Michael writes: Debian doesn't need such an arrangement, as I argued in a previous thread six months ago; there's the Coty v. Prestonettes standard and all that. But IMHO it would be advisable for both sides if such an arrangement were reached. Exactly. If Debian doesn't need such an

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Eric Dorland wrote: * Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: the last sentence in DFSG #4 only talks about renaming, not being forced to change content. If I change the name of my program, I also change all references to that name in program (if for no other reason,

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 07:47:43PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Eric Dorland wrote: * Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: the last sentence in DFSG #4 only talks about renaming, not being forced to change content. If I change the name of my program, I also

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Eric Dorland
* Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 03:10:07PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: * Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 06:08:36PM +0200, Rapha?l Hertzog wrote: Le vendredi 17 juin 2005 14:09 +0100, Andrew Suffield a crit :

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-17 Thread Eric Dorland
* Gervase Markham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Eric Dorland wrote: * Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I was under the impression that downstreams could call the packages firefox as they had been blessed with official Debian penguin pee as long as they didn't then change them and it was

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-17 Thread Eric Dorland
* John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Michael writes: Debian doesn't need such an arrangement, as I argued in a previous thread six months ago; there's the Coty v. Prestonettes standard and all that. But IMHO it would be advisable for both sides if such an arrangement were reached.

Accepted raster3d 2.7c-5 (i386 source all)

2005-06-17 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:53:59 -0300 Source: raster3d Binary: raster3d raster3d-doc Architecture: source i386 all Version: 2.7c-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Nelson A. de Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Nelson

Accepted xmms-singit 0.1.28-2 (i386 source)

2005-06-17 Thread Florian Ernst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:25:11 +0200 Source: xmms-singit Binary: xmms-singit Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.1.28-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Florian Ernst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Florian Ernst [EMAIL

Accepted heartbeat 1.2.3-10 (i386 source all)

2005-06-17 Thread Simon Horman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:17:03 +0900 Source: heartbeat Binary: libstonith-dev ldirectord libstonith0 heartbeat libpils-dev libpils0 stonith heartbeat-dev Architecture: source i386 all Version: 1.2.3-10 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low

Accepted xcruise 0.30-5 (i386 source)

2005-06-17 Thread Florian Ernst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:57:04 +0200 Source: xcruise Binary: xcruise Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.30-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Florian Ernst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Florian Ernst [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted mrxvt 0.4.1-3 (i386 source all)

2005-06-17 Thread Qingning Huo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:02:03 +0100 Source: mrxvt Binary: mrxvt mrxvt-common mrxvt-mini mrxvt-cjk Architecture: source i386 all Version: 0.4.1-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Qingning Huo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By:

Accepted fribidi 0.10.5-2 (i386 source)

2005-06-17 Thread Baruch Even
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:03:25 +0100 Source: fribidi Binary: libfribidi0-udeb libfribidi0 libfribidi-dev Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.10.5-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Baruch Even [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By:

Accepted i8kutils 1.27 (i386 source)

2005-06-17 Thread Massimo Dal Zotto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:26:26 +0200 Source: i8kutils Binary: i8kutils i8kutils-smm Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.27 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Massimo Dal Zotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Massimo Dal Zotto

Accepted screem 0.14.1-1 (i386 source)

2005-06-17 Thread Rob Bradford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:41:52 +0100 Source: screem Binary: screem Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.14.1-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Rob Bradford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Rob Bradford [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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