On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:21:52AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
5. Cheerfully ignore any purists complaining that debian/rules clean does
not restore whatever crap was there upstream.
I generally don't bother with these unless I'm patching the autotools
source files
Hi,
just as a reminder:
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net (16/03/2011):
OK. I think this is the only known discrepancy between the two
resolvers. Given that we now routinely build using minimal clean
(cloned) chroots, they will behave identically in practice because
AFAICT: only
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote:
Would you consider the existence of autotools autogenerated files inside
an upstream source a valid reason to rebuild upstream source in a
get-orig-source target?
I would consider autotools generated files (Makefile.in,
On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 16:36 +, Ian Jackson wrote:
Then, you need a way to patch them. There is lots of software where
you need to patch configure.ac and/or Makefile.am
That's fine, you patch the input, rerun the autofoobar stuff, and then
build the source package with diff. If you're
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Sean Finney wrote:
If you do it with the patch system (quilt or even plain dpkg),
before building the package source, you cannot ensure that files are
patched in the right order.
What do you mean in the right order ?
autofoo stuff examines timestamps on
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 03:32:05PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote:
Would you consider the existence of autotools autogenerated files inside
an upstream source a valid reason to rebuild upstream source in a
get-orig-source
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote:
Sorry, I was not precise. I also regard Makefile.in and configure (and
files which are used by configure to run properly) as useful in an
upstream tarball. However, files like config.log etc. should be cleaned
up.
Am 17.03.2011 08:51, schrieb Sean Finney:
So Makefile rules can then re-run auto* tools at build time and you
lost the benefit you want to have.
Makefile rules should not rerun auto* stuff at build time.
they will if AM_MAINTAINER_MODE is being used, in some cases.
It's really the other
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 08:31:13AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Hi,
just as a reminder:
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net (16/03/2011):
OK. I think this is the only known discrepancy between the two
resolvers. Given that we now routinely build using minimal clean
(cloned) chroots,
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 04:09:25PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
Agreed. That would usually not be something that would cause enough
problems for a new tar.gz to be warranted though.
I just accept your opinion that repackaging is not warranted and I did
not in the past - but I was never really sure
On to, 2011-03-17 at 08:32 +, Roger Leigh wrote:
You can get the same effect with file chroots (tarball unpack). It's
not that slow providing your tarball is really minimal, and it works
on all architectures. I used this for the whole archive rebuild after
LVM snapshots oopsed and then
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote:
I just accept your opinion that repackaging is not warranted and I did
not in the past - but I was never really sure whether this is really
reasonable. I'm somehow missing *clear* rules when to rebuild the orig
tarball
On Tue, March 15, 2011 21:40, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
The new implementation is currently only used for suites that are not
marked as untouchable. Oldstable and stable will switch during the next
point release.
Have you (or anyone else) verified that any tools in {old,}stable
parsing contents
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 04:40:29PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
My rule is: when there is something non-free or when the amount of
useless stuff is huge. For example I would repack a tarball with a
small program and 20Mb of embedded code copies of all its dependencies
to remove the deps.
What
On to, 2011-03-17 at 10:12 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 04:40:29PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
My rule is: when there is something non-free or when the amount of
useless stuff is huge. For example I would repack a tarball with a
small program and 20Mb of embedded code
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 09:17:27AM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
My rule is: when there is something non-free or when the amount of
useless stuff is huge. For example I would repack a tarball with a
small program and 20Mb of embedded code copies of all its dependencies
to remove the
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote:
The problem is that the regenerated files are not identical to the
original files and you simply get a diff which finally makes different
Debian source packages depending how often you start the build process.
You won't
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:12:35 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 04:40:29PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
Eh? Rebuilding twice in a row would remove the files, regenerate them,
remove them, regenerate them. I can't see how the second regeneration
would fail if the first one
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 09:17:05AM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
Am 17.03.2011 08:51, schrieb Sean Finney:
So Makefile rules can then re-run auto* tools at build time and you
lost the benefit you want to have.
Makefile rules should not rerun auto* stuff at build time.
they will if
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:30:48AM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote:
The problem is that the regenerated files are not identical to the
original files and you simply get a diff which finally makes different
Debian source packages depending how often you start the build process.
Err, no. If
Sean Finney writes (Re: Best practice for cleaning autotools-generated
files?):
On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 16:36 +, Ian Jackson wrote:
That's fine, you patch the input, rerun the autofoobar stuff, and then
build the source package with diff. If you're using a patch queue
system, or a vcs,
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Paul Wise wrote:
Does your autogen.sh script ever become anything more than calling
autoreconf with some specific options?
Yes. I think it was Cyrus IMAP that required -I in places where
autoreconf doesn't reach, so I called each tool separately. Which is
obviously a
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 04:09:25PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
Agreed. That would usually not be something that would cause enough
problems for a new tar.gz to be warranted though.
I just accept your opinion that repackaging is not warranted and I did
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Andreas Tille wrote:
Assume please the following:
1. Unpack upstream source, copy debian/ dir into it
2. make -f debian/rules clean
You should have looked for a get-orig-sources target, first. You just
skipped any orig source conditioning the maintainer had to do.
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Sean Finney wrote:
autofoo stuff examines timestamps on various files, so it's possible
that if configure gets patched before configure.ac, and
AM_MAINTAINER_MODE is set to a specific value, that ./configure ends up
wanting to regenerate ./configure at build time. double
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Pierre Chifflier pol...@debian.org
* Package name: sagan-rules
Version : 10212010-r1
Upstream Author : Champ Clark III ch...@softwink.com
* URL : http://sagan.softwink.com/
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:01:44AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Andreas Tille wrote:
Assume please the following:
1. Unpack upstream source, copy debian/ dir into it
2. make -f debian/rules clean
You should have looked for a get-orig-sources
Adam Borowski writes (Re: Best practice for cleaning autotools-generated
files?):
Ie, consistently with all regular commands in a makefile: if a source file
has been modified, everything that is generated from that source needs to be
rebuilt.
Which works just fine if timestamps haven't been
]] Ian Jackson
Hi,
| Adam Borowski writes (Re: Best practice for cleaning autotools-generated
files?):
| Ie, consistently with all regular commands in a makefile: if a source file
| has been modified, everything that is generated from that source needs to be
| rebuilt.
|
| Which works
[Bernhard R. Link]
It usually also make sense to think twice before patching build
systems. Especially automake is very good in allowing many things
changed without having to patch something. (There are some cases
where patches are necessary, but there are also enough cases where
patching
Peter Samuelson writes (Re: Best practice for cleaning autotools-generated
files?):
Better to take on this risk, such as it is, by building from source
every time. It's the only way to know we _can_. And fix whatever
issues come up. Even though it's not actually spelled out in the DFSG,
I
* Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org [110317 19:12]:
If there _is_ some risk or perception of risk, that re-auto-tooling a
package might break it, then we're not really providing the FSF's
freedom 1. We're then saying This is free software; downstream users
can modify the .c files, you can modify
Tollef Fog Heen writes (Re: Best practice for cleaning autotools-generated
files?):
| Adam Borowski writes (Re: Best practice for cleaning autotools-generated
files?):
| No, it doesn't work if the auto* on the system is not compatible with
| the auto* in the package, which happens very
reassign nfs-common
thanks
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 15:10 +0100, Christian Andretzky wrote:
I've really no idea, which package(s) are responsible for this problem.
Reassigning to nfs-common because that seems to be the most likely
candidate (assuming autofs is used to mount nfs filesystems).
In
Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com writes:
ext Chow Loong Jin hyper...@ubuntu.com writes:
Could we somehow avoid using sync()? sync() syncs all mounted filesystems,
which
isn't exactly very friendly when you have a few slow-syncing filesystems like
btrfs (or even NFS) mounted.
Hmm,
Adrian von Bidder avbid...@fortytwo.ch writes:
On Wednesday 02 March 2011 17.02:11 Marius Vollmer wrote:
- Instead, we move all packages that are to be unpacked into
half-installed / reinstreq before touching the first one, and put a
big sync() right before carefully writing
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org:
reassign 618473 nfs-common
Bug #618473 [general] general: Problems to handle NIS group names
Bug reassigned from package 'general' to 'nfs-common'.
thanks
Stopping processing here.
Please contact me if you need assistance.
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618473:
Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes:
I've been hearing a bit lately about removing dependencies that are no
longer needed for stable upgrade paths. The most common reason seems
that this will make apt need less memory[1].
So then, someone must have measured the memory use. Unless this is a
Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org writes:
* Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de [110316 01:24]:
I disagree. If non-free has a superior implementation of a package and
the user has non-free configured then it should prefer the non-free
package.
Superiority is always a question of what
Hello Shachar Shemesh,
Am 2011-03-13 19:54:01, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
If I set reply-to to myself, the mail won't go to the list. If I
set it to the list, it won't go to me. Either way, the desired
effect isn't achieved.
Also, reply-to is the wrong tool for this job (this is NOT
Hello Carsten Hey,
Am 2011-03-12 10:50:03, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
If a message I reply to contains a Mail-Followup-To: set, I use it. If
not, I guess if the person I reply to wants to receive a reply. To
prevent me to Cc: you, you need to explicitly set Mail-Followup-To: to
the
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
Goswin von Brederlow writes (Transitional packages with conffiles):
Looking into the cause we discovered that the problem is that
dhcp3-client is now a transitional package that pulls in
isc-dhcp-client. The new package expects its config
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
The design of autoconf is predicated on the idea that people who are
building the package are given a portable configure as part of the
source package, so there is no need to have good compatibility between
configure.in and various versions
Hello Andrei Popescu and Listmasters,
it would be nice, if lists.debian.org could implement an autoresponder
for peoles sending messages to lists without being subscribed.
This message should only send one time per year and contain usefull
links based on the mailinglist, the FAQ and the
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:29:57PM +, Marcin Owsiany wrote:
How are others doing it?
Thanks for all the responses (I never expected to start such a big
discussion - it must have been a while since I last read debian-devel),
and especially for the pointer to dh-autoreconf. This looks like
On Thursday 17 March 2011 18:32:43 Michelle Konzack wrote:
Hello Andrei Popescu and Listmasters,
it would be nice, if lists.debian.org could implement an autoresponder
for peoles sending messages to lists without being subscribed.
This message should only send one time per year and
Am 2011-03-17 19:15:45, schrieb Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer:
Just as a bit of extra information, we have done this (although manually) in
a
couple of very used lists with nice success (people getting subscribed and
sometimes becoming real active).
Of course, not everyone will do
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote:
On a machine with lots of RAM (== disk cache...) and high I/O load, you
don't want to do a (global!) sync(). This can totally kill the machine
for 20min or more and is a big no go.
-- vbi
Then don't use the option.
On Thursday 17 March 2011 20:02:31 Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2011-03-17 19:15:45, schrieb Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer:
Just as a bit of extra information, we have done this (although manually)
in a couple of very used lists with nice success (people getting
subscribed and sometimes
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au wrote:
Then don't use the option. It should definetly be an option:
It's a pity that there is no kernel support for synching one filesystem (or
maybe a few filesystems).
That'd be only a partial work around. Even with a
Hello Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer,
Am 2011-03-17 20:27:57, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
On Thursday 17 March 2011 20:02:31 Michelle Konzack wrote:
But I do not mean Auto-Subscribe.
Neither me, sorry for not being clear. I meant that people tend to subscribe
on recibing such
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Russell Coker wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote:
On a machine with lots of RAM (== disk cache...) and high I/O load, you
don't want to do a (global!) sync(). This can totally kill the machine
for 20min or more and is a big no
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