Mac Address in C

2007-06-04 Thread Fabrizio Gattuso
Salve a tutti, esiste una funzione di sistema che mi restituisca il MAC address?? -- Per REVOCARE l'iscrizione alla lista, inviare un email a [EMAIL PROTECTED] con oggetto unsubscribe. Per problemi inviare un email in INGLESE a [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Fwd: Mac Address in C

2007-06-04 Thread Andrea Ferraresi
scusate il repost ma ho mandato la mail a fabrizio in privato -- Forwarded message -- From: Andrea Ferraresi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4-giu-2007 22.06 Subject: Re: Mac Address in C To: Fabrizio Gattuso [EMAIL PROTECTED] tutte le informazioni della scheda vengono date dal comando

Re: Fwd: Mac Address in C

2007-06-04 Thread Fabrizio Gattuso
On 4 Giu, 22:10, Andrea Ferraresi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: scusate il repost ma ho mandato la mail a fabrizio in privato -- Forwarded message -- From: Andrea Ferraresi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4-giu-2007 22.06 Subject: Re: Mac Address in C To: Fabrizio Gattuso [EMAIL

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Thomas Weber
Hi, Am Montag, 4. Juni 2007 02:45:07 schrieb Wouter Verhelst: On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 05:09:57PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Wouter Verhelst wrote: What I was trying to show is that the relevance of a copyright case brought against you in a jurisdiction outside of your

Re: Is there a way to positively, uniquely identify which Debian release a program is running on?

2007-06-04 Thread Christian Perrier
Frankly, helping vendors of non-free software lies far below the ability to provide our users the option to do partial upgrades, apt-pinning, etc. If we are not going to impact the utility to the users; I am indifferent to adding things to help non-free software

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: I am not a specialist, but in France, private use of a work cannot be denied (as well as private copy, in some measure). Whether this applies only to countries following author rights doctrine instead of copyrights, I let it to someone more knowledgeable in this

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Thomas Weber wrote: No idea how it is called in Belgium, but it's the German part of a treaty from 1958 dealing precisely with that sort of thing. So, it seems extremely likely that if I win in Germany in a civil case, I can have this decision executed in Belgium. Additionally, you might

Re: What happened to popcon graphs?

2007-06-04 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 01:39:11 -0300 Martín Ferrari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/31/07, Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Anyone knows why the popcon graphs on: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=package are missing? This seems to explain the problem: br / bFatal error/b:

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: If I'm in the Netherlands and distribute CDDL software to a Belgian citizen while violating the CDDL, the copyright holder has to come to the Netherlands, choice-of-venue (mostly) notwithstanding. From the summary: If the parties, one or more

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Walter Landry
Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 12:28:04AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: You're required to give up something you might value and otherwise demand compensation for, certainly, but there needs to be something more

Re: Why not move Apt to a relational database

2007-06-04 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 22:45:52 +0200 sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 03 June 2007 21:30:26 Josselin Mouette wrote: Even if SQLite is more robust than Berkeley DB, I don't think you could recover anything from a corrupt database. Plain text will always turn out better in terms

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Thomas Weber
Am Montag, 4. Juni 2007 08:51:56 schrieb Arnoud Engelfriet: Thanks for finding an english text. Just see EC Regulation 44/2001: A judgment given in a Member State is to be recognised automatically, no special proceedings being necessary unless recognition is actually contested. A declaration

Re: Improving dependencies on shared libraries

2007-06-04 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 01:30:39PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 12:37:08PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 11:02:37PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Right, I read your message too

Re: start-stop-daemon for user processes

2007-06-04 Thread Gerrit Pape
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 10:56:37PM -0600, Warren Turkal wrote: On Saturday 02 June 2007 21:45, Russ Allbery wrote: Take a look at runit. ?It's quite a bit like daemontools without the weird licensing. Runit doesn't appear to be useful for non-system tasks, like starting jackd and

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Alexander Reelsen
Hi On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 12:49 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: I'm not really picky about names and would be quite relaxed if the official homepage http://www.sturmbahnfahrer.com/ would not support the suspicion by using a font that at least supports the ill feeling. So even if I don't want

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 01:40:17AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: You're *not* giving up the right not to distribute any source, because you can always refrain from distributing the corresponding binaries and have no obligation to provide source. You're *not* giving up the right to

Re: Why not move Apt to a relational database

2007-06-04 Thread Warren Turkal
On Monday 04 June 2007 01:34:01 Neil Williams wrote: That could actually be quite difficult - how would you migrate from one to the other? Have the raw files and the sqlite cache on the mirrors. Give the local program the option to use either. Then you could use the raw files if the sqlite

Re: start-stop-daemon for user processes

2007-06-04 Thread Warren Turkal
On Sunday 03 June 2007 15:11:36 Vincent Danjean wrote: To be run by a user, you can look at launchtool (in the package with the same name). Description: Runs a command supervising its execution   Runs a user-supplied command supervising its execution in   many ways: [...] This looks like it

Re: What happened to popcon graphs?

2007-06-04 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-06-04 09:22]: On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 01:39:11 -0300 On 5/31/07, Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where should this bug be reported - against the popularity-contest package or against qa somewhere? Please file against qa since the popcon package does

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: If I'm in the Netherlands and distribute CDDL software to a Belgian citizen while violating the CDDL, the copyright holder has to come to the Netherlands, choice-of-venue (mostly) notwithstanding. From the summary:

Re: Why not move Apt to a relational database

2007-06-04 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:50:24 +0100 Roger Leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, that's why it is used in some embedded systems. Even so, it has no place in the rootfs for an embedded system, IMHO. I'd rather not have to repackage apt to remove this change. Why would it need to be on the

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: If I'm in the Netherlands and distribute CDDL software to a Belgian citizen while violating the CDDL, the copyright holder has to come to the Netherlands, choice-of-venue

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2007/6/4, Alexander Reelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 12:49 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: I'm not really picky about names and would be quite relaxed if the official homepage http://www.sturmbahnfahrer.com/ would not support the suspicion by using a font that at least

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Steffen Moeller
On Monday 04 June 2007 01:20:16 Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 12:49 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: ... This is only my (ill-informed) opinion - I am neither a German, nor a German lawyer :) I'm not really picky about

Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
[Bcc on [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that discussion happens on -devel] Hello, I've gone forward with the plan that I exposed in http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/ImprovedDpkgShlibdeps Please grab the code with: $ bzr get http://bzr.debian.org/private/hertzog/shlibdeps/ The repository contains two

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Steffen Moeller
On Monday 04 June 2007 10:38:45 Miriam Ruiz wrote: 2007/6/4, Alexander Reelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 12:49 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: I'm not really picky about names and would be quite relaxed if the official homepage http://www.sturmbahnfahrer.com/ would

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/6/4, Alexander Reelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 12:49 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: I'm not really picky about names and would be quite relaxed if the official homepage http://www.sturmbahnfahrer.com/

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Apart from that gothic fonts were forbidden by law in 1941 and replaced by latin type of lettering. So the feeling is really nothing more than a feeling in this case. I can't believe that... gothic fonts are forbidden in Germany by law!!!??? No. Between

Re: Is there a way to positively, uniquely identify which Debian release a program is running on?

2007-06-04 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 05:28:24PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Frankly, helping vendors of non-free software lies far below the ability to provide our users the option to do partial upgrades, apt-pinning, etc. How does /etc/debian_version of lsb_release hinder that? I'm not

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Michael Welle
Hi Miriam, Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2007/6/4, Alexander Reelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 12:49 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: I'm not really picky about names and would be quite relaxed if the official homepage http://www.sturmbahnfahrer.com/ would not

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 10:54:30AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Library maintainers who want to avoid any mistakes can use the -c option (for compare) which will make the compilation fail if the generated symbols file differ from the maintainer supplied file. In that case,

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Mike Hommey wrote: On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 10:54:30AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Library maintainers who want to avoid any mistakes can use the -c option (for compare) which will make the compilation fail if the generated symbols file differ from

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
The debian-legal checklist: On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 11:28:22AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: Posted by a non-DD, non-maintainer and non-applicant: Check. Anthony Towns writes: [...] And as far as the actual effects go, I'm not sure you're going to be any better off without that clause in

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 11:14:16AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: But even so, when you say things like I'm personally more concerned about licensing than the average developer and I [...] expect people who disagree with my analysis to actually engage the analysis with counter arguments, come

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:25:41AM -0700, Walter Landry wrote: Non-developer, non-maintainer, non-applicant: Check. Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a choice of venue clause though, it only stops some people from being willing to participate; just as potentially giving up patent

Re: Chao ban ve may bay

2007-06-04 Thread cuong
Cho minh hoi ve may bay tu Ha Noi di Narita Japan vao toi thu 6 tuan sau co gia bao nhieu, lieu co the dat ve tu bay gio ko? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Library maintainers are supposed to maintain the *.symbols file. For this, they have to create files debian/package.symbols.arch (dpkg-gensymbols will try too fallback to debian/symbols.arch, debian/package.symbols and debian/symbols). They are

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 06:49:54PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: If you're claiming you don't get to exercise your right to argue about jurisdiction is equivalent to you must pet a cat, then, IMO, you need to argue the same thing about you don't get to exercise your patent rights. You're aware

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 02:42:24AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 06:49:54PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: If you're claiming you don't get to exercise your right to argue about jurisdiction is equivalent to you must pet a cat, then, IMO, you need to argue the same thing

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 01:13:44AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: It is a freedom that I have by default; if I accept the CDDL I no longer have that freedom[1]. [...] [1] Technically, not the right to choose a venue, but the right to not be sued in a venue where I have no legal presence. Err,

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Loïc Minier wrote: On Mon, Jun 04, 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Library maintainers are supposed to maintain the *.symbols file. For this, they have to create files debian/package.symbols.arch (dpkg-gensymbols will try too fallback to debian/symbols.arch,

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote: While I agree on the burden, I don't think it's wise to rely on other tools to merge multiple informations in a single file which would then be given to dpkg-gensymbols. Hmm, how is this different from the way *.shlibs files are handled currently?

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 07:30:36PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Obviously (I hope), I don't consider you to be inexperienced in free software development, [...] To expand on that a bit more: IMHO, Debian is fundamentally about what its contributors want -- we're focussed on doing right by our

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 08:01:24PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 02:42:24AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 06:49:54PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: If you're claiming you don't get to exercise your right to argue about jurisdiction is equivalent

Re: libpkg / libupt / libept gets popcon support

2007-06-04 Thread Enrico Zini
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 09:57:55AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote: BTW, xapian full text index of package descriptions is coming :) Committed now! \o/ Ciao, Enrico -- GPG key: 1024D/797EBFAB 2000-12-05 Enrico Zini [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 04:07:30AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: What I care about is having a reasonable, widely understood definition of free software that meshes with the rest of the free software and open source community, that Debian can use to work out what software we'll distribute

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're going to ignore the court case, it doesn't matter to you, but if you ever plan on travelling to germany or doing business with people in germany (or live in some part of germany that isn't close enough to berlin to defend yourself there) it can

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Loïc Minier wrote: On Mon, Jun 04, 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote: While I agree on the burden, I don't think it's wise to rely on other tools to merge multiple informations in a single file which would then be given to dpkg-gensymbols. Hmm, how is this different from

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The debian-legal checklist: [...] In the example Don presented, of the Debian star maintainer removing some output from the Debian star package, that the star upstream claims constitutes a copyright notice, then there are the following options: [ rather

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
Michael Welle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The german term 'Sturmbahn' as in 'Sturmbahnfahrer' describes a trail were you have to vanquish some barriers to train your physical fitness. This is often used in military lingo. But I also know it from places, where you can train your dog. Do you

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 04 June 2007 14:20, Frank Küster wrote: Michael Welle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The german term 'Sturmbahn' as in 'Sturmbahnfahrer' describes a trail were you have to vanquish some barriers to train your physical fitness. This is often used in military lingo. But I also know it

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Michael Welle
Hi Frank, Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Welle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The german term 'Sturmbahn' as in 'Sturmbahnfahrer' describes a trail were you have to vanquish some barriers to train your physical fitness. This is often used in military lingo. But I also know it from

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Miriam Ruiz
Then, would simply sturmbahn be a suitable name for the package? Greetings, Miry 2007/6/4, Michael Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 02:20:46PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Michael Welle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The german term 'Sturmbahn' as in 'Sturmbahnfahrer' describes a

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Michael Poole
The troll checklist: Anthony Towns writes: The debian-legal checklist: On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 11:28:22AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: Posted by a non-DD, non-maintainer and non-applicant: Check. Ad hominem attack: Check. (For what it's worth, I am an upstream maintainer of one package in

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Michael Koch
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 02:20:46PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Michael Welle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The german term 'Sturmbahn' as in 'Sturmbahnfahrer' describes a trail were you have to vanquish some barriers to train your physical fitness. This is often used in military lingo. But I

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2007-06-04, Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --=_Part_840_15471732.1180961520043 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Then, would simply sturmbahn be a suitable name for the package?

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Michael Welle
Hi Miriam, Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then, would simply sturmbahn be a suitable name for the package? is this an yes/no question? I for myself with decent knowledge of german language and history have no big issues with the name. But I understand that some people have bad feelings

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 04:20:16PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 12:49 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: ... This is only my (ill-informed) opinion - I am neither a German, nor a German lawyer :) I'm not really

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Sune Vuorela [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 2007-06-04, Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --=_Part_840_15471732.1180961520043 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Then, would simply

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 02:52:00PM +0200, Miriam Ruiz a écrit : Then, would simply sturmbahn be a suitable name for the package? Greetings, Miry Dear Miriam, I think that the opinions expressed on -devel (I feel a bit sorry for the traffic) are diverse and redundant enough to

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 08:27:13AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: The troll checklist: Heh. Free advice: the best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them. Anthony Towns writes: The debian-legal checklist: On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 11:28:22AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: Posted by a non-DD,

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Michael Welle
Hi, Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then, would simply sturmbahn be a suitable name for the package? sorry, I forgot to mention that the name seems to sound much better without the term 'fahrer'. Michael -- biff4emacsen - A biff-like tool for (X)Emacs

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Monday 04 June 2007 10:38, Miriam Ruiz wrote: I can't believe that... gothic fonts are forbidden in Germany by law!!!??? They were merely deprecated, but not forbidden, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiqua-Fraktur_dispute - the german version of that page gives a bit more info.

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-06-03 14:18]: Le Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 02:30:43AM +0200, Miriam Ruiz a écrit : Package: wnpp * Package name: sturmbahnfahrer I have very bad feelings when I read the name of this game. It is a very bad taste play on the word sturmbahnführer,

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Michael Poole
Anthony Towns writes: Uh, dude, IANAL is a way of indicating that you may not actually have a clue what you're talking about because it's all just amateur opinions. Once upon a time -legal used to be littered with it; now days the concept that regular posters to -legal might be mistaken seems

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:53:11 +1000 Anthony Towns wrote: [...] To expand on that a bit more: IMHO, Debian is fundamentally about what its contributors want -- we're focussed on doing right by our users and the free software community, but ultimately, as far as Debian's concerned, the first and

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:01:24 +1000 Anthony Towns wrote: [...] What I care about is having a reasonable, widely understood definition of free software that meshes with the rest of the free software and open source community, that Debian can use to work out what software we'll distribute in

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 11:25 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Mike Hommey wrote: On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 10:54:30AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Library maintainers who want to avoid any mistakes can use the -c option (for compare) which will

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 12:27 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : 2/ dpkg-shlibdeps does follow executable - library - package - /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.{shlibs,symbols} to find out the dependencies. However with udebs the step library - package can't be done with dpkg --search (it's currently

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:30:36 +1000 Anthony Towns wrote: [...] And I mean, I know what a GR is for, why are you telling me? It's still not a *good solution* for deciding these things; it's a last resort, and the only other options we currently have a ftpmaster decides and it's obvious to pretty

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 10:54 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : Creating a first version of the symbols file is not difficult either. For the sake of example, here's how I did with the libc6 package. I included the etch package first so that I have history of symbols starting from etch. $

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Monday 04 June 2007 14.20:46 Frank Küster wrote: Michael Welle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The german term 'Sturmbahn' as in 'Sturmbahnfahrer' describes a trail were you have to vanquish some barriers to train your physical fitness. [...] [1] and I'm german, not swiss as my sig might

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 21:13 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : We could create a .symbols-udeb however... we just need to scan the udeb during build and put the resulting symbols file in the main library. That wouldn't be too difficult to do. We can probably keep this as extension for the

Re: Touching a file in another package

2007-06-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 03 juin 2007 à 21:34 +0200, Bastian Blank a écrit : You can provide a proper interface to show that the list needs to be updated. A file in /var/lib/gnomevfs for example. In which case checking the timestamp of /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules would be enough. It will trigger

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 12:27 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : 2/ dpkg-shlibdeps does follow executable - library - package - /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.{shlibs,symbols} to find out the dependencies. However with udebs the step library - package

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 10:54 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : Creating a first version of the symbols file is not difficult either. For the sake of example, here's how I did with the libc6 package. I included the etch package first so that I

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Izak Burger
On 6/4/07, Adrian von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just some trivia since we're speaking about .ch ... it's Kampfbahn here. Never heard the combination with Fahrer, though. (I'm doing military service, but not on troops where the Kampfbahn is our business) In Afrikaans (descendant of Dutch)

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Izak Burger may or may not have written... [snip] But no-one said english was logic :-) It isn't. It's not logical either. :-) What with unkempt (no such word as kempt though) and disheveled (no such word as sheveled) :-) You mean dishevelled, unless you're using American

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
I did this 2 days ago and got an answer. To quote from his mail: Uh... I thought Sturmbahn was german for a military training course, or stormbaan as we call it in Holland. Turns out it is 'bann', and the word does not exists in german. I speak German, but probably not as good as I

Re: Is there a way to positively, uniquely identify which Debian release a program is running on?

2007-06-04 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 11:16:08PM +0200, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: Think about Enterprise (non-free) software like Oracle, HP Openview, Tivoli, Remedy... Do you expect vendors of this software to understand^Wimplement package management based dependencies for *all* Linux

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 21:29 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : Again, this doesn't take into account existing symbols that change their ABI across versions. I won't insist too much, as I have already explained at large how heavy a burden it puts on the maintainer's shoulders. I

License discussions in Debian (was: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta)

2007-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See, given that as an ftpmaster I'm one of the folks who actually implements the policy on what's accepted into main or not, it's not my loss at all. I think that Debian would very much benefit if there was a place (call it [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever)

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
Michael Welle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then, would simply sturmbahn be a suitable name for the package? sorry, I forgot to mention that the name seems to sound much better without the term 'fahrer'. Except that it totally leaves out the

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Izak Burger
On 6/4/07, Darren Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean dishevelled, unless you're using American English. I have the wrong dictionary installed in my mail client... we South Africans actually use british english rather than American english. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: License discussions in Debian (was: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta)

2007-06-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 23:08 +0200, Frank Küster a écrit : I think that Debian would very much benefit if there was a place (call it [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever) where our policy with regard to individual software's licenes could be discussed with the input of those who actually set this

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Mon, 2007-06-04 at 21:33 +0200, Izak Burger wrote: [...] But no-one said english was logic :-) What with unkempt (no such word as kempt though) I didn't think there was, but http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/kempt?view=uk disagrees ;) Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Why not move Apt to a relational database

2007-06-04 Thread Roger Leigh
Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:50:24 +0100 Roger Leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, that's why it is used in some embedded systems. Even so, it has no place in the rootfs for an embedded system, IMHO. I'd rather not have to repackage apt to remove this

Bug#427558: ITP: fenix0.92 -- development environment for making 2D games

2007-06-04 Thread Miriam Ruiz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: fenix0.92 Version : 0.92a Upstream Author : Fenix Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://fenix.divsite.net/ * URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/fenix * License

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 10:29:07PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 21:29 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : Again, this doesn't take into account existing symbols that change their ABI across versions. I won't insist too much, as I have already explained at large how

Re: Why not move Apt to a relational database

2007-06-04 Thread Warren Turkal
On Monday 04 June 2007 15:23:54 Roger Leigh wrote: Sorry, but I fail to see the connection between busybox and sqlite. If enabled, sqlite would be part of dpkg, probably either statically linked or dynamically loaded.  I would think static, for safety. Doesn't Busybox include an implementation

checklib... (Re: checklib)

2007-06-04 Thread Oleg Verych
On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 04:24:20PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: [] - `objdump' can handle one file at time (and not buggy). I don't understand that comment. ,[ Manual page objdump(1) ] | SYNOPSIS |objdump [-a|--archive-headers] SNIP objfile... | DESCRIPTION |

i386 33meg boot iso

2007-06-04 Thread rdelo
To: All Wow!!! I have tried to install debian 4 or 5 times and hungup on vidio drivers or mem address for the drivers. I downloaded the 33 meg. i386 boot iso on 6/4/07 daily build #2 It whent from boot to a desktop system in 35-40 minutes with only input at the prompts. If you need any

Re: Why not move Apt to a relational database

2007-06-04 Thread Daniel Burrows
I'm sorry I don't have more time to comment on this. On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 10:55:01AM +0100, Justin Emmanuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Based on a relational database it will run faster, also there should be some more data stored about the programs to facilitate system restoring.

Accepted wacom-tools 0.7.7.10-2 (source amd64)

2007-06-04 Thread Ron Lee
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:09:29 +0930 Source: wacom-tools Binary: xserver-xorg-input-wacom wacom-tools wacom-kernel-source Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.7.7.10-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Ron Lee [EMAIL

Accepted empathy 0.6-1 (source i386)

2007-06-04 Thread Sjoerd Simons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:27:47 +0200 Source: empathy Binary: empathy Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.6-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Telepathy Maintaince Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Sjoerd Simons [EMAIL

Accepted wacom-tools 0.7.7.10-3 (source amd64)

2007-06-04 Thread Ron Lee
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:15:35 +0930 Source: wacom-tools Binary: xserver-xorg-input-wacom wacom-tools wacom-kernel-source Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.7.7.10-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Ron Lee [EMAIL

Accepted sobby 0.4.3-1 (source i386)

2007-06-04 Thread Philipp Kern
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:31:38 +0200 Source: sobby Binary: sobby Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.4.3-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Philipp Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Philipp Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted dnprogs 2.39 (source i386 all)

2007-06-04 Thread Patrick Caulfield
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:58:58 +0100 Source: dnprogs Binary: libdnet libdnet-dev dnet-common dnet-progs Architecture: source i386 all Version: 2.39 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Patrick Caulfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted pidgin-librvp 0.9.6-1 (source amd64)

2007-06-04 Thread Devin Carraway
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 01:43:44 -0700 Source: pidgin-librvp Binary: pidgin-librvp Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.9.6-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Devin Carraway [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Devin Carraway

Accepted apt-proxy 1.9.36 (source all)

2007-06-04 Thread Chris Halls
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:06:08 +0100 Source: apt-proxy Binary: apt-proxy Architecture: source all Version: 1.9.36 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Chris Halls [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Chris Halls [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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