Hi folks,
Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE
is set. That happens if your rules script uses something like
tar -c modules | bzip2 -9 omfs.tar.bz2
for example. If $TAPE is set, then tar writes to $TAPE instead
of stdout (possibly corrupting the tape you had
Hi Harald!
You wrote:
I am sure you agree that this is a fatal failure in the package.
It should be
tar cf - modules | bzip2 -9 omfs.tar.bz2
But most people simply don't know that their rules file corrupts
tapes. First thing would be to detect these packages. This could
be done
* Thanasis Kinias [Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:49:20 -0700]:
This package is in stable but has been removed from testing and unstable
because the upstream developer and previous maintainer have abandoned
it.
And has this situation changed? In the home page of the project I don't
see any new release
On Tuesday 28 August 2007 06:46:47 Bruce Sass wrote:
On Mon August 27 2007 05:33:05 pm Romain Beauxis wrote:
Le Tuesday 28 August 2007 00:17:40 Bruce Sass, vous avez écrit :
On Mon August 27 2007 04:05:24 pm Pierre Habouzit wrote:
And
it's no way we will accept the statically linked
Michael Banck wrote:
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 02:57:07AM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
It is not free software. I had a quick peek at the license in the .deb
available from Opera's website, and it would not seem that they allow
other parties to distribute the software, therefore Debian cannot do
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Version : 5.4.1
Upstream Authors : Victor Shoup [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Description : Numbery Theory Library
This is a high-performance, portable C++
I would like and need to learn packaging some software for Debian, and
something already packaged does seem like a good place to start. The
question there is, can it go into Debian?
you think about creating your own Debian derivative and don't know how
to package software for it? That won't
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:08:12AM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote:
Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE
is set.
The manpage of tar does not mention the special handling of a
environment variable named TAPE. Nor does tar --help.
Bastian
--
Beam me up, Scotty!
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To
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Version : 0.9.95
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Description : Software system for algebraic geometry
On 8/28/07, Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:08:12AM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote:
Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE
is set.
The manpage of tar does not mention the special handling of a
environment variable named TAPE. Nor does
Hi Bas,
You could write 'tar cfz file.tgz files' instead of 'tar -c -f file.tgz -z
files'.
Seems that looking for a missing '-f' or 'f' would be pretty error-prone and
much more difficult than a simple test ! -s watchdog.tar after building
the package.
My point is: We need some central quality
On Tuesday 28 August 2007 09:36, Bas Zoetekouw wrote:
You wrote:
But most people simply don't know that their rules file corrupts
tapes. First thing would be to detect these packages. This could
be done in the autobuild procedure done on the debian hosts, e.g.
by setting $TAPE to point to
Hi,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
I did not specify Opera as an example. Opera does perform much
better on older hardware than Iceweasel.
I agree with you, but I think Iceweasel can be alright. I use a Pentium
4 M.
Using its frequency scaling, I often use 200 Mhz frequency. All the
sites I
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Com 12 anos de mercado, focada nas mais modernas tecnologias de informática e
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I demand that Bastian Blank may or may not have written...
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:08:12AM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote:
Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE is set.
The manpage of tar does not mention the special handling of a environment
variable named TAPE. Nor
On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 03:28:55PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Correct, I am not a Debian developer. I have considered it several times
but have been put off by the amount of documentation. I have to be able to
jump in and do something or I lose interest.
Don't we all?
This might be a
On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 11:12:33PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The same
exact thing could be said of Apache, MySQL, PostgreSQL, and any of a
number of other packages which received tremendous testing upstream.
None of them have empty pages on
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 04:44:32PM +0100, Darren Salt wrote:
Perhaps dpkg-buildpackage should unset TAPE...?
Why should we work around any possibly developer misconfiguration? Or
is there a valid use-case for setting $TAPE these days which makes it
impossible for the developer to unset it
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 04:44:32PM +0100, Darren Salt wrote:
I demand that Bastian Blank may or may not have written...
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:08:12AM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote:
Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE is set.
The manpage of tar does not mention
Quoting Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
It's painfully clear that you don't understand how Debian works.
Yes, that is why I am asking these questions. Thanks to all who have
responded. The documentation I have found about the different versions
and process is somewhat vague.
Everything
Quoting Bernd Zeimetz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I would like and need to learn packaging some software for Debian, and
something already packaged does seem like a good place to start. The
question there is, can it go into Debian?
you think about creating your own Debian derivative and don't know
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Upstream Author : Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* License : GPL2+
On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 03:13:59PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are also free to properly package it yourself and find a sponsor to
upload it for you (assuming you are not already a Debian Developer
yourself, which I am guessing you are not).
I do not see the need to do anything other
Bastian Blank wrote:
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 04:44:32PM +0100, Darren Salt wrote:
I demand that Bastian Blank may or may not have written...
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:08:12AM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote:
Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE is set.
The
Quoting Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Ok, so just because it installs and works does not mean everything is
correct. Not sure where the flaw is there, maybe it should be
impossible to package something incorrectly ;)
Thanks, can someone give me a few ideas of some things I can do
On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 12:04:51PM +0200, A Mennucc wrote:
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Stefano Zacchiroli ha scritto:
In an attempt to prevent drift to a well-known counter argument:
DEBIAN/md5sums (used by debsums) are *not* intended as a mean to counter
security
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:39:47AM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
I assume you mean to make the documentation match the behaivour.
At least.
Rememer it is a Tape ARchival program.
| -f, --file [HOSTNAME:]F
| use archive file or device F (default -, meaning stdin/stdout)
The file is
Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The manpage of tar does not mention the special handling of a
environment variable named TAPE. Nor does tar --help.
But, unsurprisingly, the tar manual does (under the --file option).
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Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE is set.
Perhaps dpkg-buildpackage should unset TAPE...?
pbuilder and other tools already do that when chrooting? Tar's $TAPE
behaviour fails the principle of least suprise. Tar developers
should reconsider the usability
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you can use
$ reportbug --kudos PACKAGE
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#include hallo.h
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mon, Aug 27 2007, 03:28:55PM]:
Correct, I am not a Debian developer. I have considered it several times
but have been put off by the amount of documentation. I have to be able to
jump in and do something or I lose interest.
Doing boring work is usually
On 28/08/07 at 13:49 +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
On Tuesday 28 August 2007 09:36, Bas Zoetekouw wrote:
You wrote:
But most people simply don't know that their rules file corrupts
tapes. First thing would be to detect these packages. This could
be done in the autobuild procedure done
* Riku Voipio [Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:15:35 +0300]:
That's why we tell people to use pbuilder.
FWIW, debuild alone also sanitizes the environment.
Cheers,
--
Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es
Debian Developer adeodato at
Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Riku Voipio [Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:15:35 +0300]:
That's why we tell people to use pbuilder.
FWIW, debuild alone also sanitizes the environment.
I don't have any time to work on this, but it occurred to me reading this
that it might be useful for QA
Quoting Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
#include hallo.h
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mon, Aug 27 2007, 03:28:55PM]:
Correct, I am not a Debian developer. I have considered it several times
but have been put off by the amount of documentation. I have to be able to
jump in and do something or I lose
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 12:22:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
I don't have any time to work on this, but it occurred to me reading this
that it might be useful for QA purposes to have a version of debuild that
*unsanitizes* the environment to test robustness. An evil-debuild that
sets every
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 07:24:54PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You don't give a toddler a steak, you give him something he can swallow.
Taking a look at all of the abandoned packages there are a lot of
developers needed here. I believe a lot of people like me would assist if
they could
Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 12:22:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
I don't have any time to work on this, but it occurred to me reading
this that it might be useful for QA purposes to have a version of
debuild that *unsanitizes* the environment to test
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 03:24:54PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I was also being polite. The developer community is not
exactly friendly to newcomers in general either. some persons are,
but those people tend to have less to say then the ones who are
not.
Not to defend some of the
* Bastian Blank:
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:39:47AM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
I assume you mean to make the documentation match the behaivour.
At least.
Rememer it is a Tape ARchival program.
| -f, --file [HOSTNAME:]F
| use archive file or device F (default -, meaning
Quoting Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
We like to give some directions to people that don't claim to know
everything and criticize everything without thinking or worse, reading
what people answer. You shoot mails faster than you read, and it's
obvious reading you.
Actually, I read faster
#include hallo.h
* Harald Dunkel [Tue, Aug 28 2007, 01:27:22PM]:
Hi Bas,
You could write 'tar cfz file.tgz files' instead of 'tar -c -f file.tgz -z
files'.
No, because the outcome is not the same. It uses pure gzip and usually
people want more gzip (or bzip2) options when using it in a pipe,
Quoting The Fungi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Further, Debian
embraces freedom above all else, and one of the commonly-recognized
freedoms observed is the freedom to speak one's mind; thus
potentially abrasive conversation becomes not only possible, but
somewhat protected (if productive and on-topic, at
Opera bugs are reported much less than most other widely used browsers,
and Opera is widely used.
So you have access to opera's internal bugtracker, or did you just use
$RANDOM to find an appropriate number?
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 08:20:00PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your accusations are completely unfounded. This is a prime example of
what I am referring to. Thank you.
[...]
I understand that one does not become a developer in a day. Please
explain how you feel I have been harassing
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:15:35 +0300, Riku Voipio [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE is
set.
Perhaps dpkg-buildpackage should unset TAPE...?
pbuilder and other tools already do that when chrooting? Tar's $TAPE
behaviour fails the
Hi Eduard,
Eduard Bloch wrote:
verify his/her own package. But in this case a central check would be cheap
and easy to implement. Almost zero effort compared to the damage done by
corrupting tapes.
Oh, come on. People who put $TAPE into the default environment may also
link /dev/null to
Quoting Bernd Zeimetz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Opera bugs are reported much less than most other widely used browsers,
and Opera is widely used.
So you have access to opera's internal bugtracker, or did you just use
$RANDOM to find an appropriate number?
I am using generally available
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:43:00 +0200, Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Or we get source-only uploads rolling and always build in a controlled
environment.
That only helps the binary packages we distribute -- leaving our
source packages full of holes masked by our sterile build
For all of those who are still responding who have apparently not
read all of the postings first, It has been pointed out and I have
realized that I was in error regarding what was neccessary to include
software packaged by commercial companies. This occurred about 16
hours ago so that
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 04:20:00PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I did not say I was too lazy to read the docmentation.
You may not have said it, but you appear to be demonstrating it.
There is too
much for a person who has no clue where to begin and it is difficult
to digest without
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Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña ha scritto:
On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 12:04:51PM +0200, A Mennucc wrote:
I think I already pointed people interested in this to #268658.
If ftpmasters where given the tools to implement this seamlessly then you
could
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:28:29 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And the best place to find this is on the debian-mentors list, where
first-time package maintainers are expected. The debian-devel list
I have been there before, they were not overly helpful then. The
responses I received
Harald Dunkel wrote:
Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE
is set. That happens if your rules script uses something like
tar -c modules | bzip2 -9 omfs.tar.bz2
for example. If $TAPE is set, then tar writes to $TAPE instead
of stdout (possibly corrupting the
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 11:01:06PM +0200, A Mennucc wrote:
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña ha scritto:
On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 12:04:51PM +0200, A Mennucc wrote:
I think I already pointed people interested in this to #268658.
If ftpmasters where given the tools to implement this seamlessly
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This thread has concentrated on fixing packages, but I would appreciate
a little insight into why someone might set TAPE in their environment by
default. Surely if you set it by default, you must realse that you're
asking any such invocation of tar to write
That's why we tell people to use pbuilder.
I think I disagree with the reason given for this advice. What
is the end goal that we are trying to achieve? Is it to upload binary
packages that build despite leaving flaws i the build process? Always
building in pbuilder masks errors
also sprach A Mennucc [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007.08.28.1950 +0200]:
you can use
$ reportbug --kudos PACKAGE
… the results of which are not publicly visible. I guess the OP
wanted exactly that.
--
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: :' : proud Debian developer, author, administrator,
Riku Voipio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why should we force 7000+ source packages clean their environment when
debuild/pbuilder/sbuild etc will do that anyway? Worse, it's not even
trivial to clean environment in a Makefile.
In this particular case, there's no need to clean the environment.
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 06:54:23PM +0100, Matthew Woodcraft wrote:
Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The manpage of tar does not mention the special handling of a
environment variable named TAPE. Nor does tar --help.
But, unsurprisingly, the tar manual does (under the --file option).
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This thread has concentrated on fixing packages, but I would
appreciate a little insight into why someone might set TAPE in their
environment by default. Surely if you set it by default, you must
realse that you're asking any such invocation of tar to write
Hello!
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:05:30 +0200, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sat, Aug 25, 2007 at 07:11:46PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
I have no i386 machines capable of building packages on unstable -
I build on amd64 and powerpc, uploading only from amd64.
Are you not familiar with the process of
On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 12:42:32AM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote:
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 06:54:23PM +0100, Matthew Woodcraft wrote:
Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The manpage of tar does not mention the special handling of a
environment variable named TAPE. Nor does tar
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 05:26:09PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
This thread has concentrated on fixing packages, but I would appreciate
a little insight into why someone might set TAPE in their environment by
default. Surely if you set it by default, you must realse that you're
asking any such
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