Le mar 18 juillet 2006 00:08, Magnus Holmgren a écrit :
On Monday 17 July 2006 23:41, Pierre Habouzit took the opportunity to
write:
Le lun 17 juillet 2006 19:53, Adrian von Bidder a écrit :
So the question is, imho, not if we should potentially lock out
users of big mail pools - those
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
Is an archive of those mails available somewhere? This way the small
patches will be available even for packages of people not subscribed to
the PTS. Or for people who subscribe after some version has been
uploaded to ubuntu.
There's only the
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On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 11:48:21PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Le lun 17 juillet 2006 22:29, Lionel Elie Mamane a écrit :
Here is one: I am strongly opposed to greylisting (on mail sent to
me or that I send), for the reason that it delays legitimate mail.
which shows that you didn't read
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 12:47:49AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lundi 17 juillet 2006 à 22:29 +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane a écrit :
On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 08:36:31AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
Quoting Wolfgang Lonien ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Do we use greylisting on the @debian.org
* Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-17 18:43]:
It's not uncommon for big sites to have pools of high throughput
machines that don't have qrunners, and larger pools of machines that do.
The first group gets a message, and tries to deliver immediately, and
any temporary failure gets the
Le mardi 18 juillet 2006 à 09:47 +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane a écrit :
That is the crux of the disagreement. You guys think that as long as
most of the legitimate mail is not delayed, the price is worth it. I
don't think so.
If too much spam gets through, *all* legitimate mail gets delayed. It
Le mar 18 juillet 2006 09:34, Lionel Elie Mamane a écrit :
This will still include legitimate mail.
something like 50 over 300k is less than 0.016%.
which is also really less than the usual number of false positives of
your bayesian mail filter. see end of mail.
and if you never actually
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 11:48:21PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Le lun 17 juillet 2006 22:29, Lionel Elie Mamane a écrit :
the discussion (...) was about enabling greylisting on *certain*
*specificaly* *suspicious* hosts. a suspicious
host is:
* either listed on some RBL's (rbl listing
* Lionel Elie Mamane [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-17 22:32]:
On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 08:36:31AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
So far and unless I forget someone, I haven't seen much other people
being strongly opposed to greylisting on Debian hosts,
Here is one: I am strongly opposed to
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 02:40:28PM -0400, Joe Smith wrote:
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
There is no such general solution. See
http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/wanna-build-states#not-for-us
That says:
However, wanna-build
Le mar 18 juillet 2006 10:00, Lionel Elie Mamane a écrit :
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 11:48:21PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Le lun 17 juillet 2006 22:29, Lionel Elie Mamane a écrit :
the discussion (...) was about enabling greylisting on *certain*
*specificaly* *suspicious* hosts. a
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 05:53:25AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
The buildd package could just be a central hub where two or three
knowlegable people sift through the bug reports and then distribute it
to the affected/responsible person.
Who
Le mar 18 juillet 2006 10:03, Pierre Habouzit a écrit :
Le mar 18 juillet 2006 10:00, Lionel Elie Mamane a écrit :
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 11:48:21PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Le lun 17 juillet 2006 22:29, Lionel Elie Mamane a écrit :
the discussion (...) was about enabling
(afaik, it's very obvious that I'm subscribed to -devel and, unless I'm
wrong, I never requeted for being CC'ed in private)
Lionel Elie Mamane a écrit :
Wrong. Disagreeing with you is not the same as not reading your
arguments. Sorry that you were not convincing.
I'm afraid you failed
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 10:03:59AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Le mar 18 juillet 2006 10:00, Lionel Elie Mamane a écrit :
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 11:48:21PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Le lun 17 juillet 2006 22:29, Lionel Elie Mamane a écrit :
the discussion (...) was about enabling
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 10:22:41AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
Lionel Elie Mamane a écrit :
Bingo: Legitimate mail slowed down. You think the price is worth
it, which is a valid opinion. I happen not to think so.
The question becomes: aren't you in a small minority?
That may very well
Hi,
On the 3rd May I built libxfce4util and generated
libxfce4util2_4.3.90.1-1_amd64.deb. This is in the archive exactly as I
built it. It has a couple of lintian failures that I missed and have since
been fixed in our SVN.
Upstream have released recently and whilst checking these packages
Le mar 18 juillet 2006 10:27, Lionel Elie Mamane a écrit :
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 10:03:59AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
it's the number of mails that are beeing resubmited per week with
my system. so in fact, in them, there is 49 spams.
Fascinating. Which RBL's do you use for that? Or
Then it would be OK to implement it. The very best would be to do the
same I do on my mail server, where users can individually choose
greylisting or not for personal mail to them, by a settings file in
their home directory. But if a strong majority wants greylisting, it
is OK to just do it
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Freddy Spierenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Package name: jpnevulator
Version : 1.2.2
Upstream Author : Freddy Spierenburg
* URL : http://jpnevulator.snarl.nl/
* License : GPL
Programming Lang: C
Description : Serial
Le mar 18 juillet 2006 11:51, Christian Perrier a écrit :
Then it would be OK to implement it. The very best would be to do
the same I do on my mail server, where users can individually
choose greylisting or not for personal mail to them, by a settings
file in their home directory. But if
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 10:39:18PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Changing keyword on all subscriptions
-
The control bot has been expanded to support new commands to add/remove
keyword on all subscriptions. People who are subscribed to packages with
the
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 09:56:22AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Two things:
- control files are part of the source. w-b would have to download and
unpack every source package to get that file.
Exactly.
- control files can be auto generated during build (e.g. glibc) and
might not
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 09:47:13AM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 12:47:49AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
* Exim sender/callout fails with a fatal error.
Fatal means not temporary?
Yes. It means exim did this to one of the MX hosts listed for the
domain:
(btw, why was there a Mail-Followup-To: d-d-a?)
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The maintainer can thus subscribe to this specific keyword and be informed
when Ubuntu introduces changes to their Debian package.
Is there any documentation about which keywords the address in the
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 06:59:41PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote:
Is an archive of those mails available somewhere? This way the small
patches will be available even for packages of people not subscribed to
the PTS. Or for people who subscribe after some version has been
uploaded to ubuntu.
also sprach Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.07.18.1157 +0200]:
Would it be possible to implement something like a 'keywordmaint'
command to set the keyword subscriptions for any current and future
packages maintained by a given maintainer?
The keywords are actually more a filter, so if
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 01:04:06PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.07.18.1157 +0200]:
command to set the keyword subscriptions for any current and future
packages maintained by a given maintainer?
The keywords are actually more a filter, so
Apart from the fact that the opinions seem to be set (and haven't really
changed since the last time the discussion came up IIRC, so we really can
stop arguing - nothing new for quite some time...): am I correct in my
observation that nobody who has participated in this discussion up to now
is
also sprach Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.07.18.1318 +0200]:
Each subscription subscribe you to a given (source) package. Keywords
are actually a filter, but filter notification for a given package.
No, you can have filters per email and filters per email/package
tuple to override
Le mar 18 juillet 2006 13:20, Adrian von Bidder a écrit :
Apart from the fact that the opinions seem to be set (and haven't
really changed since the last time the discussion came up IIRC, so we
really can stop arguing - nothing new for quite some time...): am I
correct in my observation that
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 01:36:47PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.07.18.1318 +0200]:
Each subscription subscribe you to a given (source) package. Keywords
are actually a filter, but filter notification for a given package.
No, you can
Dear Debian Developers,
I have a 512MB DataTraveller Flash
Disk. It is automounted under ubuntu but fails to automount under
debian. Has ubuntu patched things up to get this result? Can this not
be
achieved under debian?
There is no problem automounting other kinds to flash/thumb drivers!
Simon Huggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi,
On the 3rd May I built libxfce4util and generated
libxfce4util2_4.3.90.1-1_amd64.deb. This is in the archive exactly as I
built it. It has a couple of lintian failures that I missed and have since
been fixed in our SVN.
Upstream have released
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 09:56:22AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Two things:
- control files are part of the source. w-b would have to download and
unpack every source package to get that file.
Exactly.
- control files can be auto generated
Basanta Shrestha wrote:
Dear Debian Developers,
I have a 512MB DataTraveller Flash Disk. It is automounted under ubuntu
but fails to automount under debian. Has ubuntu patched things up to get
this result? Can this not be achieved under debian?
There is no problem automounting other
Le mercredi 19 juillet 2006 à 00:36 +0545, Basanta Shrestha a écrit :
Dear Debian Developers,
I have a 512MB DataTraveller Flash Disk. It is automounted under
ubuntu but fails to automount under debian. Has ubuntu patched things
up to get this result? Can this not be achieved under debian?
On Fri 30 Jun 2006, Martin Schulze wrote:
You know that you can easily turn off this feature by adjusting apt.conf:
Acquire::Pdiffs { false; };
Ah, great :)
After not having done aptitude update for a month or so, after
downloading all the hunderds (!) of diffs, I got the following
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Roberto Lumbreras [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Package name: axtls
Version : 1.01
Upstream Author : Cameron Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://www.axtls.co.nr/
* License : LGPL
Description : TLSv1 SSL library designed for
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Adam Borowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Package name: chameleon-cursor-theme [1]
Version : 0.5-1
Upstream Author : Giuseppe Benigno ebengio (at) gmail.com
* URL :
http://www.{gnome,kde,xfce[2]}-look.org/content/show.php?content=38459
also sprach Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.07.18.1452 +0200]:
If I'm wrong, could you please point me to where is documented where I
can subscribe to all packages with Maintainer: [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that
when I upload a new package to the archive I will be subscribed to it
Re: Wouter Verhelst 2006-07-18 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On the contrary people who want to have the derivatives keyword on all
their subscriptions can use one of those commands:
keywordall + derivatives
keywordall [EMAIL PROTECTED] + derivatives
This is so cool that I immediately went and did
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have refused greylisting for a long time for that exact reason.
However the setup Pierre Habouzit describes does not delay most of
legitimate mail. Frankly, the remaining delays are sporadic and one can
live with them.
What bothers me is that we
Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This one time, at band camp, Thomas Bushnell BSG said:
And finally, if we don't care about standards conformance, I have said
that a good second-best is to document exactly what our requirements
are, rather than burying them in apparent secrecy.
What
Adam Borowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Even worse, there's nothing preventing a site from saying it has a
temporary local problem when it _does_. Thus, if your mail server
can't handle retrying, it will drop mail every time something is not
in perfect working order. And hardware or network
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes:
On Jul 17, Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Still, if you think it's just nitpicking, then why not ask the IETF to
amend the standard to clearly permit this practice?
Because there is no reason to do this, this is not a standard issue but
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For the record (it was already said in the thread IIRC), the setup we
are discussing is in production on alioth since sth like 4 or 5 monthes
now (maybe a bit less) on my idea, and thanks to Raphael Hertzog for
actually using his alioth admin hat
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
If the anti-spam advocates consistently said our measures impose
such-and-such a cost, but we think it's worth it, I would be
delighted.
the measures impose a cost, but we think it's worth it
Can we get greylisting now?
--
Loïc Minier
On Jul 18, Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because there is no reason to do this, this is not a standard issue but
plain operations.
Really? So you think the IETF would happily issue a statement
agreeing?
Yes.
Of course, the facts are that the IETF regards graylisting as a
On Jul 18, Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, and this is not the point. The point is that the standard does
*not* say that the retry must come from the same place, or even
anything like the same place.
The point is that in the real world nobody cares that this is not
specified
Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
If the anti-spam advocates consistently said our measures impose
such-and-such a cost, but we think it's worth it, I would be
delighted.
the measures impose a cost, but we think it's worth it
Can you
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 10:39:18PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Hello everybody,
here are some news about the latest changes made to the Package Tracking
System.
New derivatives keyword
---
The PTS will be used to relay informations from derivative distributions.
On 7/18/06, Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 10:39:18PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Hello everybody,
here are some news about the latest changes made to the Package Tracking
System.
New derivatives keyword
---
The PTS will be used to
Le mar 18 juillet 2006 21:26, Thomas Bushnell BSG a écrit :
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For the record (it was already said in the thread IIRC), the setup
we are discussing is in production on alioth since sth like 4 or 5
monthes now (maybe a bit less) on my idea, and thanks
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 05:33:45PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote:
On 7/18/06, Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 10:39:18PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Hello everybody,
here are some news about the latest changes made to the Package Tracking
System.
New
Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So by default it is assumed that I should make Ubuntu's work and dig
into these patches to see if some pieces should be applied into Debian?
No thanks, I am getting tired of all those Debian developers who are
more interested in improving Ubuntu than
The NEW queue is down to *22* packages, which is totally unheard of.
Only three packages have been waiting longer than a month -- so
Javier's package is no longer in the 'endless wait' state.
At the same time, the RM bugs are in fairly good shape, and clearly
removals are also being processed
On 7/18/06, Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 05:33:45PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote:
On 7/18/06, Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 10:39:18PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Hello everybody,
here are some news about the latest
On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 16:57 -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
The NEW queue is down to *22* packages, which is totally unheard of.
Only three packages have been waiting longer than a month -- so
Javier's package is no longer in the 'endless wait' state.
Agreed, I've uploaded three new packages in
On 7/18/06, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The NEW queue is down to *22* packages, which is totally unheard of.
Only three packages have been waiting longer than a month -- so
Javier's package is no longer in the 'endless wait' state.
At the same time, the RM bugs are in fairly good
I have been criticized for not uploading the new lilypond packages and
being quite a bit behind the public releases. Unfortunately, the
current lilypond requires python 2.4, and expects to call it as
python, not just in the build process, but at run time.
I had been assuming that the python
One of the template NM questions is about how to minimize the
downtime of a daemon during package upgrade (in maintainer scripts).
ssh does an /etc/init.d/ssh restart in postinstall, which (with
luck) means that there will be *no* downtime. This doesn't seem to be
necessary for allowing ssh
This one time, at band camp, Thomas Bushnell BSG said:
Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
If the anti-spam advocates consistently said our measures impose
such-and-such a cost, but we think it's worth it, I would be
delighted.
the
There is a grave bug (#378346) filed against gnucash on alpha which
seems to be quite arch specific. Mail to the debian-alpha team for
assistance has not been answered (though I have been told that the
team is very small). Is there someone with access to an alpha that
will look at this bug, and
This one time, at band camp, Thomas Bushnell BSG said:
So the meaning of 4xx is temporary local problem. Sending that when
you don't have a temporary local problem is a violation, right there.
Must the standard repeat after every sentence, oh, and don't lie.
Actually, that's just the error
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